Sexual Liberation The Downfall Of A Society

[Ableton]

Is your view that their career is the only thing men can work on in an attempt to improve their reproductive succeess?


Ha, what is this fixation with 5'4? Why wouldn't they reproduce? Anyway, you may be interested to learn that hunter gatherers were of similar height as people today. Agriculture resulted in a temporary dip in the average height, from which we are only now recovering:
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In most societies height has hardly any influence at all regarding one's reproductive success, discounting the extreme ends. Short men breed and have sex all the time. If you are from the states, I understand your point of view. America has a peculiar cultural obsession with height.


Consider the possibility that you might be over-emphasizing the influence of genetics when it comes to determining the desirable traits in the context of reproduction and pair-bonding. Biologically, reproduction takes place within a context that is charactericized by nature & nurture alike. That is to say, the individual's innate ability (potential to succeed within the environment) and demonstrated ability (proven success within the environment) determine the desirability of the individual somewhat equally. The lookism-oriented framework you are using has a disproportionate emphasis on the innate ability of the individual, to the point of being, if not exceedingly black-and-white in its modality, at least sufficiently biased to fail to accurately describe the reality.

No. The best way for a 5'4 man to improve his reproductive success would be wearing shoe lifts. For an ugly man, getting plastic surgery etc. For a bald man, wear a wig. Basically fraud your genetic value. Of course we are nowhere near a point where being successful, intelligent, nice, high status does not help. It helps. But the tradeoffs for not being genetically gifted are huge:

Insta/tik tok etc are just making it worse.

In most societes height might have not been a biggie, but those societes were not sexually/economically liberated.


your last point is good but consider we are living in a society of abundance then. your points are good but not related to the sexual liberated society at all. you have boomer tier arguments to be honest

 

[lvysaur]

Personal responsibility doesn’t work on a mass scale because it rests on false notions of egalitarianism. Look at the boomers as a stunning example of what happens when hyper individuality is combined with financial successses.

Okay, but everyone on the planet has access to porn. Every country in the world tries to "interfere" with each other's elections. etc.

If the US is uniquely ill-affected by this, it's because the people of the US are more susceptible to it, or because the government (which is elected by the people) is functionally illegitimate.

 

[R J]

No. The best way for a 5'4 man to improve his reproductive success would be wearing shoe lifts. For an ugly man, getting plastic surgery etc. For a bald man, wear a wig. Basically fraud your genetic value. Of course we are nowhere near a point where being successful, intelligent, nice, high status does not help. It helps. But the tradeoffs for not being genetically gifted are huge:



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Insta/tik tok etc are just making it worse.

In most societes height might have not been a biggie, but those societes were not sexually liberated.


your last point is good but consider we are living in a society of abundance then. your points are good but not related to the sexual liberated society at all. you have boomer tier arguments to be honest

I agree with and understand most of what you’re saying but i think you’ve accepted and internalized it as part of your reality too much. Spiritual practice will help you and also the “boomer” accusation is a bit of a projection when you also speak of anti semitism. Germans got historically guilted the most. I can show you evidence of what you speak about but if you think you’re blackpilled right now I don’t want to see what pill you swallow next

 

[R J]

Okay, but everyone on the planet has access to porn. Every country in the world tries to "interfere" with each other's elections. etc.

If the US is uniquely ill-affected by this, it's because the people of the US are more susceptible to it, or because the government (which is elected by the people) is functionally illegitimate.

I agree, it’s both. People are so demoralized. I have to have so much energy every day to fight the conditioning. And that’s me recognizing it vs most people who have totally internalized and rationalized it to be normal part of their psyche. It’s where esoteric and spiritual practices come into play.

If I could explain to you my life , public schooling, jobs, mentality passed down from parents, everyone here would see I know exactly what they’re talking about! I was raised to be a wage slave!

 

[Ableton]

I agree with and understand most of what you’re saying but i think you’ve accepted and internalized it as part of your reality too much. Spiritual practice will help you and also the “boomer” accusation is a bit of a projection when you also speak of anti semitism. Germans got historically guilted the most. I can show you evidence of what you speak about but if you think you’re blackpilled right now I don’t want to see what pill you swallow next

when I speak about anti semitism I openly admit I have no idea. that is not really boomer behaviour is it?
I don't mind swallowing the next pill, as it can't possibly be worst than the last.

 

[R J]

when I speak about anti semitism I openly admit I have no idea. that is not really boomer behaviour is it?
I don't mind swallowing the next pill, as it can't possibly be worst than the last.

Watch Ryan Dawson’s 5 hr documentary on 9/11 . It costs like $10 to rent it from his site. Or piece together the info from all his free live-streams and interviews like I did if you don’t want to spend money.

I think if you keep going you’ll find bliss tbh. Part of transcending is coming to grips with truth

And I’d genuinely like to know your grandparents views on Hitler

 

[lvysaur]

I agree, it’s both. People are so demoralized. I have to have so much energy every day to fight the conditioning. And that’s me recognizing it vs most people who have totally internalized and rationalized it to be normal part of their psyche.

Right, but I don't think it is solely an issue of modern demoralization.

