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@Amazoniac I still don't understand your stance on vitamin D. Any final conclusion or finding you can shed on the subject without the tone of comedy because I am not a native English speaker?
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It's because you're not a native speaker of prolactinese.@Amazoniac I still don't understand your stance on vitamin D. Any final conclusion or finding you can shed on the subject without the tone of comedy because I am not a native English speaker?
Thank you for the clear explanation. So you are not 100% joking when you name some vitamins poison and venom. It reflects some deep opinions you have about them.It's because you're not a native speaker of prolactinese.
I stand by my position that there are therapeutic uses for venom D supplements, but they should be used as a last resource for maintenance, especially if you're unsure if it's being helpful. I would favor sunlight > UV lamps > venom D3 supplement. As you know, all these can be combined with Raj's heat lamps, but it's beyond venom D and warm light, so you'll be missing out the other components by just relying on these two. Those are not pristine options, they do have side effects as well, such as aging the skin and destroying nutrients, but the overall effect is positive and better regulated.
It's because you're not a native speaker of prolactinese.
I stand by my position that there are therapeutic uses for venom D supplements, but they should be used as a last resource for maintenance, especially if you're unsure if it's being helpful. I would favor sunlight > UV lamps > venom D3 supplement. As you know, all these can be combined with Raj's heat lamps, but it's beyond venom D and warm light, so you'll be missing out the other components by just relying on these two. Those are not pristine options, they do have side effects as well, such as aging the skin and destroying nutrients, but the overall effect is positive and better regulated.
All I really meant is that consuming canola oil as your main fat can be expected to suppress metabolism and lead to weight gain.I don't think that it damages canola oil.
How can you increase a gas on skin while preventing it from escaping? May be its fast metabolism. Frying the skin during inflammation until it reddens and screams 'O NOO' doesn't sound good. Could it be taking the hit and sparing internal organs?
It has gotten to a point where everything is being bashed by someone, so all must be toxic. Living in a toxic world will eventually turn you into a toxin: being alive is unhealthy.Thank you for the clear explanation. So you are not 100% joking when you name some vitamins poison and venom. It reflects some deep opinions you have about them.
Bill said:The weak in courage is strong in cunning.
I'm not familiar with them, but @Dan Wich [] has tried:Do you think a reptile UVB bulb is a cheap way to get some D?
The animals were ingesting venom D (extremely toxic!!1), a small portion of their calories from canola oil is not the main concern in this case. You can compare treatments on animals that were on the same condition (ignoring high-fat group, for example).All I really meant is that consuming canola oil as your main fat can be expected to suppress metabolism and lead to weight gain.
Thank you for the clear explanation. So you are not 100% joking when you name some vitamins poison and venom. It reflects some deep opinions you have about them.
I am similar to you on this. Both D3 and K2 do this to me. Can you please share how you specifically remedied this with copper, manganese, and thiamine? Via supplements and food both?I had problems with Vitamin D3 (sun or supplement, didn't matter) from being low in copper, manganese and thiamine. It took me years to figure those out because there's no discussion on those - it's probably just a few people who have that issue. It still aggravates my histamine, maybe because anything serotogenic aggravates my histamine issues, however I still need it for maintaining some level of estrogen and my immune system suffers without it.
In any case, if someone feels bad from Vitamin D3, there's a chance that it is sarcoidosis, especially if taking a corticosteroid resolves it.
I am similar to you on this. Both D3 and K2 do this to me. Can you please share how you specifically remedied this with copper, manganese, and thiamine? Via supplements and food both?
Interesting. Thank you for sharing. I’ll try this and see if it is the missing piece for me.By supplement, because histamine issues affect what I can eat. It is interesting that you mention Vitamin K2, I had problems with that as well, and it was manganese that was needed (2-5mg/meal and it helped with tolerating K2, D3, iodine, selenium). I wish I knew why that was.
@mouse does vitamin d help or deplete your copper status? I have experimented with high dose D this week and I am not sure if it's helping or hurting
Definitely get major estrogenic effects from taking D3 but as you mentioned elsewhere it seems like maybe some estrogen is needed for copper status
I'm curious about your copper supplementation as I am really struggling with getting my levels up and I am concerned about how much copper I'm taking with not much effect.
(Also, histamine intolerance was/is my main issue too before the copper thing became a crisis.)
Interesting. Thank you for sharing. I’ll try this and see if it is the missing piece for me.
