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Have you experimented with thyroid hormone yet?
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Just those average ones doctors prescribe.Have you experimented with thyroid hormone yet?
I see! Are you from Germany aswell? Quite impossible to get a T3/T4 mix here as they always give T4 only.Just those average ones doctors prescribe.
i had to fight to get it, but it didn’t change anything for me.
And I’m a bit scared to play with hormones on my own.
Yes, Germany.I see! Are you from Germany aswell? Quite impossible to get a T3/T4 mix here as they always give T4 only.
Have you asked Ray about this issue via email?
Even though I think the most likely answer would be making sure your vitamin D is ~50ng/ml, having good calcium:phosphate ratio, thyroid supplementation, use of intestinal disinfectants.
So what I meant is that what I said will probably be Ray‘s answer, not necessarily my opinion on what is the answer to your specific problem. :)i will.
What disinfectants?
Can you share your diet including liquids? What additional supplements (besides zinc/copper)? What are your symptoms?
I'm just concerned that supplemental zinc will interfere with your copper levels. When I was getting zinc overdose symptoms (from supplemental) my blood zinc levels were not that high. And my copper was borderline low like 1 point away.
Also, you might have already stated, but have you ever had your levels checked without any zinc/copper supplements so you have a baseline?
Easy to buy both T3 and T4 separate tho, even here in GermanyI see! Are you from Germany aswell? Quite impossible to get a T3/T4 mix here as they always give T4 only.
Yeah? Where?Easy to buy both T3 and T4 separate tho, even here in Germany
@LauriePartridgeI have had immediate responses to both but only positive with copper for histamine reduction. I found I had to supplement with copper daily for a very long time and even missing a day would set me back. It is a co factor for DAO which breaks down histamine. It does take a lot of trial and error to figure out the right balance at various times. I just do not like zinc supplementation and favor copper (but I get a lot of zinc in my diet). I have never had positive responses from supplementing with zinc and find doing so makes my histamine reactions worse and gives me hypo symptoms. When I did supplement zinc, I had to have a ratio of about 1 mg of copper for every 5 mgs of zinc. But I no longer supplement either and feel extremely well. My histamine problems are really subsiding. Getting enough B6 was crucial for me and avoiding oxalates in managing my symptoms. But it really is so individual. I also was folate deficient (in diet) so fixing that is really helping.
Hi sorry for the late response!! I try to go by daily intakes with B's just because they don't get stored like the fat solubles A, D, K, E.Thanks so much for your quick response and great information. You have not only studied up well, but your explanation is very easy for me to understand. Histamines are a very confusing subject to unwind.
I have underestimated what can happen with too many Bs. Like you, I always believed because they are water-soluble, what you didn't need you peed out. Good reminder that less may be more, and even none may be better than less! I read a little about B6 and folate in foods and it seems I get a fair amount on a weekly basis in my diet. Would weekly diet be a better gauge for intake than daily intake?
May I ask what vitamins or minerals you supplement on a regular basis? How do you best determine what and how much of each to take? Do you supplement with a B complex?
I appreciate your comments on the relationship between oxalates, histamine, and mineral deficiencies. I will have to read up on the foods that are high-oxalate as a reminder.
To summarize, what generally that is Peat-friendly do you try to incorporate into your diet on a regular basis to cover B6, folate, minerals, low oxalate?
How do you use the vitamin e? Orally or topically?Hi sorry for the late response!! I try to go by daily intakes with B's just because they don't get stored like the fat solubles A, D, K, E.
I supplement with magnesium malate every day and some of Idealabs topical magnesium which I really like. I take a little B1 just because I have trouble getting enough in my diet. I also have niacinamide some times but in very low amounts as too much had a scary, negative effect on me. That's it for the Bs. And I use Idealabs TocoVit (vit E) which is excellent and has been a lifesaver. I also have topical A from Idealabs which I use only occasionally and topical Vit D from Idealabs which I use even less.
With magnesium malate (Seeking Health) daily at least 125 to 250 mgs but sometimes as much as 500 mgs. If I take a lot of Vit D or vit A, I need more magnesium. If my D is low, I don't. D really depletes magnesium. I get D from the sun now and haven't figured out what to do for the winter yet. I really don't like supplementing D as it just seems too strong at times giving a serotonin like reaction. But I definitely need it so I try to eat pastured eggs which are 4 to 5 times higher in D than regular. Low magnesium symptoms are trouble falling asleep, twitching and muscle pain/cramps particularly in my toes. I like the malate because I can't tolerate glycinate, and the citrate form is not good for oxalates as Vit C increases oxalates.
I use B1 just according to my daily intake. I only use a very little (from Pure Bulk) to make up for what I am missing in my diet. Same with B3.