To some extent it is a result of the unique geographic setup of North America, which naturally leads to the "elites" amassing large swathes of land, because it is an empty continent filled only with neolithic/stone age Natives, so the elites can get very powerful without disturbing the small amount of white settlers. The fact that the Natives were genocided is itself a result of this geography (cut off from the technological population-increasing developments of Asia, notice how Asians/Indians/Africans are just fine today)

That's the environmental condition which leads to "demoralization", because the elites have amassed so much power that it is almost impossible to oppose them.

But also I think there is almost certainly a genetic issue, some type of evolution by self-selection, which makes Americans different from the regions of their biological origin. It's been confirmed that white Americans have certain gene frequencies that show selection compared to Europeans.

There are also hundreds of accounts of "race and people" from the 1800s, 1700s, and they all say more or less the same thing about white Americans as people are saying now. Americans are more excitable, more herd-like, less critical thinking, harder working, more "doer" mentality, etc.

 

[R J]

Right, but I don't think it is solely an issue of modern demoralization.

To some extent it is a result of the unique geographic setup of North America, which naturally leads to the "elites" amassing large swathes of land, because it is an empty continent filled only with neolithic/stone age Natives, so the elites can get very powerful without disturbing the small amount of white settlers. The fact that the Natives were genocided is itself a result of this geography (cut off from the technological population-increasing developments of Asia, notice how Asians/Indians/Africans are just fine today)

That's the environmental condition. But also I think there is almost certainly a genetic issue, some type of evolution by self-selection, which makes Americans different from the regions of their biological origin. It's been confirmed that white Americans have certain gene frequencies that show selection compared to Europeans.

There are also hundreds of accounts of "race and people" from the 1800s, 1700s, and they all say more or less the same thing about white Americans as people are saying now. Americans are more excitable, more herd-like, less critical thinking, harder working, more "doer" mentality, etc.

Ok, thank you for sharing this information. I have a focus for what angle of study to pursue for the day now. If you have some keywords for titles or authors on this subject pls share

 

[Ableton]

Watch Ryan Dawson’s 5 hr documentary on 9/11 . It costs like $10 to rent it from his site. Or piece together the info from all his free live-streams and interviews like I did if you don’t want to spend money.

I think if you keep going you’ll find bliss tbh. Part of transcending is coming to grips with truth

And I’d genuinely like to know your grandparents views on Hitler

its just my grandma who was a child back then. told me 2 stories. they are not really "views".

the first one is rather boring: during reichsprogromnacht nazis came into their street and took a jewish family they were friends with. horrible experience for her family.

story 2: before reichsprogromnacht, when jews were discriminated against but not yet deported, her parents dropped my grandma (I think she was like 8) off in front a street. She was supposed to play with a little girl there, who was lonely. This behaviour was kind of weird to my grandma as a child, but she went through with it and played with the girl despite not really knowing her. turns out it was a jewish ghetto street, and my grand grand parents couldn't have entered this street without repercussions, so they did this instead. Years later, my grandma found the name of the girl on a list. She got deported.

Point being, innocent people got killed, families torn apart etc.
Hits different when you hear first hand stories from people you care about who are on the verge of crying etc.

I will never buy into any conspiracy blaming a whole group of people for something. I doubt most jews are sucking the cocks of their sons, too

 

[TheSir]

The best way for a 5'4 man to improve his reproductive success would be wearing shoe lifts.

The addition of 2-3 inches would increase reproductive success more than any feasible increase in money, status or charisma? My friend, I say this with your best interests in mind: take a break from the internet. The worldview you have built out of the nuggets of data you have collected is extremely distorted. You are borderline delusional.

Insta/tik tok etc are just making it worse.

In this you are definitely right.

your points are good but not related to the sexual liberated society at all.

they do not have opinions on this, they have biological urges.

Pick one. The equal importance of innate & demonstrated ability comes precisely from biology, not the culture. As such, both are relevant irrespective of the cultural context.

 

[R J]

I will never buy into any conspiracy blaming a whole group of people for something. I doubt most jews are sucking the cocks of their sons, too

Nobody is saying that here, and I don’t know what this fellatio comment you are making refers to. You’re the one who started saying anti semitism out of nowhere.

Anyways thanks for sharing the grandparents stories. It’s interesting to contrast it to what they do to palestinians today.

 

[Ableton]

The addition of 2-3 inches would increase reproductive success more than any feasible increase in money, status or charisma?

with girls in their prime reproductive years in the west? yes. casual sex? yes. LTR of a woman who wants to "settle down"? no.

Pick one. The equal importance of innate & demonstrated ability comes precisely from biology, not the culture. As such, both are relevant irrespective of the cultural context.

you are probably right that demonstrated ability is attractive, but again, this is more relevant to providing for a child (which the state and women are already doing) than to making a child, for which females want good dna.

 

[Ableton]

Nobody is saying that here, and I don’t know what this fellatio comment you are making refers to. You’re the one who started saying anti semitism out of nowhere.

