Your Ideal Stimulus Proposal ( USA Or Elsewhere )

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Bothe US and the Eurozone could and should enact post-Keynesian or MMT principles asap.

Infrastructure, state and private. Fund and renew like mad. Give any unemployed a living-wage job there, paid by the state and be it pushing wheelbarrows.

Same could be applied to agriculture.

Combine that with renewable-technology. Not all are well thought out or wise, others are.

Otherwise, we‘ll see unemployment, poverty and social unrest unlike anything like in the twenties and thirties. Europe is at the risk of fracture beyond repair or, to prevent that fracturing, a totalitarian EU that patches up loose ends with lunatic fiscal and monetary measures, a mixture of deficit spending and austerity bound to end in chaos and drastic imbalances.
 
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Bothe US and the Eurozone could and should enact post-Keynesian or MMT principles asap.

Infrastructure, state and private. Fund and renew like mad. Give any unemployed a living-wage job there, paid by the state and be it pushing wheelbarrows.

Same could be applied to agriculture.

Combine that with renewable-technology. Not all are well thought out or wise, others are.

Otherwise, we‘ll see unemployment, poverty and social unrest unlike anything like in the twenties and thirties. Europe is at the risk of fracture beyond repair or, to prevent that fracturing, a totalitarian EU that patches up loose ends with lunatic fiscal and monetary measures, a mixture of deficit spending and austerity bound to end in chaos and drastic imbalances.
Did you ever heard about the VOLLGeld initiative living in Germany? It was a Swiss Monetary Reform Referendum with MMT principles back in 2016 I believe.
 

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Well, albeit massive sums are mobilized that does not mean aynthing is changing for the better. The EU is in the process of becoming a behemoth without any democratic control or legitimization. Fiscal and monetary policies are now in the hands of a few dozen individuals of the Commision, the eurogroup and some head of states. Taxation without representation and no way of influencing where the trillions in question will be spent.
And who will pay the bill? This is not MMT, this is debitism.

Germany taxpayers pay the highest taxes and contribiutions to socila security worldwide while their median private wealth is 3 times lower than that of italians, spaniards or frenchmen. Thats grotesque and crazy - but Germans are absolutely subdued by propagana for decades, most of them will think they "save" europe and have no choice, they to this day believe that they benefit from the Euro (the majority clearly does not) and so forth .... I'm a huge, a fervent proponent of european solidarity and cooperation.

But not via this EU, And not at the cost of some nations inhabitants while others don't contribute simlarly.
 

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Well, albeit massive sums are mobilized that does not mean aynthing is changing for the better. The EU is in the process of becoming a behemoth without any democratic control or legitimization. Fiscal and monetary policies are now in the hands of a few dozen individuals of the Commision, the eurogroup and some head of states. Taxation without representation and no way of influencing where the trillions in question will be spent.
And who will pay the bill? This is not MMT, this is debitism.

Germany taxpayers pay the highest taxes and contribiutions to socila security worldwide while their median private wealth is 3 times lower than that of italians, spaniards or frenchmen. Thats grotesque and crazy - but Germans are absolutely subdued by propagana for decades, most of them will think they "save" europe and have no choice, they to this day believe that they benefit from the Euro (the majority clearly does not) and so forth .... I'm a huge, a fervent proponent of european solidarity and cooperation.

But not via this EU, And not at the cost of some nations inhabitants while others don't contribute simlarly.

I couldn’t agree more, Germany also helped prop up other currencies before they could join the euro ,they had to reach a certain parity and it wasn’t happening unless the bundesbank assisted.
I’m not German but other countries are delusional in their criticism of Germany, German guilt has been paid back in full a long time ago.

In a peaty sense one thing holds true when it comes to seeing how a country will be in the future with or without the euro and that’s metabolic energy, work ethic correlated with metabolic energy , the Germans in general at street level have this in abundance, the UK also, you can argue about how the UK got into this position of rested energy so to speak by colonialism buts it’s a different argument ,for now it’s an observable fact.
I understand both countries are not perfect but the doomsday talking around the UK is propaganda, it looks like they will be attacked and stifled with trade issues after brexit to try drive them into immense stress, if it was more reasonable they would do just fine.

The casino like nature of the financial system needs to be curbed, back to the system of having reserves before you gamble, limit excessive leveraging. This is still poor system but the best we have for now, it limits the creation of a centralized global financial super power, unelected also.

