Makrosky
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If you want to huge increases in plasma and urinary estrone and estradiol; look no further than Figure 1, Figure 3, and Figure 5.
Figure 1:
(a) Increase of 25 ng/mL -> Is this a lot or not ?
(b) Increase almost unperceptible. 1 pg/mL ? I don't think this is relevant at all
(c) Increase in progesterone (I don't have to talk about it's protective and antiestrogenic effects, no?) of 0.1 ng/mL
The Figure 2 is more worrysome. It lowers testosterone ??? What the hell ?
Because if you consume no estrogen at all, you should eliminate the same amount that you produce.
(production rate) + (elimination rate) = o
If this weren't the case, you would have a net gain or loss of estrogen; levels would progressively change throughout time. Since plasma levels are similar in 20 year old's and 60 year-olds, we should assume this is true. Are we clear?
No we are not clear. I think it is normal to accumulate estrogen in tissues when the liver cannot deactivate all of it. So it is very well possible that you produce more endogenous estrogen than the one you can excrete. No? I think your formula is just not right. And you didn't answer: Where did you get the idea from ? This formula comes out of your specualtion ?
C'mon!! What I meant is that there is never gonna be a linear increase of plasma concentrations of a substance that you ingest. If you eat 35 grams of NaCl your blood is not going to hold 35 grams of NaCl. So there's no point comparing concentrations of estrogen in plasma and in milk. What did you want to say with that ? Maybe I didn't get it.Two tablespoons NaCl is 35 grams. Your blood pressure would increase substantially as the salt attracts water from the cells. Don't be silly.
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No. Clinical studies have shown significant extrogen plasma increases, and epidemiological studies have shown higher prostate cancer rates. For a primer on how milk is correlated with testicular cancer, look no further:
The first study you posted seems legit. Although the n was low and it was all Japanese, a culture with traditionally exceptionally low dairy consumption. And they use full fat milk with no other explanations on where it comes from. Four of the five women didn't regularly drink milk. Probably ot generating LACTASE to break down the huge ammount of lactose on the 600mL they had to drink. And so on. But ok, let's assume is legit.
This second one could be or could be not legit, I don't know. It doesn't have all the references, it's not published on a peer reviewed journal...
It is not a bad thing to read anyway... It draws attention to the fact that estrogen/progesterone content of XXI century milk is different than that from our ancestors because of farming practices. There's value of it.
MORE IMPORTANT : So this is all you have against dairy ? A n=7 (for men) study and something is not even published on a peer-reviewed journal ?
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