Vit A is difficult for me to figure out. I try to go by how much D I am getting. Too much of one without the other causes hypo symptoms and histamine problems. But for the summer, I seem to do well enough with grass-fed dairy fat for my source of A. Like cream, butter, milk and cheese, especially parmesan cheese and pastured egg yolks. Chicken livers are excellent but I can build up too much A with them so I'm limiting them for now. I judge how much A I need by how I feel and how much D I am getting. It's similar to what others have posted like 3:1 or 5:1 ratio of A to D. I'm trying to get my D level in the high 40s and then I'll supplement maybe 500 or 1000 mgs daily or every other day depending on how I feel. But I will increase it if I start to get a lot of respiratory infections because when it gets low I get sick a lot. Also Vit E really balances A - so I take about 100 IUs daily and more if I feel like I have too much A and I need it to calm down.
I consume non homogenized grass-fed A2 milk - and use the cream to make butter or ice cream or custard. I eat a few pastured egg yolks daily (which are supposed to have a good amount of folate than average). I eat an ataulfo mango daily when I can because it's reported to give 70% folate per serving. Chicken livers are excellent for folate. I eat fresh pineapple and sometimes banana for folate and b6. I eat habanero peppers and some red bell pepper for C and they are low in oxalates. I also eat cooked peeled apples and spaghetti squash and white rice with butter and parmesan cheese. And chives for sulfur (in addition to eggs) which help with oxalates. And cottage cheese. I like to eat steak daily and sometimes pork loin (for Bs) and I will eat shrimp and oysters too. But lately a lot of steak because I don't think shrimp is very high in B6. I was drinking a lot of cocoa with homemade marshmallows (made with gelatin) but I think there are too many problems with cocoa so I've stopped for now. Same with OJ.
Also low folate symptoms are hangnails for me.
I don't mean to monopolize this thread but I hope the info helps.
Also I don't react well to a lot of D because when it increases calcium absorption it possibly lowers calcium levels in the gut needed for binding oxalates which also is why too much D increases histamine for me. And glycine and hydroxyproline can turn into oxalate in sensitive people and I find gelatin which is high in both and any kind of glycine seem to increase histamine and make me feel worse. But cocoa is super high in oxalates and so I'm giving it up for that reason and for the high level of polyphenols that can affect thyroid.Hi sorry for the late response!! I try to go by daily intakes with B's just because they don't get stored like the fat solubles A, D, K, E.
I supplement with magnesium malate every day and some of Idealabs topical magnesium which I really like. I take a little B1 just because I have trouble getting enough in my diet. I also have niacinamide some times but in very low amounts as too much had a scary, negative effect on me. That's it for the Bs. And I use Idealabs TocoVit (vit E) which is excellent and has been a lifesaver. I also have topical A from Idealabs which I use only occasionally and topical Vit D from Idealabs which I use even less.
With magnesium malate (Seeking Health) daily at least 125 to 250 mgs but sometimes as much as 500 mgs. If I take a lot of Vit D or vit A, I need more magnesium. If my D is low, I don't. D really depletes magnesium. I get D from the sun now and haven't figured out what to do for the winter yet. I really don't like supplementing D as it just seems too strong at times giving a serotonin like reaction. But I definitely need it so I try to eat pastured eggs which are 4 to 5 times higher in D than regular. Low magnesium symptoms are trouble falling asleep, twitching and muscle pain/cramps particularly in my toes. I like the malate because I can't tolerate glycinate, and the citrate form is not good for oxalates as Vit C increases oxalates.
I use B1 just according to my daily intake. I only use a very little (from Pure Bulk) to make up for what I am missing in my diet. Same with B3.
Vit A is difficult for me to figure out. I try to go by how much D I am getting. Too much of one without the other causes hypo symptoms and histamine problems. But for the summer, I seem to do well enough with grass-fed dairy fat for my source of A. Like cream, butter, milk and cheese, especially parmesan cheese and pastured egg yolks. Chicken livers are excellent but I can build up too much A with them so I'm limiting them for now. I judge how much A I need by how I feel and how much D I am getting. It's similar to what others have posted like 3:1 or 5:1 ratio of A to D. I'm trying to get my D level in the high 40s and then I'll supplement maybe 500 or 1000 mgs daily or every other day depending on how I feel. But I will increase it if I start to get a lot of respiratory infections because when it gets low I get sick a lot. Also Vit E really balances A - so I take about 100 IUs daily and more if I feel like I have too much A and I need it to calm down.
I consume non homogenized grass-fed A2 milk - and use the cream to make butter or ice cream or custard. I eat a few pastured egg yolks daily (which are supposed to have a good amount of folate than average). I eat an ataulfo mango daily when I can because it's reported to give 70% folate per serving. Chicken livers are excellent for folate. I eat fresh pineapple and sometimes banana for folate and b6. I eat habanero peppers and some red bell pepper for C and they are low in oxalates. I also eat cooked peeled apples and spaghetti squash and white rice with butter and parmesan cheese. And chives for sulfur (in addition to eggs) which help with oxalates. And cottage cheese. I like to eat steak daily and sometimes pork loin (for Bs) and I will eat shrimp and oysters too. But lately a lot of steak because I don't think shrimp is very high in B6. I was drinking a lot of cocoa with homemade marshmallows (made with gelatin) but I think there are too many problems with cocoa so I've stopped for now. Same with OJ.
Also low folate symptoms are hangnails for me.
I don't mean to monopolize this thread but I hope the info helps.