Yes, it was. Almost had it taken out.
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Yes, it was. Almost had it taken out.
RP thinks PTH should be at the lower end of normal. What was your PTH?
RP mentioned that low thyroid with high estrogen causes gallbladder
to not fully contract. That is one of the cause mentioned in a youtube video
on causes of gallbladdder attack and stones.I can not find the video
i watched yesterday. There is a higher rate of gallbladder problem in female and
particularly in females taking birth control pills. So, estrogen link is established.
Low thyroid means high estrogen and all other hormones and substance of
stress system. I think your 2nd guess is more applicable here.
1-2 weeks of hypothyroidism with TSH 40+ can causes all the
problematic hormones to rise and weaken your whole system.
That fatty meal was just the trigger.
I believe in SIBO and i use Peaty foods like coconut oil, carrot salad,
low dose antibiotic and low starch and fiber intake to manage that.
I can call it a " Anti Fungal protocol". Pau D'arco and Caprylic acid
seems peaty. But, raw starch can be problematic. We had this
discussion of resistant starch increasing endotoxin. I think i posted
a study showing raw potato starch increased endotoxin.
I can see how resistant starch improving bowel
movement by increasing water content and volume.
If endotoxin increase and hypoythoiroid state coincides
there is a risk of intense reaction. I used triphala
for a long time before peating and it was very helpful
for allergy. Quality of triphala seems to vary a lot.
Used to have bad issues with gall bladder over several years. Would get these excruciating pains and whenever I went to the doctors/ER they would just say I was constipated and send me off. We are talking about pain where I would have loved to die instead of suffering more, but in too much pain to commit suicide.
When they finally discovered it was gall stones they wanted to remove the gallbladder but I refused. For two years I used ACV and for the most part kept off the worst pains. It wasn't perfect though and I ended up in severe pain late last year. Then I discovered that for myself high vitamin C is very good at preventing pains. Got the idea after reading that female hormones tend to deplete vitamin C faster(usually related to HRT). After that I started taking 1-3 grams of Vitamin C if I felt like I was getting gallbladder issues and no issue. 2-3 times I was feeling a gallbladder attack coming big time and I took vitamin C and 15 minutes later I feel like something relaxed within my gallbladder area and the pain went away.
Now I always have on hand 1 gram Vitamin C capsules(keep them in a box for chewing gum) wherever I go and I have been relatively free of issues for a year now.
We are talking about pain where I would have loved to die instead of suffering more, but in too much pain to commit suicide.
I got real bad gallbladder attacks from Olive Oil (in the form of hummus) one time. There used to be a really wonderful cafe where I lived, owned by a Jewish family. They made the best hummus, smothered in delicious real olive oil. I ate a bunch of it and that's when I really triggered my gallbladder pains and made me realize I had an actual problem. It felt like a knife stabbing me in the side.
I would continue to monitor your pain and accompanying symptoms. My friend was having gallbladder pains and went for a colonoscopy and endoscopy and she notice the pain went completely away after having her system flushed out. You might just need to take a good laxative and clear things out a bit to help relieve the pains.
Anyhow, Alfredo sauce would definitely send me into digestive mayhem (although, sometimes it's worth it!) I also eat a lot of cheese and don't have troubles with it, so long as I keep regular and take my Ox Bile.
Best wishes to you!! Hope you are feeling better soon :)
I've read stories of people being happy to have done some of those cleanses, but I also get the impression there can be some risk. I think it basically works by making the liver (and gall bladder?) go into spasm.that I don't want to attempt something like one of those "Gallbladder Cleanses" ("here's one weird trick!..."),
because I don't know what's in there--in my gallbladder, I mean.
If there like 100 stones, or if there a giant stone...seems like a bad idea
Were your measurements at various times of day?My friend said 5.75 wasn't so good--should ideally be higher, like up in the mid-6's.
I believe Peat might've said similar...?
Glad you made it through and solved that one!Used to have bad issues with gall bladder over several years.
Were your measurements at various times of day?
If they were all first thing in the morning, that might not be so representative. If they were various other times, I'd agree with your friend, based on both Reams and Peat's ideas.
I'd count that as an improvement. Unless your subjective senses tell you otherwise.Then it changed, and it has stayed changed,
though it has moved up and down, between 6 and 7, averaging about 6.25-6.50
Not quite as locked in at one number as it was previously for a month or two at 5.75
Thank you for that, SG!
I've been trying all sorts of weird stuff lately--by "weird" I guess I mean, mostly, UnPeatish.
Vitamin C falls under that kind of weird heading, for me.
But weirdo that I am lately, I'm up for it!
What kind/brand do you recommend?
The only kind I have a little experience with, long ago, was...I think it was called "Alacier" or something...?
It comes in the little packages as a fizz-making powder one adds to a beverage/water.
I guess my strategy, at this point, is
that I don't want to attempt something like one of those "Gallbladder Cleanses" ("here's one weird trick!..."),
because I don't know what's in there--in my gallbladder, I mean.
