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Hi burtlan! WickedLeaks.From where did you get that info ?
The vitamin A topic must be perplexing you given the position of Koch, Gerson and Virginia Livingston on it..
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Hi burtlan! WickedLeaks.From where did you get that info ?
Hi burtlan! WickedLeaks.
The vitamin A topic must be perplexing you given the position of Koch, Gerson and Virginia Livingston on it..
Hi burtlan! WickedLeaks.
burtlan, I didn't miss the message when you posted, I had nothing to add. I was just doing a fun there.WickedLeaks or rather "Amazoniac's licentia poetarum" ?
And for what goal ?
I disagree with almost all of his findings. I am not one to overeat protein it is in fact the hardest macro for me to get a lot of, but promoting severe calorie restriction is one of the most dangerous things about alternative health. All you would have to look at is anorexia. It has one of the highest mortality rates of any mental health disorder. My friend just lost their daughter to anorexia. She just would not eat. Her heart failed. For cancer I would never turn anorexic either.It's a biography with interesting details on the how things unrolled, it's definitely worth reading. I'm not sure if I'll be adding more quotes because it's going to take too much time, here are a few:
"The first [discovery that Max made in his self-experimentation] was that when he used salt in his food, the migraine attacks seemed worse. It became obvious that the first food element he must avoid was salt. Taking weekly blood and urine samples, he found that just before an attack his urine became quite clear and was noticeable lacking in waste products. After one or two days of a migraine, however, the urine became cloudy, thick and dark, and would have a very high sodium content, as if some of his tissue cells had been retaining an abnormal and detrimental amount of this mineral. Oddly, too, when the attack had passed, Max felt reborn, with his physical energy and mental faculties at peak condition indicating that his body had just flushed out some harmful, even poisonous substance. Was there something in sodium chloride (NaCL), or table salt--the sodium or the chlorine, or both of them together--that his body could not tlerate in an excessive quantity?"
"One day, while taking one of his vigorous, therapeutic walks in the moist and fragrant woods around Breslau, Gerson noticed a tiny movement near the base of a tree. On closer inspection, he found it was a baby squirrel with a broken leg. Evidently it had fallen out of its high nest, or failed to complete a trial leap from high branch to high branch. Max took the young animal home and nursed it back to health. The squirrel, having been raised by the gentle doctor, became quite tame. It would happily travel everywhere with Max, surprising his colleagues by peeping out of the pocket of his overcoat at odd times, begging for a peanut."
"Dr. Gerson was naturally aware that many medical experts in wartime Germany feared that the health of the general population would suffer because of most people's inability to get the quantities of animal protein and fat that seemed essential to their well-being. It was simply assumed that the habit of eating a high-fat diet originated from necessity. To everyone's surprise--and certainly Max would take great note of this later--the population's overall health actually improved."
"Experiments have demonstrated that severe calorie restriction may actually tripe immune-system function, and the elimination or extreme reduction of animal protein has a similar effect."
Janelle, here we have another contradiction. On the other thread you've suggested that I chase your posts for mysterious greater motivations trying to provide counter data to everything you say. Do you realize how this is not the case again?I disagree with almost all of his findings. I am not one to overeat protein it is in fact the hardest macro for me to get a lot of, but promoting severe calorie restriction is one of the most dangerous things about alternative health. All you would have to look at is anorexia. It has one of the highest mortality rates of any mental health disorder. My friend just lost their daughter to anorexia. She just would not eat. Her heart failed. For cancer I would never turn anorexic either.
Someone on the lines made an estimation of the average nutrition that it provides but I couldn't find it. If I come across it, I'll share with you.
For cancer I would never turn anorexic either.
Internal acidification of cells is necessary for apoptosis, and tumors grow because their apoptosis is prevented by the internal alkalinity caused by glycolysis. Baking soda, some antihistamines, and acetazolamide (Diamox) can restore normal intracellular acidity.
Thanks to you. That's interesting, but I had in mind a more in the depth analysis. However you makes me suspect that France has all answers.Gerson Diet (from Dr. Kathryn Alexandr - Thérapie Gerson)
Many nutritionists often say that patients on Gerson therapy, whether they are cancerous or have a chronic degenerative disease, do not ingest enough protein, because the diet consists only of vegetables! However, not only do our patients heal, but their bodies are regenerated and restored to full functioning.
