Dan W
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I thought this would be of interest to people here. Kevin's contact info is at the end of the message.
Kevin said:Hey folks,
Like many of you my wife and I have been struggling with digestion issues, kidney issues, inflammation and weight loss issues and we thought we would share this information.
I was introduced to this post by HAIDUT in a private forum (Meander Towards Greatness by Zachariah Salazar) Amino Acid Supplementation For People With Poor Digestion
The concept is to replace all or some of your protein intake to create a massive reduction in ammonia load. The reason being that most of the protein we consume is converted into ammonia in the process. So the intent is to replace it in part or in whole for a period of time to assist healing. BCAA’s and amino’s in their pure form are 99.99% bioavailable. Consider the fact that protein bioavailability is as follows; eggs 45%, dairy 30%, meats 25%, and plant based proteins are less than 15%. You can see that the balance of between 55-85% of the protein is lost to ammonia. With this ratio of amino acids, we can replace the protein we use and get zero ammonia. That is a significant reduction in systemic load.
Like most here I’m constantly trying to improve my health and would really like to take off the 20+ lbs I’m still trying to take off of the 40+ I put on trying to follow and learn from Ray’s work.
Zach or course always tries stuff on himself first to make sure its ok and to be honest his results based on Haidut’s post were nothing short of incredible. To be fair he is always implementing Ray’s work so there are many moving parts but in his own words, “it's parts of many things working within Meander Towards Greatness. That my 20lbs weight loss was 5 lbs 1st day (assuming inflammation, water) and 15lbs over another 3 weeks. The weight loss is thought to be from less inflammation, no ammonia, less total calories while meeting protein, carbs and fat needs and keeping a good temp and pulse. Maintained eating liver mousse, oysters, juice, cheese and leafy broth for trace nutrients. Won't use it forever just to hit goals, while traveling, reduce ammonia and then just intermittently. No guarantees…”
So after I read this and discussed his experience with him I decided to initially order enough to trial for a month. I decided to start at 32.4g of total Amino supplementation and this 32.4g is a complete protein replacement equivalent to 100g of dairy (30% BioAvailable), slight more of meats (25% Bio).
I actually haven’t figured out yet how much I would need to fully replace my protein requirements but I estimate its somewhere between 130-180g of food protein or as much as 50g of amino complex.
I predominantly used it while traveling to avoid crappy foods and as a supplement rather than a full replacement. Although not causation many of my symptoms improved, better sleep, weight loss, better recovery, improvements in temp & pulse, and better libido. All my blood markers improved as well but that is something I only test every 3-6 months so I can’t say for certain that the aminos impacted those tests.
Anyways my biggest complaint was that I chose to use powders to save money and they all taste horrible. I find that a huge disincentive to using them 3-6x per day depending on how many meals you have. It’s worse for my wife has the nose and taste buds of a blood hound and she couldn’t stomach them. So this time my wife and I ordered all capsules from Nutribio, which has very similar pricing mg for mg with the other suppliers like BulkSupplements. We used the closest dosages possible per capsule and bought enough to provide a double dose per day for 30 days, or 64.8g of aminos the equivalent of 200g of dairy.
The only amino consistently unavailable in capsules is Threonine. The price turned out to be $344 USD + another almost $60 to Canada. Who knows if we’ll get a duty charge as well. So that is $172/month for each of us to fully replace 200g equivalent of protein per day or about $6/day.
In reality that will last my wife 2 months if she didn’t eat any other source of protein and used the recommended dose of 32.4g/day. That would cost less than $3/day or $1/meal. All-in-all relatively cheap yet still not very convenient because they need to be counted out in “meal” baggies with the threonine powdered added.
I can’t tell you how much I hate that considering I need to do that 180 times for each month.
With necessity the mother of invention and laziness the father you can guess which one motivated me.
I’ve sourced a quality US supplier that will provide certificates of analysis for each amino and who will blend the proper ratio into each capsule and package it in 1800 capsule bags. This is enough to provide 32.4g/day per person for 2 months, or 64.8g/day per person for 30 days. The product is high quality and excipient free.
This brings the price down to around $100-110/person per month at 64.8g of aminos. That is around 58% of the price my wife and I paid from Nutribio. Mind you they have great packaging.
The issue is that to get this price we need to do a single purchase of nearly 370,400 capsules or nearly $20,000 USD worth before shipping to me. I obviously do not need 205 months of amino acids.
So I am proposing to share the savings with anyone that is interested, I need 205 orders (of 1800 capsules each) prepaid at 75%, I’ll cover the 25% balance and any discrepancy in shipping of the order. I will then ship the aminos to you once you pay the outstanding balance and shipping.
I currently have 47 orders from within the Meander to Greatness group, so we need another 155 orders to make this happen.
For the record I am located in Kelowna, BC, Canada. At this point this is not a business just a trial run. However, if it goes well and people like it I will consider making it a full time product.
If you are interested send me your details via FB message or at my personal email address [email protected] and I will put you on a list and once I have the request orders I will collect the money and order it. Or if you know someone that night be interested please share with them, it will allow us to leverage the purchasing power of a group.