More endotoxin both in the short-term and long-term.Dumb question, but why exactly is fermentation bad?
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More endotoxin both in the short-term and long-term.Dumb question, but why exactly is fermentation bad?
Dumb question, but why exactly is fermentation bad?
Dumb question, but why exactly is fermentation bad?
an increase in breath H2 is usually treated as a clear increase in bacterial density, in the literature
Fermentation is bad mainly because a product of it is lactic acid, but it is good in the sense that its products aren't toxic. Foods are preserved using fermentation when refrigeration isn't available - sauerkraut for example, and vinegar and wine are products of fermentation. This involves some bacteria which are very much the same bacteria used in the probiotics we ingest. With these bacteria being dominant, the fermentation instead of putrefaction is the anaerobic process that goes about. A typical rotten egg smell is what we smell when putrefaction occurs, and this is the smell of hydrogen sulfide (H2S). It's important that there are enough beneficial bacteria (such as lactic acid bacteria) around that fermentation occurs instead of putrefaction.I wouldn't say it's bad in every context, but many of the bacterial fermentation end products such as methane and hydrogen sulfide are extremely destructive to the intestine, and are known to be involved in carcinogenesis.
Dumb question, but why exactly is fermentation bad?
It will fed bacteria in your gut. That will produce toxins. Eventually your d ick fly off. Havent you noticed how sick everyone is who eats vegetables and fermented food?
Your confusing me. I need to be able to put things in a good or bad category.
Theres no good or bad. It’s your decision what you believe. If you believe that bacteria in your gut will make you sick then try to get rid of them. Eat antibiotics. If you believe theres a homeostasis of bacteria floras in your gut which fight each other or co-operate then feed them with different foods to keep the system in balance. Its like if you imagine all the different strains of bacteria in your gut is trying to yell at the same time to make their voice and vision heard. If they are all equal you wont hear/notice (no problems) but if one takes over that strains voice/effect becomes much larger and you start to experience that something is actually doing you harm. Its like what do you think is the best way to fight a bacteria? Other bacterias ofc... different bacteria like different food. Some need fibers, some need sugars, some need protein some need fatty acids, some need certain minerals and vitamins. So to eat a diversity of food is whats likely to keep the symbiosis of the gut. But yeah or you could think all bacteria is bad and bomb them with antibiotics. But is that really sustainable? Wont they just adapt? Will you really kill them all? Is it the best option? My guess is no. My thoughts are that give the good bacteria what they need. I dont believe in probiotics (eating bacteria) i believe in prebiotics (feeding your gut bacteria) a varierty of prebiotics. Everything you eat everyday constantly affects your bacteria balance in the gut. That affects endotoxin, serotonin and immunity. If you need good or bad answers im sorry but there really is none. No one knows anything for sure. we can just assume. If you want to assume that rays views are absolute then yes you can decide according to that if something is ”peat good” or ”peat bad”.
@Pufas Shmoofas was being sarcastic, meathead
That long reply was me being sarcastic back. You didnt get that? Jesus christ.
Doesn't look or sound like it. Good luck trying to get yourself out of that hole you just dug for yourself.
Whats your problem?
It might not be its fiber directly, but when it prevents bile from being readsorbed and increasing the apperance in faeces by 50%.This is Ray's response to the study.
They didn’t measure hydrogen in the last part of the study. The antiseptic effect of carrot might have decreased methane forming bacteria, leaving more food for hydrogen formation. Most people say that they can see undigested carrot in their stool; I doubt that the fiber supports fermentation to hydrogen.
Gastroenterology. 1984 Sep;87(3):601-5.
Methane production and colon cancer.
Piqué JM, Pallarés M, Cusó E, Vilar-Bonet J, Gassull MA.
The cause of the high incidence of methane producers in patients with colorectal
cancer is not clear. A total of 270 individuals were studied for methane
production, using an end-expiratory breath sampling technique. They were divided
into eight groups: 156 healthy controls (group 1); 47 patients with colorectal
cancer (group 2); 36 patients (34 of them included in the previous group) after
resection of the tumor (group 3); 7 (also included in group 2) with nonresectable
tumor (group 4); 29 with nonmalignant diseases of the colon (group 5); 12 with
extensive ulcerative colitis (group 6); 12 with ulcerative proctosigmoiditis
(group 7); and 12 with colonic polyposis (group 8). Significantly more patients
(91.4%) with colorectal cancer in group 2 produced methane than either healthy
controls (42.9%) (p less than 0.001) or patients with benign diseases of the
colon (41.3%) (p less than 0.001). In 36 patients (group 3) in whom the cancer
was resected, the incidence of methane producers fell to 47.2%, similar to the
control group, but significantly different from group 2 (p less than 0.001). The
percentage of methane producers in patients operated on, but with unresectable
cancer, remained very high (87.7%). A significantly higher proportion of patients
with extensive ulcerative colitis (group 6) and colonic polyposis (group 7)
produced methane than patients with ulcerative proctosigmoiditis (group 7),
benign diseases of the colon (group 5), and healthy controls (p less than 0.05).
The results suggest that the presence of cancer in the large bowel directly
influences methane production. In addition, in the group of diseases with a high
risk of malignancy, the prevalence of methane-producing individuals was
significantly higher than in the healthy population and in patients with benign
diseases of the colon.
it's quite surprising that carrots didn't make it worse.
Theres no good or bad. It’s your decision what you believe. If you believe that bacteria in your gut will make you sick then try to get rid of them. Eat antibiotics. If you believe theres a homeostasis of bacteria floras in your gut which fight each other or co-operate then feed them with different foods to keep the system in balance. Its like if you imagine all the different strains of bacteria in your gut is trying to yell at the same time to make their voice and vision heard. If they are all equal you wont hear/notice (no problems) but if one takes over that strains voice/effect becomes much larger and you start to experience that something is actually doing you harm. Its like what do you think is the best way to fight a bacteria? Other bacterias ofc... different bacteria like different food. Some need fibers, some need sugars, some need protein some need fatty acids, some need certain minerals and vitamins. So to eat a diversity of food is whats likely to keep the symbiosis of the gut. But yeah or you could think all bacteria is bad and bomb them with antibiotics. But is that really sustainable? Wont they just adapt? Will you really kill them all? Is it the best option? My guess is no. My thoughts are that give the good bacteria what they need. I dont believe in probiotics (eating bacteria) i believe in prebiotics (feeding your gut bacteria) a varierty of prebiotics. Everything you eat everyday constantly affects your bacteria balance in the gut. That affects endotoxin, serotonin and immunity. If you need good or bad answers im sorry but there really is none. No one knows anything for sure. we can just assume. If you want to assume that rays views are absolute then yes you can decide according to that if something is ”peat good” or ”peat bad”.