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Will Cole's Total B.S

Luann

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So a functional medicine doctor is trying to get my mom to put down thousands of bucks for a heavy metal toxicity test and then treatment that would "depend on the individual" (they didn't specifically say chelation but that's a concern) and I gotta talk her out of this. She's not stupid, not at all, but is desperate to find a way out of her insomnia. She has childhood-onset insomnia that won't let her get a job or even feel normal, a.k.a. non-zombie, five days out of the week and six months ago she was so sleep-deprived we had her at the emergency room, the psych ward, everything we could think of. She's been on every sleep drug on the market and they just stop working for her after what she calls a "honeymoon period".

Does Dr. Ray Peat skype or engage in anything more helpful than email? I really want her to talk to him, like be able to tell her story and establish some trust in him. Or, second best, do any of you have success dealing with insomnia, that would convince her to try Peat-ing instead of throwing her money at this crazy a-hole??
 

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Ray Peat eating has lowered my stress levels so that I am calmer during the day and sleeping longer hours than before.

It is certainly cheaper to try OJ, milk, coffee, sugar, mango, cantaloupe, papaya, coconut, carrot, potato, butter, cheese, cream, chicken liver, oysters etc than thousand dollar diagnostics and treatments, but if your mum has her heart set on this other fellow then you may need to wait for her love affair with him to end before setting up a date with Ray Peat!

Perhaps encourage your mum to trial Peat next if this other therapy doesn't work out.
 

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So a functional medicine doctor is trying to get my mom to put down thousands of bucks for a heavy metal toxicity test and then treatment that would "depend on the individual" (they didn't specifically say chelation but that's a concern) and I gotta talk her out of this. She's not stupid, not at all, but is desperate to find a way out of her insomnia. She has childhood-onset insomnia that won't let her get a job or even feel normal, a.k.a. non-zombie, five days out of the week and six months ago she was so sleep-deprived we had her at the emergency room, the psych ward, everything we could think of. She's been on every sleep drug on the market and they just stop working for her after what she calls a "honeymoon period".

Does Dr. Ray Peat skype or engage in anything more helpful than email? I really want her to talk to him, like be able to tell her story and establish some trust in him. Or, second best, do any of you have success dealing with insomnia, that would convince her to try Peat-ing instead of throwing her money at this crazy a-hole??

I don't think Peat offers consultations like that.

Low metabolic rate is normally the main cause of insomnia. That's why people can't sleep when they fast. Has she tried coffee before bedtime (a small but strong cup of espresso, with a dash of cream or milk)?
 

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She has childhood-onset insomnia that won't let her get a job or even feel normal, a.k.a. non-zombie, five days out of the week

This could be delayed sleep phase syndrome, which is notoriously undiagnosed by neurologists and sleep specialists.
Blocking blue light at evening improves tremendously these people.
Have you tried amber shades to block blue light emitted by the light bulbs ?

She's been on every sleep drug on the market and they just stop working for her after what she calls a "honeymoon period".

Did she try thyroid ? Ray mentioned some people being deeply put to sleep by a little thyroid taken before bedtime.

And it's true mercury poisoning can induce insomnia: does your mother have amalgam fillings ?
 
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Do you want to tell what and how much she is eating?
Undereating is an effective way to banish sleep for me.

Also, do you know if she sleeps with mouth open or shut?

Is she getting regular sunlight on skin?

I'd be checking these basics first before considering very expensive tests and interventions.
 

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Everyone has some degree of heavy metal burden. No need to spend thousands. Take this product.

It's a proprietary di-thiol (similar to DMSA), indigestible silica compound that binds heavy metals (due to their affinity for sulfhydryl groups) in the gut. Restoring metabolism and getting plenty of coffee should slowly mobilize heavy metals out of the body, but most people have lousy phase 2 and 3 detoxification from GI "inflammation" (I hate to use the word in such a broad sense), meaning toxins which are expelled through the liver are taken back up into entero-hepatic circulation. This silica powder is designed to stop that re-uptake and break the cycle. The owner of this product is Dr. Chris Shade who obtained his PhD in mercurial chemistry, of all things. I agree with his approach when he says you should not provoke heavy metals out of tissues en masse using chelating agents or strong thiol compounds like ALA, especially if you are already in ill health. He does also sell a few polyphenolic/antioxidant products designed to be used in short cycles in order to upregulate detox proteins like GST1, NRF2. Still, it follows the same philosophy of letting the body mobilize the metals in its own capacity.

When I met my girlfriend, she had been dealing with sleep issues since she was 10 years old (she was then 20). Turns out she had bipolar disorder. I suspected as much, but the confirmation was when she took a single pill of sertraline and turned into an uncontrollable ball of manic insanity. She had also tried everything up until that point - not even nitrazepam could put her out. Then she used quetiapine and behold, she was able to sleep 8 hours uninterrupted - this is another litmus test for bipolar according to my psychiatrist.
 
