Strongbad
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... to visit long distance relatives that I haven't seen in over a decade. Few interesting bits I've noticed after staying over for a little over a week:
1) My great granpa was 101 before he passed away. My great grandma is a little over 100 and is in great health. Based on local stories, It's pretty common to have elderlies who lived on 90s to 100s here. I have plenty of relatives in late 80s and 90s in good health.
2) Turns out my older cousins, uncles and even 85 years old relatives have a lot more hair than I do. Only I and some of my younger cousins experience hairloss or male pattern baldness (MPB).
3) There're discrepancies between diets of older generations and younger generations. Older crowds are more apprehensive to western diets and would rather stick to traditional cuisines. Younger crowds, especially the financially well-off ones, can afford western food and consuming a large portion of it on their daily diet regimen.
4) Obesity, cancers and general sickness are more prevalent on younger crowds, especially the rich ones. MPB is also more prevalent to these group of people.
5) I also notice some skinny MPB sufferers, but also a lot of super skinny old men with lush, full hair. In their 60s or 70s.
Since I'm interested to fixing MPB and having healthy, long live span I'm going to focus more on the older crowds and their daily diet / regiment.
These are some of the things they do that I, as a Peatarian, find odd / contradictory to Peatarian community dogmas:
1) None of them take thyroid supplement. NONE. They don't even know what thyroid is and that there's a supplement for it.
2) None of them take supplements to support their diet. They make fun of me whenever I see me taking supplements of vitamin E,Bs,K2 and Taurine. They think I look like a sick man and should go to hospital. My grandma said "Just eat good food and you need none of those pills!"
3) They consume WAY LESS calories than what Cronometer suggests, maybe around 1800s to 2000 calories range. Some even consume less. Maybe since they're older with lower metabolism they don't need that much calories, but still... This make me rethink considerably on Cronometer and its calories requirement. Maybe that 3000 minimum calories is only an arbitrary number? I don't even recall Ray Peat mentioning a specific minimum calorie requirement to have adequate metabolism. He only mention the dangers of caloric deficit.
4) They look and act 10-20 years younger than their age. Slim, energetic, relatively little wrinkles. They don't look that much older from the last time I saw them 10+ years ago.
These are their type of diet/food:
1) White rice with lots of vegetables with some local spices and some meat, but not much. White rice and vegetables take the center stage.
2) It's pretty much high carb, medium protein and low fat composition.
3) For boiled vegetables, they also drink the broth, too. Peatarians debate on various topics on this, but for south east Asians, it's customary to drink the broth if the vegetables are boiled.
4) They consume fruits, too since they're abundant and cheap here but in nowhere as much as Peatarians or fruitians do. Fruits is like occasional snacks to them. The main dishes are white rice and vegetables.
5) They don't drink milk that much. Very rare, actually. They don't even know what Greek Yogurt is and never consumed it.
6) Unfortunately, they don't shy away from legumes/nuts and pufa oils when cooking fried food. But in general, they don't consume much of it.
7) They prefer tea over coffee. I know that tea is anti-thyroid, but based on what I've seen so far, they consume some tea at least once a day and it doesn't seem to make them hypothyroid. Heck, they have more hair than I do!
8) Lots of sunshine and vitamin D. Dooh.
About male pattern baldness, it seems that caloric restriction is not an issue for MPBs but rather than whether a person has consume adequate micro nutrients in his/her daily diet. I've seen a fair share of skinny bald people here (although very little compared to US counterparts) but also a lot of old, super skinny men with thick lush hair on all ages. Almost all obese people here suffer MPB on some degree.
Now that I think about it, Hideo Kojima, the Metal Gear Solid producer, is 52 years old but looks like a late 20s. He has full thick black hair with very little, if any, strands of grey hair. Not to mention he's very skinny. I don't think he follows Cronometer's calorie requirement
1) My great granpa was 101 before he passed away. My great grandma is a little over 100 and is in great health. Based on local stories, It's pretty common to have elderlies who lived on 90s to 100s here. I have plenty of relatives in late 80s and 90s in good health.
2) Turns out my older cousins, uncles and even 85 years old relatives have a lot more hair than I do. Only I and some of my younger cousins experience hairloss or male pattern baldness (MPB).
3) There're discrepancies between diets of older generations and younger generations. Older crowds are more apprehensive to western diets and would rather stick to traditional cuisines. Younger crowds, especially the financially well-off ones, can afford western food and consuming a large portion of it on their daily diet regimen.
4) Obesity, cancers and general sickness are more prevalent on younger crowds, especially the rich ones. MPB is also more prevalent to these group of people.
5) I also notice some skinny MPB sufferers, but also a lot of super skinny old men with lush, full hair. In their 60s or 70s.
Since I'm interested to fixing MPB and having healthy, long live span I'm going to focus more on the older crowds and their daily diet / regiment.
These are some of the things they do that I, as a Peatarian, find odd / contradictory to Peatarian community dogmas:
1) None of them take thyroid supplement. NONE. They don't even know what thyroid is and that there's a supplement for it.
2) None of them take supplements to support their diet. They make fun of me whenever I see me taking supplements of vitamin E,Bs,K2 and Taurine. They think I look like a sick man and should go to hospital. My grandma said "Just eat good food and you need none of those pills!"
3) They consume WAY LESS calories than what Cronometer suggests, maybe around 1800s to 2000 calories range. Some even consume less. Maybe since they're older with lower metabolism they don't need that much calories, but still... This make me rethink considerably on Cronometer and its calories requirement. Maybe that 3000 minimum calories is only an arbitrary number? I don't even recall Ray Peat mentioning a specific minimum calorie requirement to have adequate metabolism. He only mention the dangers of caloric deficit.
4) They look and act 10-20 years younger than their age. Slim, energetic, relatively little wrinkles. They don't look that much older from the last time I saw them 10+ years ago.
These are their type of diet/food:
1) White rice with lots of vegetables with some local spices and some meat, but not much. White rice and vegetables take the center stage.
2) It's pretty much high carb, medium protein and low fat composition.
3) For boiled vegetables, they also drink the broth, too. Peatarians debate on various topics on this, but for south east Asians, it's customary to drink the broth if the vegetables are boiled.
4) They consume fruits, too since they're abundant and cheap here but in nowhere as much as Peatarians or fruitians do. Fruits is like occasional snacks to them. The main dishes are white rice and vegetables.
5) They don't drink milk that much. Very rare, actually. They don't even know what Greek Yogurt is and never consumed it.
6) Unfortunately, they don't shy away from legumes/nuts and pufa oils when cooking fried food. But in general, they don't consume much of it.
7) They prefer tea over coffee. I know that tea is anti-thyroid, but based on what I've seen so far, they consume some tea at least once a day and it doesn't seem to make them hypothyroid. Heck, they have more hair than I do!
8) Lots of sunshine and vitamin D. Dooh.
About male pattern baldness, it seems that caloric restriction is not an issue for MPBs but rather than whether a person has consume adequate micro nutrients in his/her daily diet. I've seen a fair share of skinny bald people here (although very little compared to US counterparts) but also a lot of old, super skinny men with thick lush hair on all ages. Almost all obese people here suffer MPB on some degree.
Now that I think about it, Hideo Kojima, the Metal Gear Solid producer, is 52 years old but looks like a late 20s. He has full thick black hair with very little, if any, strands of grey hair. Not to mention he's very skinny. I don't think he follows Cronometer's calorie requirement