Medical Martial Law: Is There An Exit Strategy? Anywhere?

[Giraffe]

There is no evidence that SARS-CoV-2 is any more dangerous than the dozens of other bugs, that go around each winter. There is no evidence of anything going on really. But this virus is taken as a pretext to put whole countries in lockdown, shut down the economy, take the rights away from people...

Germany

Regarding a lift of the contact restrictions in Germany the officials on a press conference on 26 March made it look like their only plan at the moment is to continue with what they do now. This is: people who have been in close contact with diagnosed cases get quarantined without being tested at all. The health minister has submitted a draft law, which he later withdrew after heavy criticism. The plan was to give the German CDC access to mobile phone data which would have made tracking of individuals possible.

On the press conference (I paraphrase):

Journalist: Are there any key indicators such as number of infected people or hospital occupancy which would prompt the authorities to lift the contact restrictions?

Lothar Wieler (head of German CDC): Hmm, ehh ... this is a huge epidemic. Sure there are indicators. We have data, but we don't know what to make of them. If we got more data, we might figure out something.

Journalist: You were not able to push through the draft law which would have allowed to locate mobile phones, but you think that locating mobile phones is a prerequisite for lifting restrictions?

Jens Spahn (health minister): Currently there is no therapy and no vaccine. We need to hunt down contacts more efficiently.

.....

Switzerland

"The numbers are still increasing. It's too early to discuss exit plans with the public."

......

Denmark

This is very concerning if the reports are true:

https://www.thelocal.dk/20200313/denmark-passes-far-reaching-emergency-coronavirus-law

The far-reaching new law will remain in force until March 2021, when it will expire under a sunset clause. [...]

The Ministry of Health will now work with the Ministry of Justice on the details of how the police will work with health officials to enforce their demands.

As well as enforcing quarantine measures, the law also allows the authorities to force people to be vaccinated, even though there is currently no vaccination for the virus.

It also empowers them to prohibit access to public institutions, supermarkets and shops, public and private nursing homes and hospitals, and also to impose restrictions on access to public transport.

Initially, the government wanted to the law to give the police the right to enter private homes without a court order if there is a suspicion of coronavirus infection. But this was dropped after opposition from parties in the parliament.

 

[Dino D]

arent in italy doctors dieing?


45 doctors with coronavirus are dead in Italy

does this ever happen with common flues or viruses...

did it ever happend in italy before?

and it happend now even if italy has quarantine... what would be if there warent any mesures at all, anywhere...

 

[peateats1]

There is definitely something menacing about this whole thing. I think the virus is real, though not as bad as is being reported, and it will be used to usher in new laws and we will lose a lot of our freedoms and liberties. The relief checks that we are to receive from the government reek of universal basic income. No one will be able to work due to the virus, so the government is going to start paying us. Everyone is to receive the same amount.
It's pretty wild that every major event that has happened in reality has been broadcast on the simpsons like 10+ years ago. Many many years before it showed up in the world. That can't be coincidence, and yet people ignore it.
How people can trust our government or any other government in the world is mind boggling to me. I have friends on my Facebook that are desperate for the vaccine and can't wait for its arrival, and other friends that are pissed at their neighbors for not social distancing.
It's clear and easy to see how quickly life as we know it can be lost and once lost how it will be nearly impossible to retrieve.
People need to stop obeying what we are being told to do. I think that's our only way out is to stop falling victim to the fearmongering and bullying from our own government. Stop obeying them!

 

[Dino D]

There is definitely something menacing about this whole thing. I think the virus is real, though not as bad as is being reported, and it will be used to usher in new laws and we will lose a lot of our freedoms and liberties. The relief checks that we are to receive from the government reek of universal basic income. No one will be able to work due to the virus, so the government is going to start paying us. Everyone is to receive the same amount.
It's pretty wild that every major event that has happened in reality has been broadcast on the simpsons like 10+ years ago. Many many years before it showed up in the world. That can't be coincidence, and yet people ignore it.
How people can trust our government or any other government in the world is mind boggling to me. I have friends on my Facebook that are desperate for the vaccine and can't wait for its arrival, and other friends that are pissed at their neighbors for not social distancing.
It's clear and easy to see how quickly life as we know it can be lost and once lost how it will be nearly impossible to retrieve.
People need to stop obeying what we are being told to do. I think that's our only way out is to stop falling victim to the fearmongering and bullying from our own government. Stop obeying them!

we dont know how bad it is, not even close... we would see that if they would be no mesures and restrictions... the hospitals would colapse fullyy and fullY i guess...
whit all those restrictions we really dont know what covid 19 would do or what it can do...

 

[methylenewhite]

arent in italy doctors dieing?