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Dr Andy Cutler has pretty solid info on heavy metals... shouldn't cost more than $100 or so to treat using DMSA and ALA
 

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Dr Andy Cutler has pretty solid info on heavy metals... shouldn't cost more than $100 or so to treat using DMSA and ALA

I like Cutler as well. Although he uses chelating agents, the critical difference is that his protocol demands consistent dosing per-half-life over several days, so as not to create peaks and troughs in blood concentration and haphazardly redistribute metals elsewhere.
 

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Regarding Mr Cutler, beware; Hi from Germany
The guy is a trojan horse inside the health alternative movement.

I agree with his approach when he says you should not provoke heavy metals out of tissues en masse using chelating agents or strong thiol compounds like ALA, especially if you are already in ill health.

If you're in ill health because your mercury poisoning, that's exactly what you should do ( but using DMPS, not DMSA), unless one wants to slowly die.
If Boyd Haley's chelating agent was still on the market, it would have been even better than DMPS, but alas...

And ingesting chelating agents for alimentary mercury does nothing for the mercury lodged in your liver, brain, kidneys, etc...that only a synthetic chelator can grab and remove.
 

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Regarding Mr Cutler, beware; Hi from Germany
The guy is a trojan horse inside the health alternative movement.



If you're in ill health because your mercury poisoning, that's exactly what you should do ( but using DMPS, not DMSA), unless one wants to slowly die.
If Boyd Haley's chelating agent was still on the market, it would have been even better than DMPS, but alas...

And ingesting chelating agents for alimentary mercury does nothing for the mercury lodged in your liver, brain, kidneys, etc...that only a synthetic chelator can grab and remove.

What ??? Why do you say that about Cutler ? You can read lots of testimonies on the internet about his protocol working good. I know personally a guy who got a very bad mercury intoxication from a dentist who extracted his amalgams without the safety protocol and he recovered very well using Cutler protocol.
 

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Mom is looking into Peating, getting some foods with no veg oils, relying on coconut, olive and butter.

Thanks for everyone who replied, she is also looking into IMD microsilica (disheartened by cost atm.)
 

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She has undereaten for a while now, first because she COULDNT due to sleeplessness, then her drugs made her gain weight and she didn't want to gain more. She doesn't get hungry til late afternoon.
She Peat-ed her first meal today!!! It was baked potato, butter, sour cream, ground beef, and vinegar on top. She already loves fruit juice.
 

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I can't any advice on doing or not doing this functional doctor's advice but as far as chelation therapy she can save a lot of money by ingesting cheaper things that chelate. Amino acids, malic acid, fulvic acid, and even citric acid are decent chelating agents. I think even aspirin is a good chelator for things like iron and even lead. They may work over longer time period but every single one of these cheap substances has a track record as a chelating agent. So, protein from milk/cheese and apple juice could be a good and cheap chelation therapy that is also Peat-friendly.
 

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Not Peat-friendly, and I don't know how viable it is for your mom, but smoking weed always helps me sleep.
 

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I know Dr Peat has mentioned doing consultations somewhere; his suggested payment of 1/1000th of annual income stuck in my mind. I only had time to search briefly, but came across this interview: Ray Peat Interviews Revisited which suggests he may not do them any more., but he didn't sound adverse to it. You could always email him and ask.
 

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There's a quote here attributed to RP on chelation. Bottom third of the page, he mentions succinic acid as sodium or magnesium succinate. Biocare has a magnesium and calcium succinate supplement. Seems it also inhibits lipid peroxidation.
I noticed on some posts about phenibut on suppversity that there may be a contraindication with it and succinates.

can I sprinkle ala on yogurt? | Mercury Detox / Amalgam Fillings | The Orbis Vitae Community

http://www.cheerzhangover.com/Succinic-Acid-Abstracts.pdf

Phenibut, Addictive Sleep Aid With Unhealthy Hangover? Dosages, Effects, Side Effects and Safety Concerns - SuppVersity: Nutrition and Exercise Science for Everyone
 

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Cypro seems to help people sleep. Also red light therapy.

Is there any actual reasoning behind her believing she has some sort of heavy metal overloas?
 

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Thank you jay, sucrates, keith, biggirlkiss. She was told by this will cole dude that she has signs of metal poisoning, that's her reasoning.
Mum actually slept for three nights in a row, she just said. No reason to get carried away just yet, but it has been years since she got that much good consistent sleep. Sad isn't it. She's been limiting, probably not eliminating, polyunsaturated fat in her diet.
 

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