My main low copper symptom is vein/blood vessel weakness along with some other things. I am taking dosages around that and anything that impacts copper seems to immediately make everything worse (including important stuff for collagen like vitamin C). Although it seems like zinc and caffeine (as well as fructose) worsen it the most - maybe from the anti-estrogen effects? I had insane cravings for maple syrup for a long time so I added manganese this week too. I am probably going to try the estrogen thing because vitamin D gives me too much joint pain/cracking at higher levels.I find that the Vitamin D helps with copper retention but I think it is indirectly by increasing estrogen. My reasoning is that I have a stomach pain that happens when estrogen is low. DHEA helps, but estriol or estradiol helps a lot better even at tiny doses. Progesterone and iodine makes it much worse. Vitamin D helps but nowhere near as well as estrogen. (50K IU every 3-4 days) When I was really low in copper, I was taking 9-12 mg of supplemental copper a day to prevent sinusitis from low copper. I found that adding estrogen (estradiol or estriol) or Vitamin D allowed me to reduce the copper dose. But only with high doses of Vitamin D and nowhere near as well as estrogen. Hence my reasoning that Vitamin D helps retain copper indirectly.
The copper itself hurts my stomach so copper doesn't increase my estrogen as far as I can tell. I sometimes resort to adding some estrogen when it gets bothersome enough. I'm currently taking 3mg of copper/day (from copper bisglycinate) and I try to take enough Vitamin D3 to minimize adding any estrogen but I'm not always successful.
With no copper from supplements but with Vitamin D, serum copper was 12.4 (9.0-23.0). I hope to get another test with the current 3mg/day supplementation.
I've found that the manganese needs 24 hours (basically 3 meals) head start before trying things that depend on it.
I find that the Vitamin D helps with copper retention but I think it is indirectly by increasing estrogen. My reasoning is that I have a stomach pain that happens when estrogen is low. DHEA helps, but estriol or estradiol helps a lot better even at tiny doses. Progesterone and iodine makes it much worse. Vitamin D helps but nowhere near as well as estrogen. (50K IU every 3-4 days) When I was really low in copper, I was taking 9-12 mg of supplemental copper a day to prevent sinusitis from low copper. I found that adding estrogen (estradiol or estriol) or Vitamin D allowed me to reduce the copper dose. But only with high doses of Vitamin D and nowhere near as well as estrogen. Hence my reasoning that Vitamin D helps retain copper indirectly.
The copper itself hurts my stomach so copper doesn't increase my estrogen as far as I can tell. I sometimes resort to adding some estrogen when it gets bothersome enough. I'm currently taking 3mg of copper/day (from copper bisglycinate) and I try to take enough Vitamin D3 to minimize adding any estrogen but I'm not always successful.
With no copper from supplements but with Vitamin D, serum copper was 12.4 (9.0-23.0). I hope to get another test with the current 3mg/day supplementation.
I've found that the manganese needs 24 hours (basically 3 meals) head start before trying things that depend on it.
I had problems with Vitamin D3 (sun or supplement, didn't matter) from being low in copper, manganese and thiamine. It took me years to figure those out because there's no discussion on those - it's probably just a few people who have that issue. It still aggravates my histamine, maybe because anything serotogenic aggravates my histamine issues, however I still need it for maintaining some level of estrogen and my immune system suffers without it.
In any case, if someone feels bad from Vitamin D3, there's a chance that it is sarcoidosis, especially if taking a corticosteroid resolves it.
I had insane cravings for maple syrup for a long time so I added manganese this week too. I am probably going to try the estrogen thing because vitamin D gives me too much joint pain/cracking at higher levels.
This is good to know. Thanks.I find that the Vitamin D helps with copper retention but I think it is indirectly by increasing estrogen. My reasoning is that I have a stomach pain that happens when estrogen is low. DHEA helps, but estriol or estradiol helps a lot better even at tiny doses. Progesterone and iodine makes it much worse. Vitamin D helps but nowhere near as well as estrogen. (50K IU every 3-4 days) When I was really low in copper, I was taking 9-12 mg of supplemental copper a day to prevent sinusitis from low copper. I found that adding estrogen (estradiol or estriol) or Vitamin D allowed me to reduce the copper dose. But only with high doses of Vitamin D and nowhere near as well as estrogen. Hence my reasoning that Vitamin D helps retain copper indirectly.
The copper itself hurts my stomach so copper doesn't increase my estrogen as far as I can tell. I sometimes resort to adding some estrogen when it gets bothersome enough. I'm currently taking 3mg of copper/day (from copper bisglycinate) and I try to take enough Vitamin D3 to minimize adding any estrogen but I'm not always successful.
With no copper from supplements but with Vitamin D, serum copper was 12.4 (9.0-23.0). I hope to get another test with the current 3mg/day supplementation.
I've found that the manganese needs 24 hours (basically 3 meals) head start before trying things that depend on it.
How were you supplementing estradiol, the Life-Flo cream?
Yes, less additives would be a plus. Thank you.I used Life-Flo estriol cream first, then Ona's Natural estriol, then the estradiol cream. Ona's has less additives, if that is important to you. Ona's Natural Progesterone Cream