It is time to take out the calculator. How much protein does a patient on Gerson Complete Therapy actually consume? Let's start with the 13 daily juices. Twelve are vegetable juices, 4 green and apple juices, 3 carrots only, and 5 carrots and apples. The amount of vegetables for these juices is 3.6 kg per day. Isolated juices provide about 57.6 g of protein per day (assuming a conservative estimate of 1.6% protein in vegetables). Potatoes are also on the menu (6 g of protein), oat flakes (7g) and additional quantities of raw and cooked vegetables. I would say that a patient, at the beginning of Gerson therapy, consumes between 75g and 80g of quality protein per day. When 200 grams of non-fat yoghurt is added to the diet, we add 7 grams of extra protein per day.
From Gerson Therapy – Dr. Kathryn Alexander. Protéines et Guérison – Partie II.
How is the Gerson therapy administered?
The Gerson therapy requires that the many details of its treatment plan be followed exactly. Some key parts of the regimen include the following:
Proteins: How much?
- Drinking 13 glasses of juice a day. The juice must be freshly made from organic fruits and vegetables and be taken once every hour.
- Eating vegetarian meals of organically grown fruits, vegetables, and whole grains.
- Taking a number of supplements (…)
=> 1 gr/ body weight
The average requirement is 1 g protein / kg body weight, which means, for an average of 50 to 70 kg, the equivalent of 200 g of meat or fish and 4 slices of bread per day - 64 g. The body does not use protein in excess. If you eat more protein than necessary, the excess is converted into carbohydrates or fat by the liver, and the amine part (the nitrogenous part that makes it a protein) is converted into urea and eliminated by the kidneys. Excess protein creates acidity and puts pressure on the kidneys, which will later affect the heart.
Info:
Gerson Therapy
http://mirzoune-ciboulette.forumactif.org/t1443-therapie-gerson#16816 (in French)
If you were in his position and you had people in critical conditions that didn't have enough strength or time to experiment and were counting on you, what you would propose instead, other than intrajugular vit C?I think the Gerson therapy is heavily flawed. I would never do that much green juice. The carotene content of this diet is insane. Carrot juice?? Peat says to rinse our carrots before eating them! But I guess people will do whatever crazy cancer protocol out there as long as it's really hyped up. Too bad for the lady in this article and her Mother who tried it for breast cancer:
https://sciencebasedmedicine.org/the-gerson-protocol-and-the-death-of-jess-ainscough/
How many Gerson patients are still alive after 5 years?
burtlan, I didn't miss the message when you posted, I had nothing to add. I was just doing a fun there.
⇈I know that.
But i'm still waiting for the reference of what you posted.
If you don't have one, i'll have to conclude you made it up.
Avoid the sun????Gerson Therapy Handbook (0-9677526-4-8)
Companion workbook to 'A Cancer Therapy: Results of Fifty Cases'
The context here is debilitated people under the therapy.
"Do not put Lugol's in green juice." (?)
"Niacinamide is not allowed."
"Preliminary clinical studies indicate that oxidative therapy might produce desirable results in cancer treatment. Most hostile micro-organisms probably require lower oxygen levels than the body's cells. Boosting serum oxygen levels may revitalize normal cells while damaging some viruses and other pathogens. Two basic types of oxygen therapy are ozone therapy and the absorption of hydrogen peroxide at very low concentrations. Hydrogen peroxide (H2O2), is produced when ozone (O3) contacts water. It can be taken orally if diluted with water (1/2% or less), absorbed through the skin by bathing in it (from 4-5 pints of 3% H2O2 in a standard size bathtub), used topically, or taken rectally. Ambient air ozone generators are used to benefit patients. In addition to the intensive Gerson Therapy, some adjuvant procedures are being made available to patients. These are scientifically based additions to the Gerson Therapy to add to the patients' ability to heal. Patients should discuss these additions to their treatment with their Gerson physician. Also extra charges will apply, consequently please check with the hospital office."
