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It's a mistake not to take edemium and chlorrorine into account:@Amazoniac @Amarsh213 How do we reconcile this statement?
"You will likely immediately scoff that salt is neutral in pH and is not metabolized to anything that is acid—and you would be right. Nonetheless, research has clearly shown that—happily reversibly—NaCl accounts for 50% of the net acidity of the average American diet"
Sodium is alkaline, chlorine is acid, and the PRAL equation does not factor in NaCl because it is thus considered neutral. Clearly though, the chlorine seems especially acidic or starts some sort of acid cascade, if the above statement from the base post is true?
Thank youIt's a mistake not to take edemium and chlorrorine into account:
- Alkalinity Vs Acidity 2012, KMUD : The Herb Doctors
Sodium Chloride is not and accounts for the acidity. It has a crazy high absorption rate is in everything/everywhere.@Amazoniac @Amarsh213 How do we reconcile this statement?
"You will likely immediately scoff that salt is neutral in pH and is not metabolized to anything that is acid—and you would be right. Nonetheless, research has clearly shown that—happily reversibly—NaCl accounts for 50% of the net acidity of the average American diet"
Sodium is alkaline, chlorine is acid, and the PRAL equation does not factor in NaCl because it is thus considered neutral. Clearly though, the chlorine seems especially acidic or starts some sort of acid cascade, if the above statement from the base post is true?
Interesting.In Northern Japan sodium intake is as high as 18g per day on average in that region.
The question of what to give in a hospital setting can get complicated fast vs what is practical and time tested. All IV fluids have their potential problems but they are convenient and super easy to control and allow one to keep an IV open to rapidly give medications if needed. All of the various IV hydration fluids can fallout of suspension and crystalize in the body in places you do not want. You also have storage issues and convince.
The body no matter if it is via IV or oral route the body does not absorb much of the water you drink. Adding sodium chloride increases the rate at which the body will take the fluid up some even if you are not low on electrolytes initially.
As long as your kidneys are working right most people can handle increased sodium with little fuss especialy over the short term.
Only 1 person out 1000 people with hypertension have sodium sensitive hypertension so it is beyond ignorant, foolish and dangerous to preach "low sodium". Making sure people are low on sodium over their lifetime is a great way to set them up for diabetes and auto immune disease. Even your stomach acid and gastric juices depend on adequate and consistent intake of sodium. It is true that the body will fight to hold on to sodium it has it's limits.
Outside of my cup of tea and one cup of coffee I drink each day all of the water I drink per day which is about a gallon of water a day most days more in the Summer are all salted. For the last 8 years I can count on one hand the number of times I have drank water that does not have electrolytes in them. Into one gallon of water I mix 1-2 teaspoons of sodium chloride usually 1 during the Winter 2 during the Summer, 1 teaspoon potassium chloride, 1/2 teaspoon magnesium citrate, 1/3 teaspoon magnesium sulphate, 1/8th teaspoon borax, 1/32 teaspoon chelated zinc and once in a while 1/4 teaspoon sodium bicarb. I always take water with me on the road and only when I am going to be away for more than a day do I drink plain water. I have been doing this for about 8 years now and my blood work is great.
I feel so much better since I started doing this compared with before. I know I should work on getting my ratio of Magnesium and Potassium up in relationship to my sodium.
Generally when people have issues with sodium sensitivity it is normally a combination of chronic dehydration and sodium levels that less than ideal. If you try to raise them too fast you typically see swelling edema all over but especially in the legs, hands and feet. This assumes kidneys, heart, lungs are all working correctly. The trick to fixing this is to be slow, methodical and consistent So you would take an extra 2oz of water per day with just a pinch of salt added to it each day for a week or two over your normal intake. After say 2 weeks of that you would add an additional 2oz. Next week 3 times a day do that. Next week increase those 3 2oz servings with 3oz serving etc......You slowly titrate things. Before you know it you might for instance be drinking 1 extra gallon of water a day with a teaspoon of salt of your choice.
