BearWithMe
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Damn, I have used antidepressants and neuroleptics too. It has been 18 years since I stopped. But I feel it changed me permanently and caused a lot of chronic health issues
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I took it as a child, and after that.Did you took the antidepressants before or after the copper deficiency / toxicity symptoms started?
Yes, I can't properly digest fat. Fat is giving me strong nausea and bloating.I took it as a child, and after that.
To be honest, I don't think it's their fault. At the very least, they were unlikely to cause liver problems. Do you have any liver symptoms?
It may be the opposite, that because of Wilson's syndrome, she began to have mental problems and now it just progresses. And the genes were passed on to you.Yes, I can't properly digest fat. Fat is giving me strong nausea and bloating.
My grandma have symptoms very similar to mine. She also took antidepressants and neuroleptics. Might be coincidence.
Now I thought that maybe we are just copper deficits. And all the "toxicity" is due to additives.
All these people are right that body is deficient in bioavailable copper. Bioavailable means ceruloplasmin copper. Ceruloplasmin goes up only in fast oxidation. Feeding copper in slow oxidation simply will lower ceruloplasmin even more. You can test it yourself if you have low ceruloplasmin.
Slow oxidizers are deficient in bioavailable copper, their ceruloplasmin is low. If you feed them copper, ceruloplasmin will go even LOWER. Low ceruloplasmin shows the body does not need copper at this time. Ceruloplasmin goes up with the thyroid hormone, since copper is used to slow down the thyroid .
this is why in slow oxidation ceruloplasmin will be low, and body will not need much copper or iron, and these metals will build up in the liver, if person overeats.
Look at hairtests of Herrfish Raincoast. This is what happens when someone eat copper in slow oxidiation. You get IBS, you get colitis. You are screwed.
then it takes about 6 months to chelate this copper from brain and liver. And it is not pretty when you do it. Itgives sypmpoms.
I personally stayed for 6 months on zinc and manganese and at first had huge symptoms , when copper started to come out.
The best thing I did was to chelate it.
People with low adrenals feel a little bit better when they tank their metabolism with copper. Since copper tanks thyroid. and lowers thyroid demand for adrenaline.
Never take copper with low ceruloplasmin
When your adrenaline creation goes down, copper starts building up.
This is why if you have low copper on the hairtest, chelating copper will not achieve results, your problem is other metals in mitochondria which create that Fenton reaction. Body stops copper absorption in slow oxidation, so in most cases you are low on copper in the cell, your absorption is lowered and you dont need it and some feel some deficiency symptoms. This is available and not available copper. All what is said online is just weird nonsense.
like raising ceruloplasmin etc. Ceruloplasmin will be raised only when your body goes into a faster metabolism, since copper lowers thyroid. Morley Robbins and other people are clueless on this topic. Feeding people liver which is high on copper and iron, when people have high Fenton reaction as it is .
People need to get rid of hydroxyl radicals, and this will allow the body to increase metabolism , which will increase copper and iron absorption and usage.
I mentioned before that finasteride, lowers DHT and increases t and estro, could downregulate estro receptor,
estrogen is what increases ceruloplasmin and copper absorption in the body.
but ceruloplasmin usually rises with ACTh, and ACTH rises with higher metabolism and potassium levels
this is why if you take cortisol, it lowers ACTH, and ceruloplasmin goes down. and copper absorption also
Zinc supplements were always causing flare-up of my symptoms.
I think it's related to K2. I have a theory that people like products with K2.Chicken liver is surprisingly low in copper. 100g of chicken liver contains just 0.5mg of copper.
The best source of copper is duck liver (6mg/100g), rabbit liver and goat liver.
Interestingly, I like the taste of duck and rabbit liver the best. Never have tried goat liver.