Anyways thanks for sharing the grandparents stories. It’s interesting to contrast it to what they do to palestinians today.

the video that was shared. i only started with jews because someone asked me to watch it. imo its irrelevant here yes

 

[R J]

the video that was shared. i only started with jews because someone asked me to watch it. imo its irrelevant here yes

So your response to a video which shows overrepresentation of a specific ethnic group in a certain industry is to call it racist? Seems like a conditioned response tbh. That’s what boomers do. Porn is a weapon. That’s what I mean, you chose bits and pieces of pills. Swallow the whole thing

 

[Ableton]

So your response to a video which shows overrepresentation of a specific ethnic group in a certain industry is to call it racist? Seems like a conditioned response tbh. That’s what boomers do. Porn is a weapon

"yeah man IDK I haven't really dipped into the antisemitic rabbit hole yet. some of it makes sense to me but it seems impossible to discover the truth.
as a german and having grandparents who experienced hitler and told me about society and war first hand, I can tell you that I am definitely not buying the argument that "hitler was a decent man". If there is some jewish conspiracy, it also does not mean that most jewish people are not decent people.
What I do find intriguing about hitler though is that eugenics are still playing out naturally in a sexually liberated society. If you are a white nordic chad with blue eyes it's impossible for you not to win at life, and that's pretty much a fact. Just like porn releases dopamine, seeing and interacting with attractive people releases dopamine in the human brain. Attractive people are like a drug as well. Brutal."

that was my response

porn might be a weapon (idk that, have to research). It might also just be a business. I realize this sounds incredibly bluepilled to you, but I'm pretty big on capitalism at explaining things.

 

[R J]

"yeah man IDK I haven't really dipped into the antisemitic rabbit hole yet. some of it makes sense to me but it seems impossible to discover the truth.
as a german and having grandparents who experienced hitler and told me about society and war first hand, I can tell you that I am definitely not buying the argument that "hitler was a decent man". If there is some jewish conspiracy, it also does not mean that most jewish people are not decent people.
What I do find intriguing about hitler though is that eugenics are still playing out naturally in a sexually liberated society. If you are a white nordic chad with blue eyes it's impossible for you not to win at life, and that's pretty much a fact. Just like porn releases dopamine, seeing and interacting with attractive people releases dopamine in the human brain. Attractive people are like a drug as well. Brutal."

that was my response

porn might be a weapon (idk that, have to research). It might also just be a business. I realize this sounds incredibly bluepilled to you, but I'm pretty big on capitalism at explaining things.

The “**** sucking” is talking about a rabbi performing a ritual on a circumcised baby. It’s not a conspiracy or secret. Where is the conspiracy?

That video is strange anyways in other ways. I think it’s made by jidf

 

[TheSir]

with girls in their prime reproductive years in the west? yes. casual sex? yes. LTR of a woman who wants to "settle down"? no.

Alright, there is little else to add then.

you are probably right that demonstrated ability is attractive, but again, this is more relevant to providing for a child (which the state and women are already doing) than to making a child, for which females want good dna.

The biological imperative is the same regardless. From the perspective of biology, there is no such thing as sexual appeal without reproductive appeal, or vice versa. Sexual appeal IS reproductive appeal.

 

[Ableton]

The “**** sucking” is talking about a rabbi performing a ritual on a circumcised baby. It’s not a conspiracy or secret. Where is the conspiracy?

That video is strange anyways in other ways. I think it’s made by jidf

the question is if this degenerate behaviour applies to every jew, or only to fundamentalists

most jews outside of israel do not give too many ***** about their religion I would be imagining. The same definitely holds true to young muslims in the west, of whom I know many personally. But I guess jews are this super mass scale conspired herd with zero individuality or something

 

[PxD]

No. The best way for a 5'4 man to improve his reproductive success would be wearing shoe lifts. For an ugly man, getting plastic surgery etc. For a bald man, wear a wig. Basically fraud your genetic value. Of course we are nowhere near a point where being successful, intelligent, nice, high status does not help. It helps. But the tradeoffs for not being genetically gifted are huge:



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Insta/tik tok etc are just making it worse.

In most societes height might have not been a biggie, but those societes were not sexually/economically liberated.


your last point is good but consider we are living in a society of abundance then. your points are good but not related to the sexual liberated society at all. you have boomer tier arguments to be honest

Interesting that it works in reverse for women, apparently?

For me, my ideal has always been 5' 6" to 5' 8"...my chart would look the reverse of this one, where I would probably demand higher income the shorter she is, from 5' 7" on down.

 

[Ableton]

Interesting that it works in reverse for women, apparently?

For me, my ideal has always been 5' 6" to 5' 8"...my chart would look the reverse of this one, where I would probably demand higher income the shorter she is, from 5' 7" on down.

one of the reasons sexual market value in men and women is so extremely different is that a females height only matters in the extremes to her attractiveness.

female attractiveness is extremely forgiving towards individual features and unforgiving towards age. Meaning most women are somewhat attractive in their prime.

male attractiveness is extremely unforgiving towards individual features (height, baldness, forward growth for example) and forgiving towards age. Meaning some men are attractive for extremely long periods of time while others are never attractive.