"The rate of production of toxic radicals - and hence the adequacy of oxidative bacterial killing - is directly proportional to local oxygen tension."
"- Well-oxygenated leukocytes are far more efficient than hypoxic leukocytes.
- Clinically, sufficient hypoxia can occur to inhibit leukocytes and sufficient hyperoxia can easily be achieved to facilitate WBC function.
- The immunological benefits of raising tissue pH; out of the "critical zone" is roughly equivalent to the effects of antibiotics.
- The effects of oxygen and antibiotics are equivalent."
"Heat treatments play an important role as an adjunct to the Gerson program. Treatments increase heart rate and respiratory rate, increase metabolism important for healing, and increase perspiration which assists in detoxification. Treatments stimulate an increase in leukocytes (white blood cells) and neutrophils, thus mobilizing the body's defenses against disease. The resultant increased blood flow brings about greatly improved oxygenation necessary for proper healing. Oxygenation assists in the fight against cancer which does not like an oxygenated environment. Congestion of internal organs, such as the liver, gall bladder, kidneys, etc., is relieved. Poor circulation is improved. Heat often assists in pain relief. Increased circulation lowers toxin levels thereby reducing the nerve irritation which causes pain. Treatments aid in repair of diseased tissues. They affect not only the immediate skin areas, but also exert reflex effects elsewhere in the body through the nervous system. For instance, heat over the abdominal wall decreases spasms of the intestinal tract; heat over kidneys and lower abdomen increases urine production."
"For the cancer patient there is an additional important benefit in the hot water treatments. Many types of cancer cells are much more sensitive to heat than are normal cells. If temperatures can be raised high enough (104°F or more) and long enough, death of cancer cells may result."
"Exercise
Dr. Gerson felt very strongly that a cancer patient just starting on the therapy, urgently needs rest. He even had patients who were not particularly debilitated, stay in bed for a full six weeks! The Gerson Therapy itself speeds up the metabolism, and that requires energy. This extra energy requirement often causes patients starting the treatment to be tired. This is an urgent message from the body to rest! Do not force exercise when you are tired. It will not 'build you up' at all; on the contrary, it will slow down or stop the healing process if you waste your energy.
Early on in the treatment, it is a good practice to do some trampolining. A little 'rebounder' is quite inexpensive, and can be very helpful. In the beginning, use it only by lifting your heel and bending your knees - don't jump. Also, it is best to use it for only 30 seconds at a time, but several times a day - as often as 5-6 times. This very mild exercise stimulates lymphatic circulation and also helps to overcome pain, especially bone pain. But, again, don't overdo or exhaust yourself."
"As your energy returns, you can begin some very mild exercise: a five minute walk (not in extreme heat or cold). This can soon be extended to 8-10 minutes, but, if the patient is very tired, stop, and go back to the last amount of walking that didn't exhaust you. Increase the time for a walk very slowly if you can easily handle it. More strenuous exercise (tennis, squash) must be avoided for a year or so. Try to avoid walking on or near a golf course, as the grass is heavily sprayed with toxic chemicals. Swimming is a problem: all chlorinated pools must be completely avoided and ocean water is too salty for the patient. So what remains? A clean mountain stream or lake. "Clean" means that there are no factories that drain chemicals into the water above the place where you swim. And, of course, the weather must be mild or warm, so the patient is not chilled."
"All substances which go on the skin, at best clog pores, keeping the skin from breathing and eliminating toxins. At worst, these materials are absorbed into the blood stream and damage the patient. While on the intensive therapy, the patient should refrain from using any skin lotions, creams, and ointments whatsoever. Especially, women need to refrain from using lipstick which is regularly licked off the lips and therefore ingested."
"Nail polish keeps the nails from breathing. Do not use it while on the Gerson Therapy; nor any artificial nails [SBBs]. If you are wearing it at the hospital, a nurse will provide you with nail polish remover."
"Dr. Gerson did not want patients to be exposed to sun, nor to sunbathe. During the last few years, it has become fashionable to recommend 'sunscreen' because many doctors claim sunlight can cause skin cancer. Dr. Gerson's reason for recommending patients avoid sunlight is that it is radiation, it is wearying and irritating; so the patient must avoid it."
