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To be clear, I don't think anyone should expect to reverse baldness with isolated agents. It takes significant lifestyle changes to identify and remove the stressors (chronic lack of sunshine, abusive relationship, emotional stress) and then you need to get into a restorative state where the thyroid function starts to work again, basically a very involved process.
Massage, in the right context, has been proven successful. The problem is the context, most people balding don't address the underlying causes, in part because I don't think many realize (not meaning you, don't know your story) that premature balding is a sign that they have a lot of metabolic deficiencies to compensate vs. other people who aren't balding.
Massage? I will offer my experience. I massaged with the greatest diligence twice daily for 1.3 years. I massaged for at least 10-15 minutes in a fairly vigorous way with a scalp brush and some bare hand massage. There was zero change in my hair loss that I could detect. I started needling with a 1.5mm roller and use Minoxidil 5% and Valproic acid solution 1% to stimulate growth. I may add sodium lactate too since lactate has shown to improve growth. I will follow up in a few months. If anyone has positive results with massage, I think people here would like to know :)
@jonnytrigger
It will take significantly longer than a year to notice any difference in hair regrowth. By the time most people notice hair loss it has been going on for at least 3-4 years, possibly more. An acute, high stress event can definitely push things in the wrong direction very quickly too though.
In general hairloss is the result of a large metabolic deficit thats been playing out through the summer and winter cycles of gain and loss over a long period of time. Even metabolically healthy individuals will lose hair during the stressful winter months. Its just that hair is so abundant it isnt really noticable.
It took me around 18 months to stop hair loss following a very traumatic period. Using Rays work I've regrown almost everything I lost which has taken around 3-4 years. My hair is thick, shiny and healthy, now as much so as in my teens.
I cannot believe any young guy would seriously consider going near the poor mans progesterone drugs. It never crossed my mind. These are dangerous and will have significant long term health effects. Keep in mind there is no miracle cure. You need to steer things into anabolism and keep them anabolic during spring, summer and early autum. This will also help mitigate the energy deficit to come during the harsh winter months.
For some reason people expect that miracles are going to happen in the space of a few months... that's unrealistic. You have to give things time. Be consistent, be patient, but enjoy your life.
I'd recommend you stick with improving metabolism for at least another 2-3 years. DHT makes hair stiff and strong. It does not make hair fall out.
@jonnytrigger
It will take significantly longer than a year to notice any difference in hair regrowth. By the time most people notice hair loss it has been going on for at least 3-4 years, possibly more. An acute, high stress event can definitely push things in the wrong direction very quickly too though.
In general hairloss is the result of a large metabolic deficit thats been playing out through the summer and winter cycles of gain and loss over a long period of time. Even metabolically healthy individuals will lose hair during the stressful winter months. Its just that hair is so abundant it isnt really noticable.
It took me around 18 months to stop hair loss following a very traumatic period. Using Rays work I've regrown almost everything I lost which has taken around 3-4 years. My hair is thick, shiny and healthy, now as much so as in my teens.
I cannot believe any young guy would seriously consider going near the poor mans progesterone drugs. It never crossed my mind. These are dangerous and will have significant long term health effects. Keep in mind there is no miracle cure. You need to steer things into anabolism and keep them anabolic during spring, summer and early autum. This will also help mitigate the energy deficit to come during the harsh winter months.
For some reason people expect that miracles are going to happen in the space of a few months... that's unrealistic. You have to give things time. Be consistent, be patient, but enjoy your life.
I'd recommend you stick with improving metabolism for at least another 2-3 years. DHT makes hair stiff and strong. It does not make hair fall out.
good points but what do you think would explain the hair loss prevention ability of finastride? As no one here seems to Acknowledge the results tbh.
I don't think you realize how frustrating these comments can be (especially from a relatively new RPF member) when there are literally entire threads on this forum which discuss this precise question of the mechanism of action of finasteride.
I haven't been able to find any threads on that matter. Most seem to be how bad finastride is and so on. Now I know RPF isn't the best place to be asking about finastride but I just want to collect enough info with consideration to health as this community seems to actually have descent knowledge about hair loss and health
youve made really good points but what do you think would explain the hair loss prevention ability of finastride? As no one here seems to Acknowledge the results tbh.