These are just my personal observations as they relate to me your mileage will vary. I did everything as I was taught growing up according to conventional Western Medicine and was a national and international athlete and ended up broken and diabetic with hypertension. So going the opposite direction of what I was taught has been in attempting to fix myself. Not fixed yet I am a work in progress but I can say with out a doubt that I am better now than I was with conventional thinking!
Funny though because conventional wisdom says I should be worse not better. How can someone live on salty water for 8 years??? I spent a week on regular water after my father in law died recently and I was fine as well.
When I was in the hospital with a nasty infection in my leg from 2 rusty nail punctures I was not getting my electrolyte water and was fine and all of my labs outside of what was going on due to infection were fine. You wait and see though people will object to what I have said her as if I am telling people to drink arsenic or hemlock! My labs prove it is fine and yet they will take issue with it. I also salt my food generously and I have only just managed to break into what is considered normal sodium level I only just make the bare minimum.
If you are not acidic because you have good sugar metabolism, you don't need Buteyko. Poor sugar metabolism begets an acidic internal environment because plenty of metabolic acids such as lactic and keto acids are produced instead of CO2, which is a vital part of the body's system of buffering its pH. CO2 can be made into carbonic acid to increase acidity and into bicarbonate to increase its alkalinity. Lacking CO2 and having a lot of lactic and keto acids is a prescription for an acid base imbalance that creates an environment for disease.So, is Buteyko-style breathing that involves suspending the breath (attention I didn't say holding) is globally negative because it puts organs and tissues in an acidic environment? CO2 is needed to transport oxygen and thus avoid hypoxia.
Thank you
If you are not acidic because you have good sugar metabolism, you don't need Buteyko. Poor sugar metabolism begets an acidic internal environment because plenty of metabolic acids such as lactic and keto acids are produced instead of CO2, which is a vital part of the body's system of buffering its pH. CO2 can be made into carbonic acid to increase acidity and into bicarbonate to increase its alkalinity. Lacking CO2 and having a lot of lactic and keto acids is a prescription for an acid base imbalance that creates an environment for disease.
Buteyko is not for people already healthy from good sugar metabolism. It is for people who do not know how to have a good sugar metabolism either by ignorance either from not knowing about his poor sugar metabolism or from not knowing how to improve his sugar metabolism to a tolerable if not optimal state.
That said, Buteyko is helpful if practiced correctly for such people. The increase in acidity in the blood from increasing CO2 in the blood (in the form of carbonic acid) should not be too much that it tips one from acidosis into acidemia which can easily become an ER event. Hence, there is a need to be properly trained in Buteyko.
That said, how Buteyko makes one improve his acid base balance is by causing the temporary increase in acidity from a session of Buteyko to eventually be resolved by the kidneys. The kidneys will excrete the excess acidity in the form of lactic and keto acids. In this way, the carbonic acid in the blood that came about from practicing Buteyko is still retained, while the lactic and keto acid in blood is lessened.
This way, if Buteyko is practiced regularly as in daily, gradually the acidity in blood will be heavily influenced more by the carbonic acid content than by the lactic and keto acid content (also have to consider effect of food intake and of drugs and supplements for sure).
With a large amount of carbonic acid content in blood, it is much easier for the body to lower it's acidity when needed as it's merely a matter of excreting the excess carbonic acid thru the lungs by breathing it out in the form of CO2 as a gas. The lungs is a rapid response system while the kidneys is a slow response way of the body in regulating acid base balance.
There is more to this than a long post like this would cover, but I hope you get the idea.
Can you expand on that? How does salt affect your urination?im not gonna lie, stopping salt make my bladder feel way better... but daaamn i like salt on my potatoes
Siema!Can you expand on that? How does salt affect your urination?
Have you tried salt lite?
Siemka, siemkaSiema!
Chloride is acidic and I have had the same problem with magnesium chloride, chloride seems to be irritating my bladder and makes me feel urgency even with little urine in my bladder, I'm talking about waking up 6 times at night, which was wrecking me. It has been the second day without any salt intake and I sleep longer between awakening and feel no often urges to go to pee.
Before that, I excluded all potential bladder irritants (coffee, cacao powder etc) without any improvements.
Didn't try salt lite, but would like to know if there is salt with less chloride in it.