"The chemical name for baking soda is sodium bicarbonate. Sodium is readily absorbed through the mucus membranes in the mouth and quickly enters the blood stream. A patient who came to us with colon cancer was completely cleared of cancer after about ten months on the therapy. She continued the therapy faithfully, as she had been instructed. Nevertheless, after another six months or so, she had a new malignant lesion in her colon. When she returned to the Gerson Therapy hospital, upon intensive questioning, it turned out her dentist had suggested she brush her teeth with baking soda. She did - and her tumor returned. When she stopped this practice, she healed again!"
"The first indication of problems due to root canals came from a patient who was bedfast and virtually paralyzed due to rheumatoid arthritis, for some reason, her root canal filled tooth was removed, although it looked healthy, and after some months, she could walk and her health was totally restored. But Dr. Price took the extracted tooth, sterilized it thoroughly, and implanted it under the skin of a rabbit. Within 5 days, the rabbit was suffering with severe rheumatoid arthritis, and in 10 days it died of the disease."
"Subsequently, many other patients had root canal filled teeth extracted: some suffering from kidney disease, others from heart disease, and many more with arthritis. In virtually all cases, the patients showed considerable improvement, to even total recovery, after the offending teeth were removed. But, again, many more times Dr. Price implanted the teeth under the skin of rabbits. In each case the tooth removed from the patient caused the patient's disease in the rabbit. Dr. Price went even further to try to clear the apparently infectious material from the extracted teeth: he autoclaved them (sterilized by steam pressure, usually at 250 degrees F or 121°C). This made no difference: the rabbits with the sterilized tooth implanted still developed the disease and died, usually within 10 days. Then Dr. Price implanted a healthy tooth under the skin of a rabbit. The rabbit lived without showing any signs of problems for about 15 years, its normal life span."
"The underlying problem is very interesting: when the nerve is removed from a tooth, it is no longer living, nor is it supplied with nutrients. It is dead. However, the normal structure of the tooth includes tiny 'canules' (similar to capillaries in every human tissue) that carry nutrients to the living tooth. Once the tooth is dead, nutrients stop circulating through these canules, instead they become infested with germs and viruses. Not only that, but the filling of the nerve canal shrinks a tiny little bit, enough for more bacteria and viruses to lodge there, too. None of this shows on X-rays. A dead tooth is thus a potent source of bacterial and viral toxins and infections that can spread throughout the system. Many people with a good immune system and powerful defenses, can live with this constant source of trouble without showing any symptoms. Careful X-rays in many cases show that with time "cavitation" (hollowing out of the surrounding jaw bone) occurs around the root canal treated tooth. As the resistant patient ages or is weakened by accidents, colds and flu, or severe stress, the ability to overcome this 'focal infection' is reduced and can either cause or contribute to cause severe chronic disease."
"In view of the above, it will not come as a surprise that we urgently suggest patients remove any tooth (or teeth) with root canal fillings."
"A German physician Dr. Josef Issels, heard a lecture by Dr. Gerson back in the 1950's and subsequently successfully used alternative treatments in helping many cancer patients. Dr. Issels spent some time at the Gerson Therapy Center and also pointed out the severe damage caused by root canal fillings. He further stated that he refused to treat any cancer patient who did not allow all 'devitalized' (dead) teeth to be removed. He explained that he could not obtain good results without this procedure."
Dairy
"If this baker's cheese contains no salt or fat it may be used, whipped up with some non-fat yogurt and onions, garlic or chives - since it is quite lacking in flavor without additions. Also, Safeway used to produce cheese for the same purpose, called "Dry Curd." This is also free of salt and fat and can be mixed with onions, garlic, etc. and can be a delicious spread for baked potatoes and vegetables; or with a little maple syrup or honey, it can be used over stewed fruit, or as a sauce with some dessert."
Psychological aspect
"Body and mind are two sides of one coin. They sicken together and must be healed together. Whatever affects the one will affect the other. Our task is to evoke the patient's self-healing potential and make sure that some disregarded psychological problem does not sabotage the therapeutic process."