Socializing their loses is criminal yet they carry on, the current financial system is a cult with its own language and the average joes don’t get the language just like a foreign language has no meaning to those not familiar, the public intuit something is wrong but without the language they can’t approach it hence the failings of occupy Wall Street , the language of the banking cult needs to be translated into all languages.
They are constantly evolving their language also, changing words once they become too familiar to the general pop cult, austerity become fiscal measures for example, a cryptocurrency becomes stable coin.

The financial elite don’t want it fixed it seems, it’s collapse the currencies as an excuse for digital money,total supervision, total power, who elected Christine lagarde for example, she is a criminal and was involved with fraud in France , we are told we elect EU officials who elect her, detached from the electorate as much as possible.

In a future more biologically balanced society the theory of anarchy could be approached with less chaos, a world where every one is driven to create and engineer, whilst learning you help build , just like the apprentice system.
 

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Von der Leyen too is a crook. Involved in nepotism and corruption and „saved“ from investigation by becoming President of the commission.
Her whole career was planned on the drawing board, hauling from influential family to become part of the function-elites.

And here we are.
Not too mention many of the past and present commissioners that had vested interests in the very fields of the position before getting into them.
The EU is beyond democratic control now. The Parliament is a joke without the right to initiate legislation. All major decisions able to undermine national souvereignities are taken by the Council, essentially the Executive of the member states. Govern without parliament by circumvention EU.

Germany’s political elites are extremely pro-EU (but pretend they are pro-Europe). The disgusting aspect is, they think it is the correct and only historical lesson and consequence from the Nazi-past. I agree. But they don’t realize that they interchanged patriotism with a sick EU-Chauvinism. Many average Germans think they are „Europeans“ first a far second. That’s fine too. But they want the average Italian, Czech, Dutch, French and so forth to feel that way too. And if they don’t, they are restarted right-wingers, nationalists. Essentially, the average German EU-Chauvinist does not respect the core of what is Europe’s identity: its diversity and Subsidiarity.
 

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Von der Leyen too is a crook. Involved in nepotism and corruption and „saved“ from investigation by becoming President of the commission.
Her whole career was planned on the drawing board, hauling from influential family to become part of the function-elites.

And here we are.
Not too mention many of the past and present commissioners that had vested interests in the very fields of the position before getting into them.
The EU is beyond democratic control now. The Parliament is a joke without the right to initiate legislation. All major decisions able to undermine national souvereignities are taken by the Council, essentially the Executive of the member states. Govern without parliament by circumvention EU.

Germany’s political elites are extremely pro-EU (but pretend they are pro-Europe). The disgusting aspect is, they think it is the correct and only historical lesson and consequence from the Nazi-past. I agree. But they don’t realize that they interchanged patriotism with a sick EU-Chauvinism. Many average Germans think they are „Europeans“ first a far second. That’s fine too. But they want the average Italian, Czech, Dutch, French and so forth to feel that way too. And if they don’t, they are restarted right-wingers, nationalists. Essentially, the average German EU-Chauvinist does not respect the core of what is Europe’s identity: its diversity and Subsidiarity.

More Europe is the narrative now, this needs to be done by 2025 it seems,it means European referendums. My best guess is the financial struggles ahead will be presented to the public as solvable only if we have more Europe ,complete the banking union, this will require the general public of each countries to vote on handing over their constitutions in exchange for a European constitution.

I expect media hysteria unlike anything we have ever seen to pump this ,it’s basically a financial/fiscal union, IMO the narrative presented to the public will not be specifically financial ,everybody hates the banks and will intuit something is off, they will need another reason,what that is I kind put my finger on just yet but it will be a dialectic with the usual identity shells, the media will pump the extreme vote no as clowns like the Q movement types and create the impression that a vote no is identifying with the conspiracy clowns. The reasonable vote no voices will be ignored by the mainstream.

They have experience with the Lisbon treaty ,many voters rejected it so they changed the language and got them to vote again and it passed.
 

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It seems it is now as easy as that. Just bury any differing opinion under a wave, a flood of propaganda and ridicule and defame it simultaneously.

Remember that with Lissabon-treaties, not all member states had an actual referendum but most had the parliament to ratificate. A ridiculous way for a constitutional referendum by itself.
 

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