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I'm reading more about toxic bile theory and it makes sense. I have a couple questions regarding it though and how it compares with Ray Peat.
Looking at the diet of both diets and lifestyles, there are some noticeable differences, which leaves me confused as to which to follow. Ray puts emphasis on nutrient dense foods like liver, oysters, eggs, dairy, mushrooms etc.... The emphasis of his diet and lifestyle ideas and philosophies is to maximize energy production, and the central keystone to the way of living revolves around improving thyroid function.
Where as the "Toxic Bile Theory" diet revolves around eating and living in a way to minimize toxins and to facilitate liver detoxification. The liver processes everything that goes into your body, it performs a very extensive job, and both health philosophies agree that the environment is toxic, and the food supply is toxic, and this exposure to toxicity causes our organs to function sub-optimally, and over time, as the organs continue to get worse, and the overall toxin exposure and stress exposure go up over time with age, this causes us to degrade as organisms much quicker... leading to health problems at a young age, and even worse health problems as we continue to age.
(***DISCLAIMER***I am still new to the toxic bile theory so I don't understand it fully, and hence why I am writing this up, to voice my thoughts and to ask questions.)
The methods of solving health issues differ between these two ideologies. Ray focuses on optimizing the thyroid, minimizing toxin exposure and reducing stress. The idea is that thyroid is the keystone of our organ systems? A sub optimal thyroid causes liver issues, gut issues, kidney issues... etc... But the main emphasis is the thyroid. Whereas the TBT is putting emphasis on the liver. I've heard about the book by Broda Barnes being thrown around by Danny and others on this forum, "Hope for Hypoglycemia", but I have not read it so I don't understand the idea behind it much. If someone could chime in here and give a rough summary, that would be great. But Ray understood the importance of the liver, but he put emphasis on the thyroid. So what about in a situation where someone's liver is in bad shape... then what? The healing can't take place as effectively or as quickly... Could thyroid supplementation + a low vit A diet/TBT diet be the combo needed? Putting emphasis on both the liver and the thyroid at the same time.
The thing that is conflicting is that TBT says that the liver is storing too much toxins and vitamins and hormones etc.... since it's overworked and can't process hormones, vitamins etc... and so, it just stores it. Causing the liver to become worse, and we all know how important the liver is, and it's role in the gut, liver, thyroid trio. This would also mean, that it stores hormones such as thyroid, progesterone etc... and vitamins like vit A etc... TBT doesn't really advocate thyroid supplementation or things like progesterone supplementation.
Just wondering what other differences there are, and what type of diet and lifestyle would work better for my case... I think my main issue is the liver. As I had issues converting with thyroid hormone conversion and had high rt3 as a result. I also look back and at the time when my skin started turning a yellower tone, is when my health issues started happening. So the liver is really important for my case.
Looking at the diet of both diets and lifestyles, there are some noticeable differences, which leaves me confused as to which to follow. Ray puts emphasis on nutrient dense foods like liver, oysters, eggs, dairy, mushrooms etc.... The emphasis of his diet and lifestyle ideas and philosophies is to maximize energy production, and the central keystone to the way of living revolves around improving thyroid function.
Where as the "Toxic Bile Theory" diet revolves around eating and living in a way to minimize toxins and to facilitate liver detoxification. The liver processes everything that goes into your body, it performs a very extensive job, and both health philosophies agree that the environment is toxic, and the food supply is toxic, and this exposure to toxicity causes our organs to function sub-optimally, and over time, as the organs continue to get worse, and the overall toxin exposure and stress exposure go up over time with age, this causes us to degrade as organisms much quicker... leading to health problems at a young age, and even worse health problems as we continue to age.
(***DISCLAIMER***I am still new to the toxic bile theory so I don't understand it fully, and hence why I am writing this up, to voice my thoughts and to ask questions.)
The methods of solving health issues differ between these two ideologies. Ray focuses on optimizing the thyroid, minimizing toxin exposure and reducing stress. The idea is that thyroid is the keystone of our organ systems? A sub optimal thyroid causes liver issues, gut issues, kidney issues... etc... But the main emphasis is the thyroid. Whereas the TBT is putting emphasis on the liver. I've heard about the book by Broda Barnes being thrown around by Danny and others on this forum, "Hope for Hypoglycemia", but I have not read it so I don't understand the idea behind it much. If someone could chime in here and give a rough summary, that would be great. But Ray understood the importance of the liver, but he put emphasis on the thyroid. So what about in a situation where someone's liver is in bad shape... then what? The healing can't take place as effectively or as quickly... Could thyroid supplementation + a low vit A diet/TBT diet be the combo needed? Putting emphasis on both the liver and the thyroid at the same time.
The thing that is conflicting is that TBT says that the liver is storing too much toxins and vitamins and hormones etc.... since it's overworked and can't process hormones, vitamins etc... and so, it just stores it. Causing the liver to become worse, and we all know how important the liver is, and it's role in the gut, liver, thyroid trio. This would also mean, that it stores hormones such as thyroid, progesterone etc... and vitamins like vit A etc... TBT doesn't really advocate thyroid supplementation or things like progesterone supplementation.
Just wondering what other differences there are, and what type of diet and lifestyle would work better for my case... I think my main issue is the liver. As I had issues converting with thyroid hormone conversion and had high rt3 as a result. I also look back and at the time when my skin started turning a yellower tone, is when my health issues started happening. So the liver is really important for my case.