wordThe unsaturated fats are the most unstable, and also happen to be the longest.
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they're like stored, leaking nuclear waste.
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wordThe unsaturated fats are the most unstable, and also happen to be the longest.
Its true that the longer chain, the less chance for oxidation. Even @Stryker told about his experiment with dairy fat making him gain weight. Butter is not the same as milk because butter has different fatty acid composition. The weight loss from stearic acid could be from uncoupling or replacing linoleic acid....The unsaturated fats are the most unstable, and also happen to be the longest.
Its true that the longer chain, the less chance for oxidation. Even @Stryker told about his experiment with dairy fat making him gain weight. Butter is not the same as milk because butter has different fatty acid composition. The weight loss from stearic acid could be from uncoupling or replacing linoleic acid....
I agree with you but Its still about beta fatty acid oxidation....I havent experienced butter causing weight gain. But I have seen milk cause weight gain. I dont think the fat composition of butter is that different from milk. I do think that milk has a whole host of other components that can easily cause weight gain (which is the entire purpose of milk in the first place lol).
Milk made me fat, while butter with beef tallow has made me excessively lean (so much so that I had to add some MUFA from macadmia nut oil to put on some weight...)
Milk made me fat, while butter with beef tallow has made me excessively lean (so much so that I had to add some MUFA from macadmia nut oil to put on some weight...)
what about cheese and coconut oil?Milk made me fat, while butter with beef tallow has made me excessively lean (so much so that I had to add some MUFA from macadmia nut oil to put on some weight...)
You could have just added some milk back in and received the benefit of extra nutrients. Why choose an oil instead?
what about cheese and coconut oil?
Milk causes more than just weight gain for me. I can't tolerate it. No one in my family can, even my 1 year baby sister (she can only drink goat milk)
Do you think your inability to tolerate it has something to do with why you gain weight when you consume it regularly? Is it fat gain or is it edema that you have historically experienced?
so you telling that you eat a high fat, high sugar, low protein diet and you can still lose bodyfat/ on this if your fats only from butter, beef tallow and coconut oil?Perhaps stop taking it then? I cant take it either, makes me feel terrible.
In my experience people dont get fat on animal fats, particularly butter and beef tallow, they actually rapidly lean out and have trouble putting on weight. Coconut oil doesnt function the same as a long chain fat, its more like a sugar. I personally eat 140g per day of fat 80g of which are SAFA with about 60g of MUFA. Too much saturated fat (tallow + butter) made me way too lean tho, had to add some MUFA (macadamia nut oil) to put on some weight. This is on top of 400g a day of sugar from fruit and 140g of protein from meat. Coconut oil makes me even leaner, but it leaves me hungry, makes my joints dry out over time and has a slight androgen decreasing effect compared to butter and beef tallow.
so you telling that you eat a high fat, high sugar, low protein diet and you can still lose bodyfat/ on this if your fats only from butter, beef tallow and coconut oil?
Doesn't matter if you eat above or under maintenance kcal?
i totally don't understand anymore how body works after reading this types of messages.
Everything i learnt in the past is *poef* devastated.
Blows my mind
The fatty acids in coconut oil (lauric and I think caprylic) have some anti-5AR properties
No. I was alluding to the frequency of the claim that coconut oil is somehow anti-androgenic. This table does not seem to support your statement or your dietary choices, if you do not want to suppress 5α-reductase enzyme activity that is, since oleic acids has a much lower value than the shorter saturated fatty acids. Furthermore, as the first paragraph under the table states, these in vitro studies with fatty acids often yield completely contradictory results. Some times PUFA are shown to have 5α-reductase-promoting properties, and here they have a very low IC-50 value.
egggggggzzzzzaaaaaakkkkkkttttllleeeeeeeeeeeePerhaps stop taking it then? I cant take it either, makes me feel terrible.
In my experience people dont get fat on animal fats, particularly butter and beef tallow, they actually rapidly lean out and have trouble putting on weight. Coconut oil doesnt function the same as a long chain fat, its more like a sugar. I personally eat 140g per day of fat 80g of which are SAFA with about 60g of MUFA. Too much saturated fat (tallow + butter) made me way too lean tho, had to add some MUFA (macadamia nut oil) to put on some weight. This is on top of 400g a day of sugar from fruit and 140g of protein from meat. Coconut oil makes me even leaner, but it leaves me hungry, makes my joints dry out over time and has a slight androgen decreasing effect compared to butter and beef tallow.
Good stuff! The French know what they are doin!! Vive La france! High saturated fat and shugahhhhhh babyyyThe study you posted suggests nothing to support your title. There wasn't a group that ate a diet high in olive oil and compared them to a group that ate a high saturated fat diet, and then measured their weight and fat stores. No, this was primarily a study on the effects of bed rest and Fatty Acid Oxidation.
There was this thread that showed increased FAO does not lead to weight or fat loss - Increased Fat Oxidation (FAO) Does Not Lead To Weight / Fat Loss
Inhibiting FAO has been shown to increase metabolism, and itself may lead to weight and fat loss.
There are also studies that show Saturated Fats, particularly Stearic Acid, can reduce visceral fat and increase lean mass. In this study, Saturated Fat was compared directly to monounsaturated, and the SFA group was leaner- Dietary Stearic Acid Reduces Visceral Fat By 70% And Increases Lean Mass
Valerie Reeves thesis found the same thing- https://pdfs.semanticscholar.org/0f...10.1581695984.1573415180-183858412.1572894484
In both cases, the high Oleic Acid diet led to weight gain.
Lastly, the recommendation of "The Mediterranean Diet" makes me laugh, as Brad point out in this blog post, no country has ever eaten this so called diet on a national scale- The Anti-French Diet - Fire In A Bottle
"A Mediterranean diet is best for weight maintenance: No country on a national scale has ever had a diet remotely close to the theoretical diet that is “The Mediterranean Diet”. Certainly none of these countries do! This is from The Mayo Clinic:
The main components of Mediterranean diet include:
Daily consumption of vegetables, fruits, whole grains and healthy fats
Weekly intake of fish, poultry, beans and eggs
Moderate portions of dairy products
Limited intake of red meat
Mediterranean diet for heart health
Clearly France in 1970, the country whose Southern border is the Mediterranean Sea, had the lowest Mediterranean diet score. And they were protected from obesity."
- Whole Grains – None of the three
- Vegetables and Fruits – Everyone is a winner!
- “Healthy” Fats – I’m guessing that means unsaturated fats so Kuwait would win this category. Nanan is basically fat free, which was cool in the nineties but which isn’t very Mediterranean. So I’m saying just Kuwait wins this one.
- Weekly Intake of fish, poultry, beans and eggs – The people of Nanan don’t eat eggs or beans and they probably don’t eat poultry. France and Kuwait win this category.
- Moderate portions of dairy products – Not in France!
- Limited Intake of red meat – Not in France!
- The Mayo clinic doesn’t mention sugar but I’m pretty sure it’s off the list so France and Kuwait are losers there as well.
I havent experienced butter causing weight gain. But I have seen milk cause weight gain. I dont think the fat composition of butter is that different from milk. I do think that milk has a whole host of other components that can easily cause weight gain (which is the entire purpose of milk in the first place lol).