In terms of metabolism my thyroid levels seem to be in good range blood markers and temperature, but unfortunately hair loss is slowly progressing in MPB pattern.
Btw if you don’t mind do you haven’t before and after pics?
I appreciate people always want proof, but I'm not going to post photos on a public forum! Ever. Im not even a fan of social media! Whether or not you choose to believe me is your right and that's fine.
This may sound harsh, but I really dont care if anyone believes me or not... I think this state of mind is probably just reflective of a good metabolism. In reality...fixing this issue is solely down to you and you alone. Embrace the challenge.
You sound a little lost... which is fine! There is a lot to take on board. This isnt easy, hairloss can no doubt stem from multiple causes.
Improving your energy production can only help, but there is no guarantee of a full reversal. Not being negative, just realistic. Life can be incredibly tough sometimes. A lot may depend on your age, state of health, environment. Its very complex.
I have a couple of friends who lost their hair around 20 yet they look healthy. Good personalities and good skin quality, bone structure etc. Both now married with children so try not to fret about attracting a partner. It comes down to more than just hair! There are pieces of the puzzle that we simply do not know, but stress has to be a major contributory factor. Ray's arguments are just too compelling.
A few thoughts...
If you havent watched all of Danny Roddy's material I would recommend doing so. Ray has a plethora of interviews, lots of which are posted on this forum.
There is also a book by a fomer forum member Nathan Hatch, **** Portion Control. If you are able, I would recommend purchasing it. Its a great read and it presents Rays work in an easy to digest format with some additional information from Nathan. Its also an entertaining read and well worth the money.
Thyroid markers arent much use in my opinion. I had a TSH of 0.8 and was loosing hair. Cortisol can suppress TSH. Temp and pulse is a much better metric along with heat in the extremities - feet, hands, nose and ears.
I'd recommend a blood test for vitamin D and prolactin as a starting point, if you havent already tested these. Will give you something to work with.
Clean the gut and clean the liver:
Fibre is under rated! Keeping your gut moving is imperative. 2-3 bowel movements per day is a good aim.
Clean your liver. Low PUFA. Taurine, glycine, vitamin E, aspirin, B2 and B3 are helpful for this. Your eyes should be clear, white and shiny. Big indicator of liver health/ gut health in my opinion. If you are struggling to picture this, look at the eyes of a child...the picture of health.
I would strongly urge you to stick with improving your metabolic health for another year or two. Give it a chance. The choice however remains yours.
If you are going to buy such gifts, a colour preference should be taken in to consideration. @JDreamer you know this mang :)
@JKX
Quality posts man! I totally agree with not posting pictures. Even when you do post them, people will say "oh you never had enough in the first place", or "the lighting isn't good enough in the first picture.
Ehhhhhhhh only on the questionable photos.
It's your right not to post them and some of the reasons make intellectual sense. However, it DOES create more suspicion as there is no greater proof than actual, tangible VISUAL evidence for something that is so hard to do. It's the age of the internet and social media where you can say anything you want without requiring proof.
Who cares if people are suspicious. Nobody here is selling anything.
We're trying to further the discussion on hair loss, and move towards real solutions. As @JKX wrote above, this is all incredibly complex, and unique to everyone. Another reason to not post pictures is that then you get spammed with tons of comments and pm's with guys asking about a "protocol".
Ehhhhhhhh only on the questionable photos.
It's your right not to post them and some of the reasons make intellectual sense. However, it DOES create more suspicion as there is no greater proof than actual, tangible VISUAL evidence for something that is so hard to do. It's the age of the internet and social media where you can say anything you want without requiring proof.
Who cares if people are suspicious. Nobody here is selling anything.
We're trying to further the discussion on hair loss, and move towards real solutions. As @JKX wrote above, this is all incredibly complex, and unique to everyone. Another reason to not post pictures is that then you get spammed with tons of comments and pm's with guys asking about a "protocol".
Totall agree with this. There are multiple solutions to hair loss, but the only true solution is to improve metabolism to the point where your body regenerates faster than it breaks down. This is a constant, ever changing life long battle.
Unfortunately, there is no defined 'protocol' which will work for everyone to achieve this. There are simply things that will improve metabolism and things which will hinder metabolism in the context of the specific stressors an individual is being subjected to.
Ray's work is the only 'protocol' I have ever read which attempts to achieve this goal.