45 doctors with coronavirus are dead in Italy

does this ever happen with common flues or viruses...

did it ever happend in italy before?

and it happend now even if italy has quarantine... what would be if there warent any mesures at all, anywhere...

How old are those doctors? I actually see doctors as very unhealthy part of population, at least in my experience, fat sick doctor self-prescribing benzos is not a rare thing.

 

[Dino D]

How old are those doctors? I actually see doctors as very unhealthy part of population, at least in my experience, fat sick doctor self-prescribing benzos is not a rare thing.

50-70
if they disnt die last year, or ever (in this kind of fashion) then this is nor normal...
those were all doctors who worked, they were healthy enough to work normaly just like last year, corona came, now they are dead...
the assumption is they they wouldnt die without covid 19...
if someone isnt trully sick (like high stage cancer) or super old, its not common to die or to have like 900 deaths caused or conected to flu or corona in italy, per day... ever...

 

[yerrag]

Call me a tinfoil hat, but I don't think there is any chance at all the lockdowns, neighborhood quarantines, and martial law edicts are going anywhere anytime soon.

For many years, we're being warned that financial armaggedon is around the around. I believe that, and if you're sane and well-informed, you would believe that, right? Everywhere, it's a big scam with the stock market having nowhere to go but up, despite debt the size unseen in history, and the two major powers are outdoing each other in this con game. It's mutually assured destruction without nukes.

But before everything bursts, and create civil unrest ala Bastille Day, everyone has to be corralled in to hamlets. Hamlets - yes, the same thing the British Empire did to the Irish. And the same thing the US government did to Filipinos in recent centuries. Those were done against their will, and it was plain to see it was against their good. But that was then. Now, it's not that evident. It's stealth technology as old as Rasputin.

This time, our homes and neighborhoods and cities are the hamlets. And we are thankful for it, and if it were against someone's will, the herd will corral him in. Out of fear. COVID fear.

Now, there is still a market meltdown. There is a recession. There likely is a depression. But we're not focused on the economy. We're focused on surviving COVID-19. This is the enemy that unites us, and also distracts us. We're going to get free money too. Never mind that the cruise lines, who makes an art of evading taxes, are in line for assistance too.

Meanwhile, more jobs for saving dying people. And more jobs to bury those who died.

And we can't peacefully protest anymore.

Martial law, medical or not, is here to stay.

Mandatory vaccination is coming.

 

[RealNeat]

50-70
if they disnt die last year, or ever (in this kind of fashion) then this is nor normal...
those were all doctors who worked, they were healthy enough to work normaly just like last year, corona came, now they are dead...
the assumption is they they wouldnt die without covid 19...
if someone isnt trully sick (like high stage cancer) or super old, its not common to die or to have like 900 deaths caused or conected to flu or corona in italy, per day... ever...

I don't think most of these doctors have worked in a time of such fear, stress and long hours before. Plus this is assuming the claims that these docs died FROM CoV is accurate, as docs die too. Plus it seems Italy used ACE inhibitors and high levels of oxygen, which may have contributed to more deaths.

 

[methylenewhite]

I don't think most of these doctors have worked in a time of such fear, stress and long hours before. Plus this is assuming the claims that these docs died FROM CoV is accurate, as docs die too. Plus it seems Italy used ACE inhibitors and high levels of oxygen, which may have contributed to more deaths.

+1

 

[Collden]

There is no evidence that SARS-CoV-2 is any more dangerous than the dozens of other bugs, that go around each winter. There is no evidence of anything going on really. But this virus is taken as a pretext to put whole countries in lockdown, shut down the economy, take the rights away from people...

Germany

Regarding a lift of the contact restrictions in Germany the officials on a press conference on 26 March made it look like their only plan at the moment is to continue with what they do now. This is: people who have been in close contact with diagnosed cases get quarantined without being tested at all. The health minister has submitted a draft law, which he later withdrew after heavy criticism. The plan was to give the German CDC access to mobile phone data which would have made tracking of individuals possible.

On the press conference (I paraphrase):

Journalist: Are there any key indicators such as number of infected people or hospital occupancy which would prompt the authorities to lift the contact restrictions?

Lothar Wieler (head of German CDC): Hmm, ehh ... this is a huge epidemic. Sure there are indicators. We have data, but we don't know what to make of them. If we got more data, we might figure out something.

Journalist: You were not able to push through the draft law which would have allowed to locate mobile phones, but you think that locating mobile phones is a prerequisite for lifting restrictions?

Jens Spahn (health minister): Currently there is no therapy and no vaccine. We need to hunt down contacts more efficiently.

.....

Switzerland

"The numbers are still increasing. It's too early to discuss exit plans with the public."