If there like 100 stones, or if there a giant stone...seems like a bad idea
(although I might be up for it at some point).
So...I am just wanting to kinda control any further attacks/spasms/stone passing, if possible,
for a while, as I investigate further.
Seems like you've used the Vit C effectively for that.
And did you say you also had some success with ACV, or was that someone else...?
I used to do ACV at first and for a while it worked great. The problem was that with time I felt like I had to use stronger and stronger mixes of ACV and felt like I was ******* up with my stomach(too much acid). Then one day it stopped working properly and the pain came back. Then I went scouring for all the tricks(eat ton of green apples etc) until I gave up and bought Vitamin C and used a high dose. Then voila, the pain went away 15 minutes later and I was rather dumbfounded by the experience. Especially since I tried high dose vitamin C before that I never felt any benefits from(in relation to other issues).
What worked for me was the NOW Vitamin C in capsules, not tablet form. Feels like the capsules don't need as much stomach acid to break down compared to the tablets and therefore works as they do. Not going to claim it is the best supplement or additive free, but I'd rather risk additives than get that pain again. To my surprise the vitamin C also helped a lot with edema, stomach bloating, and digestion which has made me a stringent Vitamin C fan. Basically a lot of health issues resolved to the better after I starting taking these capsules on a semi-regular basis. My guess is that the fruit we get back here in Iceland is just of shitty quality and not providing enough Vitamin C or something to that effect because I never had these benefits eating a lot of fruit.
The most common side effect is diarrhea when taking to high a dose of Vitamin C, but I discovered that my bowel tolerance has increased substantially with use. I have taken up to 3 grams in one dose(something that used to give me issues) and I have no problems.
Regarding Vitamin C supplements that you mix in water I have found mixed results. Too often they mix it with stuff like Sorbitol or xylitol and that is guaranteed to give me strange runs.
I would be very curious to see if this Vitamin C supplementation helps others. Just to see if this was a fluke with me or not.
I'd count that as an improvement. Unless your subjective senses tell you otherwise.
hypothyroid state causes loss of alkaline mineral and
body maintain it's serum alkalinity by excreting more
acidic element in the urine. You started NDT around the
time you had gallbladder attack. It is possibly NDT
improving your ability to retain alkaline minerals.
Thank you, SG!
I will look into Vit C options.
When you did the ACV...how did you take it?
I mean: straight? or mix with water? any sweetener or anything? about how much?
Ah Iceland.
I sometimes look at the map and see it up there
and wonder what the hell it's all about...:)
Thank you for that, linday.
You know, I've been eating a lot of hummus lately!--
and after years of not eating any.
I've been liking the Ox Bile,
but as I said the stuff I got has other digestive stuff like peppermint and papain, etc.
Do you take just Ox Bile?
Any brand you prefer?
I would suggest keeping Ox Bile on hand. It should help with the Gallbladder pains when they come on, as it should lighten the burden of both the gallbladder and the liver and keep things digesting. However, I've only used Ox Bile since having my gallbladder removed, so I'm not sure how it would help with someone who has a gallbladder. You can also try doing a gallbladder flush.
I read somewhere that low fat diets are actually not great for the gallbladder because they cause it to get lazy, but this could be totally unfounded.
I'm sorry to hear about your gallbladder attack, narouz.
My cousin just had hers removed after a couple years of trying to hold onto it using ACV. Unfortunately, I didn't find out in time or else I would of suggested she look into having the stones broken up via ultrasound waves (Lithotripsy). Of course, it wouldn't have targeted the root cause, but at least she could of found relief without having to resort to surgery.
When I was having frequent gallbladder pains, Ray suggested belladonna to relax the gallbladder and some olive oil to trigger bile and the release of stones. I tried that for a while but was still having random pains so I took an herbal tincture of chanca piedra, also known as stone breaker, and so far so good. I haven't had an issue since. I don't know if that herb is Ray approved, though.
And +1 for Lindsay's ginger suggestion. Marshmallow root/leaf and ginger teas have all worked really well to calm an upset stomach when I've had one.
Hummus is so good! I don't blame you :) Maybe you could make it yourself, to regulate the amount of Oil? Or you could use Coconut Oil - I believe it doesn't require bile for digestion.
If you like the Ox Bile brand you have, that's great! Especially with the added Peppermint and Papain. I tried peppermint oil on it's own and found that it did not help digestion much. Ginger Oil is amazing though - my husband and I both use it for settling the stomach when needed.
The brand I use is NutriCology. It has one additive I'm not sure about, and then L-Leucine, which I liked that about it. I usually divide the capsules in half (they are 500 mg and cheaper than the 125 mg capsules) and take the half with meals with fat. If I'm eating a big meal or a giant steak, I go for a whole capsule :)
I had problems digesting a lot of proteins (especially eggs) until the Ox Bile, so I'm very grateful for it! I hope it will help for you! What brand are you using, out of curiosity? I'm always interested in trying new brands.