Nicholas said:post 109839haidut said:post 109811Nicholas said:post 109804haidut said:post 109788Nicholas said:post 108839 thank you, Haidut. do you think this product would have any benefit to broken capillaries or spider vein type issues? I've heard talk of the flavanoids having some benefit to these skin-related aging signs primarily via Linus Pauling. I'm interested in ordering for the already stated uses, too.
All of the compounds in the product are anti-angiogenic, so quite possible. Spider veins are usually from too much estrogen so a systemic anti-estrogen like oral vitamin E or aspirin would probably be better. But the topical application probably won't hurt either.
cool, there are many pathways for estrogen to be elevated...if that's, as you say, even the cause. for example, i have found that they are diminishing by taking vitamin C recently.
Spider veins in particular are most likely caused by estrone (E1) and are related to poor liver function and detoxification of estrone. One example that there is no such thing as benign estrogen and the attempt to steer estrogen towards "benign" metabolites by taking things like I3C is at best misguided.
ok....i don't know what 13C is...
the point i was making is that, if estrogen detoxification is the cause, there are many pathways by which one can heal the problem. the answer to lowering estrogen is not always Vitamin E/Aspirin/caffeine/etc or you have a blanket liver issue. i could post a number of studies here showing how vitamin C interacts with the liver, but i also don't think vitamin C is the answer for everyone. In my case, it makes sense though....because i'm a smoker, and have therefore possibly been vitamin C deficient. for some reason it is diminishing the capillary issue. will use your product as well and let you know.
I3C is indole-3-carbnol, and is very popular right now for steering estrogen metabolism away from estradiol. If you could post a study showing vitamin C has beneficial effect on estrone and its effect on liver it would be great.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spider_angioma
"...The dilation, in turn, is caused by increased estrogen levels in the blood. Many pregnant women, or women using hormonal contraception, have spider angiomas, due to high estrogen levels in their blood. Individuals with significant hepatic disease also show many spider angiomas, as their liver cannot metabolize circulating estrogens, specifically estrone, which derives from the androgen androstenedione.[3] About 33% of patients with cirrhosis have spider angiomas.[5] As such, microhemorrhages may be observed as spider angiomas."
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