......
Denmark

This is very concerning if the reports are true:

https://www.thelocal.dk/20200313/denmark-passes-far-reaching-emergency-coronavirus-law

The new law in Denmark appears to be true, surprised it has not gotten more attention considering how insane it is.

Some countries found creative ways of enforcing quarantine, like Poland and Singapore, sending out text messages several times a day and obligating quarantined people to respond within 20 minutes to confirm their location. I'm sure having to constantly be on guard ready to reply to text messages else have the police come knocking on your door is great for sick people lying in bed trying to fight an illness.

Edit: Seems this kind of surveillance policy in Poland and Singapore has not actually been applied to people fighting the illness at home yet, but only to asymptomatic individuals. Still its disturbing if states would consider wider application of such methods.

 

[ecstatichamster]

This isn’t linear and not predictable.

I remember the fall of the Berlin Wall and the coup against Gorbachev by “hardliner” generals that preceded it. They were going to make the USSR great again, Soviet style. The whole thing fell apart quickly and nobody predicted it.

I think this thing could go away also.

If Trump got on Telly and said “I listened to these people, and they told me to do X, and I did X, but now I have changed my mind. Doing X is the wrong thing. It’s not worth the price. It’s never worth the price. As of this moment I’m instructing my team to lift all orders of quarantine. If you are sick, stay in your home. Otherwise America is open for business again and will never close. Let this be a lesson to the rest of the world....” he would win re-election and be very, very popular and this nightmare might end.

 

[Hugh Johnson]

This isn’t linear and not predictable.

I remember the fall of the Berlin Wall and the coup against Gorbachev by “hardliner” generals that preceded it. They were going to make the USSR great again, Soviet style. The whole thing fell apart quickly and nobody predicted it.

I think this thing could go away also.

If Trump got on Telly and said “I listened to these people, and they told me to do X, and I did X, but now I have changed my mind. Doing X is the wrong thing. It’s not worth the price. It’s never worth the price. As of this moment I’m instructing my team to lift all orders of quarantine. If you are sick, stay in your home. Otherwise America is open for business again and will never close. Let this be a lesson to the rest of the world....” he would win re-election and be very, very popular and this nightmare might end.

True, and we can help them along by spreading the truth about the relative harmlessness of corona and calling out this authoritarian response.

 

[David PS]

It might be getting worse.
US Coronavirus: Rhode Island looking for New Yorkers to slow the spread of coronavirus - CNN

 

[charlie]

It might be getting worse.
US Coronavirus: Rhode Island looking for New Yorkers to slow the spread of coronavirus - CNN

 

[Hugh Johnson]

You could literally use that as a the beginning of a movie about military coup.

 

[boris]

50-70
if they disnt die last year, or ever (in this kind of fashion) then this is nor normal...
those were all doctors who worked, they were healthy enough to work normaly just like last year, corona came, now they are dead...
the assumption is they they wouldnt die without covid 19...
if someone isnt trully sick (like high stage cancer) or super old, its not common to die or to have like 900 deaths caused or conected to flu or corona in italy, per day... ever...

It seems that Italy made no effort to incorporate successful treatments (Losartan, Vitamin C, etc.), instead they kept doing what was evidently unhelpful. There are reports from Italy saying people only got into critical condition after being administered to the hospital and were stable before.

 

[JanW55]

True, and we can help them along by spreading the truth about the relative harmlessness of corona and calling out this authoritarian response.

Agree @ecstatichamster and @Hugh Johnson

 

[David PS]

Trump says he's considering short-term quarantine of New York, New Jersey, parts of Connecticut - CNNPolitics

 

[charlie]

Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis Expands Quarantine to Louisiana Travelers, Installing Checkpoints on Roads
Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis Expands Quarantine to Louisiana Travelers

 

[tankasnowgod]

If Trump got on Telly and said “I listened to these people, and they told me to do X, and I did X, but now I have changed my mind. Doing X is the wrong thing. It’s not worth the price. It’s never worth the price. As of this moment I’m instructing my team to lift all orders of quarantine. If you are sick, stay in your home. Otherwise America is open for business again and will never close. Let this be a lesson to the rest of the world....” he would win re-election and be very, very popular and this nightmare might end.

I agree, or some similar version of this. This entire thing was created by mandate, and it could easily end by mandate.

I wonder, if others like us, will start to question....... with all these quarantines, where are the sick people? Yeah, there a couple hospitals in NY that are full, but 95% across the US are fine, if anything, OVER staffed. No one is dying in the streets. No excess mortality rates. When will businesses (restaurants, bars, casinos, gun shops, other "unessential businesses") sue to discover the legality of any of these orders? Demand the "scientific evidence" (which likely is mainly a model, not real "evidece"), and argue that this is a violation of the 1st amendment right to "peaceably assemble." Churches should also sue, as it is an attack on "Freedom of Religion."