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Thanks Charlie! This is more specific, but I kinda liked the above one, too, which shows some earlier articles some might have missed. :)Charlie said:Direct link:
Carbon dioxide, glycation, and the protective effects of fructose
http://www.andrewkimblog.com/2013/01/ca ... ctive.html
Isadora said:This is not entirely on topic, but I have a nagging curiosity: why does Andrew Kim never mention Ray Peat in his writing? I may not be a scientist, but it seems pretty clear to me that his views are quite close to Peat's. Is it my imagination? I like reading him and it bothers me to keep perceiving RP echoes on his blog, while a local search on the man's name brings nothing much and Kim doesn't include any of Peat's books or at least articles on his "Recommended Reading" list...
Andrew Kim said:Hi Isadora,
I initially found Danny Roddy's website, and thereafter, Peat's site. I joined the general group on Facebook, like Birdie said on my behalf. If you're insinuating that I'm being less than honest and not giving credit where credit is due, I don't think you've read my blog closely enough.
Andrew Kim said:Of late, on the request of people, I've been writing extensively about sugar, starches, & fruit, and the position I've taken in writing these posts derive from my own experiences.
Dr. Peat did inspire me with regard to my stance on carbon dioxide, which I previously, like most people invariably do, thought of as a waste product, as well as the central role of energy generation. Danny Roddy has also pointed me to resources that I'd never been exposed to before in school. These ideas & concepts, in one way or another, have been threads that have run through my blog posts.
Andrew Kim said:I initially had a list of other Dr. Peat-inspired blogs as one of the tabs at the top of my blog but I replaced it with a "recommended reading" tab. I figure, if people want to know more about Dr. Peat's work, read his free articles, instead of summaries of it. The "recommended reading" tab has also assumed this position because it provides context for some of my free-flowing blog posts.
Andrew Kim said:But at this point, I don't think I need to point out the fact that my blog is Peat-inspired. Simply judging by the Peat-inspired blogs that have listed my blog as a resource, I think its obvious to most people by now.
Andrew Kim said:Anyway, if you feel I'm not giving credit where credit is due, or if you feel like I'm usurping undue license in the way I incorporate some of Dr. Peat's ideas, I'm sorry. In principle, I don't feel like I should be sprinkling Dr. Peat's name into my blog wherever I incorporate an idea of his, and frankly, I find it insulting that you'd make an insinuation that fringes on an accusation of plagiarism.
Isadora said:Andrew Kim said:Hi Isadora,
I initially found Danny Roddy's website, and thereafter, Peat's site. I joined the general group on Facebook, like Birdie said on my behalf. If you're insinuating that I'm being less than honest and not giving credit where credit is due, I don't think you've read my blog closely enough.
I did read some of it, but nowhere did I find references to Ray Peat. Your discourse is scientific, so it's normal that you should "drop names" -- we would like to know the origin of those ideas and what you think of the work of those who wrote on similar subjects before you did. To this moment, I still don't know whether you have read Dr. Peat's books, for instance. Have you? If not, why not?
I like your voice, I think there is great future and value in what you are doing. I want to trust you and I need to know where you come from.
I also feel a bit offended when I see you relate deferentially to Dr. Jaminet, and never in that manner to Dr. Peat. Dr. Jaminet must have read Dr. Peat, too. I think I have seen him refer to Dr. Peat on his site -- but, alas, not so much in his successful book. And again, I wonder why.
You recommend seven books in your "Recommended Reading" tab, none of which is Peat's.
If you sense some anger in my approach, it is because I resent having found Peat's work so late, while it seems more and more obvious to me that many people on the "diet scene" have read and incorporated some of his thinking into their work without mentioning loud and clear for the benefit of us all who the man is and where we can find him for ourselves. Sometimes it looks like he is some of the newly anointed diet gurus' best kept secret and I am glad that people like Danny Roddy and Josh Rubin have made him more popular via discussion groups and forums.
Andrew Kim said:Of late, on the request of people, I've been writing extensively about sugar, starches, & fruit, and the position I've taken in writing these posts derive from my own experiences.
Dr. Peat did inspire me with regard to my stance on carbon dioxide, which I previously, like most people invariably do, thought of as a waste product, as well as the central role of energy generation. Danny Roddy has also pointed me to resources that I'd never been exposed to before in school. These ideas & concepts, in one way or another, have been threads that have run through my blog posts.
Yes, but where is the man's name, where are the links to his articles, where are the quotes from his work?
Andrew Kim said:I initially had a list of other Dr. Peat-inspired blogs as one of the tabs at the top of my blog but I replaced it with a "recommended reading" tab. I figure, if people want to know more about Dr. Peat's work, read his free articles, instead of summaries of it. The "recommended reading" tab has also assumed this position because it provides context for some of my free-flowing blog posts.
I don't know what you had in the past, I never saw anything of the kind and a search after Peat's name returns two measly references in a discussion. Not good... I'd fix that if I were you.
Andrew Kim said:But at this point, I don't think I need to point out the fact that my blog is Peat-inspired. Simply judging by the Peat-inspired blogs that have listed my blog as a resource, I think its obvious to most people by now.
(Dr.) Kim, you fail to see that someone who is new to this and goes from link to link on the net may read your blog and not realize there is a Dr. Peat somewhere who may have inspired you. Not fair.
Andrew Kim said:Anyway, if you feel I'm not giving credit where credit is due, or if you feel like I'm usurping undue license in the way I incorporate some of Dr. Peat's ideas, I'm sorry. In principle, I don't feel like I should be sprinkling Dr. Peat's name into my blog wherever I incorporate an idea of his, and frankly, I find it insulting that you'd make an insinuation that fringes on an accusation of plagiarism.
No, plagiarism is not my concern. I think your work is there to stay and I think it should be cross-referenced correctly and fairly. You might argue it is just a blog, but your scientific tone kind of pushes one to look for sources and I think you should honor that need your readers might develop while following your ideas. It would be a pity not to.
Thank you for your work, I really enjoyed reading you otherwise!
Isadora
gabriel79 said:To be honest, if I want to read a quote by Peat, I go directly to raypeat.com.
Isadora said:Yeah, because you know there is such a place as raypeat.com -- you wouldn't figure that out from Mr. Kim's blog, would you now? And how is that fair?
@ Dorito Loyalist: Oh, so now Peat is a "fanboy" of Selye and Ling? And all those scientists who keep quoting one another's work in the elaborate references they offer are "fanboys" of each other? Only Kim stood tall and was his own person? I never thought of things that way.
@ Dorito Loyalist: Oh, so now Peat is a "fanboy" of Selye and Ling? And all those scientists who keep quoting one another's work in the elaborate references they offer are "fanboys" of each other? Only Kim stood tall and was his own person? I never thought of things that way.
@frustrated: Dude, is that how it works? You just want readability and don't give a damn about accountability and fair crediting in scientific writing?
Don't worry about my "writing all that", writing comes natural to me. In fact, I find it so easy to write that I am going to show you how hacking is done on the diet book scene. In real time, on this forum, if nobody minds.
I shall write my own READABLE PEAT-INSPIRED diet book, SCIENCE-BASED, with lots of PubMed references and not even quoting Peat ONCE!
Check back soon.
I am not the one in need to apologize.
frustrated said:Andrew literally can't reference Peat, because Peat has only published one, obscure, academic paper.
cliff said:Not giving credit to peat in hopes that others won't judge you is such a ***** thing to do.
Isadora said:You say Peat would rather see his ideas get wings and be served by other young scientists and that he would definitely prefer to not be quoted? How do you know that? Is Peat not even human?