My bad.janus said:broccoli.tara said:brocolli. :)
I wondered about that, and searched several spelling variants, and even thought I'd looked it up in a dictionary to check, and still got it wrong.
1 large stalk broccoli/280g: 0.5g PUFA
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My bad.janus said:broccoli.tara said:brocolli. :)
pboy said:yea they are super nutritious and are dense enough to always be satisfying, but the problem is they have the skins that have tannins, saponins, and other irritants, and indigestible sugars, and have a lot of resistant starch. Humans are not supposed to be ruminaters, and things that produce gas are the equivalent and go hand in hand with endotoxin...it kind of ruins mood and hormones. Lil bit of beans at night might not be the worse thing but I don't know why you would unless you needed to. They are pretty solid nutritionally and have low methionine protein...I cant hate on them because truth is we live in a world that isn't quite ready for how many people there is for everyone to eat optimally yet, and I see beans as better than grains nutrition wise, they wont give diabetes and are nearly neutral in terms of acid balance and all that. I think mung dal in India are the only beans sold and eaten commonly that are shelled like a refined grain is, and potentially if people got smart and started refining other beans they would be much more tolerable and non mutagenic and less gassy, while still very nutritious.
So yea I cant recommend them, but...for a lot of people they are for sure better than freezing, starving, or eating incomplete food that leads to disease. Beans might not be fun, and be gassy, and even irritating or constipating in too high an amount, but at least they'll keep people alive, somewhat warm, and relatively healthy (not optimally).
I don't eat em, if you're smart, even on a budget you can eat complete without beans and do better but most people aren't as informed, savy, don't know how to...don't really know much or have nutrition tables and all that. It is what it is
BingDing said:Green, leafy vegetables are really healthy...so long as a cow or a goat detoxifies them first!
I strongly disagree with the notion that PUFAs in whole foods are any better than PUFAs in refined oil. The gut breaks everything down to molecules and the small intestine has a specialized mechanism to transport fat into the body. It does it one PUFA molecule at a time no matter how you eat them.
And the negative health consequences of PUFAs are enormous. Just the chain reaction of oxidative damage from free radicals is probably the main factor in arterial plaques; they are full of oxidized low density lipoproteins, LDLs. The lipo part of a lipoprotein is a fatty acid. Since saturated fatty acids are not oxidized, it is chemically impossible for dietary saturated fats to cause coronary artery disease.
The OP certainly can read more, IMO.
Nicholas said:Westside - dairy fat "absolutely" causing fat gain is not the same as what Peat says. I have been losing body fat while consuming whole milk, full fat cottage cheese, full fat cheeses, lots of butter, occasional ice cream, and 2% yogurt. This has been my experience, but of course does not mean that my experience is truth because everyone has their own set of variables.
Nicholas said:what is with all this nonsense about discussing what you can and can't eat?? eat vegetables if you wish - don't eat shellfish, eat however makes you feel best AND actually healthy. If your pulse and temp are optimal and steady throughout the day then you are doing something right. But your body is not static, so you have to constantly evolve with it. Nobody is evolving with their bodies needs, they are mindlessly following protocol diets. Then they get confused when they start feeling badly. Feeling badly is a good thing because it wakes you up to there being something that needs fixing. If your body is using oxidative metabolism to function then there is nothing to change for the moment. But is it? I do eat veggies: onion, zucchini, garlic, parsnips, scallions, herbs, potatoes, carrots, turnips, raw spinach, arugula, and occasionally fennel. The above ground vegetables i eat sparingly. It is anti-Peat to say that he is against vegetables - he simply puts out the information and enlightens us overall that every food in nature is both negative and positive but nothing is evil.
Trust not in scientific studies or what people say in forums. Scientific studies are not the realm of the practitioner, which is what you have to be for your own body. Look into the Clara Davis study if you haven't already to get an idea of how we don't need scientific studies or even Ray Peat to be self-practitioners. The biggest challenge is not in not knowing enough about nutrition, etc. but in not knowing how to read your own body and interpret it and let it be the dictator.
Nicholas said:Westside - dairy fat "absolutely" causing fat gain is not the same as what Peat says. I have been losing body fat while consuming whole milk, full fat cottage cheese, full fat cheeses, lots of butter, occasional ice cream, and 2% yogurt. This has been my experience, but of course does not mean that my experience is truth because everyone has their own set of variables.
Westside PUFAs said:Nicholas said:Westside - dairy fat "absolutely" causing fat gain is not the same as what Peat says. I have been losing body fat while consuming whole milk, full fat cottage cheese, full fat cheeses, lots of butter, occasional ice cream, and 2% yogurt. This has been my experience, but of course does not mean that my experience is truth because everyone has their own set of variables.
Skype with me so I can see your fat loss.
Westside PUFAs said:BingDing said:In one of the Herb Doctor interviews, Sarah asked Peat what his number one health recommendation is and he said "Don't eat oils."
gretchen said:This is great advice. I ate a lot of olive oil in the 2000s, about a tablespoon a day. I didn't gain weight, but after about ten years started noticing blood sugar issues and even once had heart pain. I wouldn't touch a bottle of it if you paid me.
jyb said:Nicholas said:Westside - dairy fat "absolutely" causing fat gain is not the same as what Peat says. I have been losing body fat while consuming whole milk, full fat cottage cheese, full fat cheeses, lots of butter, occasional ice cream, and 2% yogurt. This has been my experience, but of course does not mean that my experience is truth because everyone has their own set of variables.
Well it works out okay on entire populations. There are many example of places in Europe where people eat *a lot* of the foods you mentioned. Whole dairy products and varied animal cuts can be pretty traditional. They are slim and no, they don't go to the gym or do take special measures to shed calories.
Tom said:jyb said:Nicholas said:Westside - dairy fat "absolutely" causing fat gain is not the same as what Peat says. I have been losing body fat while consuming whole milk, full fat cottage cheese, full fat cheeses, lots of butter, occasional ice cream, and 2% yogurt. This has been my experience, but of course does not mean that my experience is truth because everyone has their own set of variables.
Well it works out okay on entire populations. There are many example of places in Europe where people eat *a lot* of the foods you mentioned. Whole dairy products and varied animal cuts can be pretty traditional. They are slim and no, they don't go to the gym or do take special measures to shed calories.
Data from a 100 years ago suggested that people had all sorts of different macronutrient balances, but overweight was relatively rare. I think one could make the case for high starch being very fattening if consumed in excess, in the sense that it will lead to high blood sugar followed by fat storage. The Japanese Sumo wrestlers are fed according to one estimate 5000 calories but only around 10% of energy as fats. But sure dairy fat can also be fattening in excess, but it may be related to lack of other nutrients needed to burn the fat. It seems like whole milk isn´t really fattening in itself because it provides those nutrients, while cheese could be another story. Full fat milk in conjunction with starch may be fattening, while low fat milk in conjunction with starch may not.
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@Westside PUFAs - What's your current opinion on beans?
Deep!I like em.