"A positive, hopeful, determined attitude strengthens immune competence, while despair negativity and fear weaken it. Lasting unhappiness or a traumatic event can overwhelm our cells. It is no exaggeration to claim that our every thought and emotion equals a biochemical act. In the words of neuroscientist Dr Candace Pelt co-discoverer of endorphins, "Cells are conscious beings that communicate with each other, affecting our emotions and choices." It is equally true that our emotions and beliefs affect the activity of our cells."
"Clearly, the patient's emotional health is of vital importance if we want to ensure that the Gerson Therapy brings optimum results."
"'No attempt should be made to cure the body without the soul,' wrote the Greek philosopher Plato nearly 2400 years ago. In today's terms, even the brilliant Gerson program cannot do its best if something deep down in the patient's consciousness keeps saying "No" to life."
"And that something may be a totally separate diagnosis. It may have to do with what Lawrence LeShan, pioneer researcher of the body-mind link in malignant disease, dubbed "the cancer-prone personality". Other researchers soon confirmed his observation that certain personality traits seemed to pre-dispose some people to cancer. In LeShan's formulation, these traits include low self-esteem, difficulty in expressing anger or aggression, a tendency to please others and ignore his/her own needs and feelings. In other words, the true self of such a person has disappeared behind a false self, developed probably in early childhood and maintained in adulthood, although no longer necessary."
"It is well known that cancer often appears 18 months or two years after some untoward life event, such as bereavement, divorce, career crisis, fiscal blow, and so on. Experience with clients has shown me that those events only represented the last straw that ultimately broke the camel's back; that, indeed, those people had long existed in what they had felt was a life trap, an impossible existential situation that apparently could neither be borne nor changed. LeShan and Carl Simonton, M.D., describe this life trap in detail. My own case material bears out its existence, and also the fact that those who feel unable to escape eventually reach a stage when they don't care whether they live or die. As many of them have told me, "Something snapped." I suspect it was the last strand of their will to live."
"And, as the well-known saying has it, 'Cancer is a socially acceptable form of suicide.'"
"In a now classical study, British researcher Stephen Greer interviewed a group of women three months after they had undergone mastectomies, to find out how they were coping. He found four distinct types among them who showed, respectively, fighting spirit, denial, stoic acceptance, and hopelessness. After 5 and 10 years, 80% of the fighters, but only 20% of the hopeless had survived. These rates had nothing to do with medical prognoses."
"[..]studies, as well as my own case histories suggest that the fighters, unlike the despondent patients, give positive non-verbal messages to their bodies which boost their immune system, and get results accordingly. Not always. Humanity's mortality rate remains obstinately loo%, but we don't all have to go at once."
"I always ask the initial question, "Do you want to live?" If the answer is yes, I ask, "Do you want to live unconditionally?" Another firm "yes" settles that matter. But often a "yes, but ..." reply identifies an undecided individual, and the need for further exploration."
Wtf?? (kine, 2018).
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Model! Yes, I think it's pausable since the sunny can exacaebvetae various deficiencies..Avoid the sun????
Many, many related publications:
http://gerson-research.org/bibliography/
Example:
Aldosterone and the Gerson diet — A speculation - ScienceDirect
1. I'm actually getting paid by the Gerson industry to say that.Dear Oracle,
I am really curious because you cite the Gerbit...I mean... Gerson a lot. Why do you have him in such high regard? Like... I see you using him as a reference to where you compare lots of other theories/practices. I don't know if he is legit or not, I am just curious why you like his protocols so much.
Hmmm.... I don't know what to say then. It is difficult to make up ones mind regarding the validity of Gersons therapy.1. I'm actually getting paid by the Gerson industry to say that.
2. Fixation due to obsessive-compulsive thoughts.
3. Not being widely read as burtlan, so not having options to hold on to.
4. Few approaches are as comprehensive as Gerson's.
5. He's one of a few whose the success of the therapy relies on how effective the diet is. He couldn't afford slips in this aspect as others could. Despite the fact that Koch's understanding was far better than Gerson's and he was attentive to diet, it was possible for him to include elements that would fail if he didn't use his reagents in conjunction. As an example he added fish liver oil for vitamin A and I doubt it would be productive to have it in the program if he had to solve it through diet alone.