why does the Pill help many women?

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  1. Peata

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    In my 20s, I was on several different kinds of birth control pills over the years. Here are just a couple examples of bcp formulas that cleared me up and kept me clear no matter what...

    formula #1: 1 mg of ethynodiol diacetate and 50 mcg of ethinyl estradiol
    formulat #2: 0.4 mg norethindrone and 0.035 mg ethinyl estradiol

    The first formula gave me severe morning sickness sometimes.

    Anyway, my questions are, looking at estrogen through the RP lens, why did the Pill do such a great job of taking care of my acne? Why does the Pill benefit a lot of women with various hormonal issues?

    I have no interest in going back on a pill, I am just wanting to know. As I have been battling my hormonal acne lately no matter what I do, my mind is on this stuff.
     
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    I think it's because the hormones you were taking took over your natural cycle and rerouted the intersection at which your system was producing androgens. It wasn't the estrogen -- both hormones just stopped the cascade that was creating too much testosterone.
     
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    Thanks for the info - makes sense. I wasn't sure, but was thinking that they created a balance of hormones -kept them stable and steady.

    I just need to figure out how to stop the androgen cascade now. I still don't have a full grasp of what more I can do. I use progesterone, I've changed up my diet a lot. I use some supplements.
     
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    In an interview RP discussed how estrogen helps with hot flushes in menopausal women by
    shutting down sweat glands. I do not remember the details, but it was something
    about body's response to stress created by estrogen.
    RP often cites an old study where lack of PUFA caused skin problems,
    which were later cured by B vitamins. The explanation was that PUFA
    lowers metabolism and by that it lowers the need for vitamins and minerals.
    When someone goes PUFA free their need for nutrient is much higher.
    Estrogen also lowers metabolism and body temperature, it looks quite similar to
    what happened in PUFA experiment.
     
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    Looking over cronometer, I seem to be doing well with getting my nutrients, especially since I increased sugar, milk, fruit over the last couple weeks. Sometimes I'm a little under in B1 or Folate.

    I THINK my nutrition is covered, unless I'm just not absorbing something well, or need even higher amounts than I realize.
     
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    I'm not sure what your issues are. Is it acne?
     
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    Yes, that's my most consistent problem.

    During other parts of cycle, the estrogen dominance rears up. But the acne is nearly always around to varying degrees.
     
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    In this study, contraceptives were found to lower estrogen and increase testosterone. Show when they actually work, they may do this by being anti-estrogenic??
     
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    B vitamins and topicals. Like maybe dissolve an aspirin in water and apply it? I think your diet and your hormone replacement sound really good so logically those are the next two places to go.
     
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    There is a section on Danny Roddy's email advice page of RP

     
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    Thanks, gals, I'm definitely going to look further into the nutrition aspect.

    The info Mittir gave had me look up another thread on Vit. A: viewtopic.php?f=3&t=1491

    In that thread, Edward was talking about the need for zinc for proper Vit. A utilisation. Most days I get between 5,000 - 8,000 vit. A through diet (vit. A is in my milk, I can't help that.) On the day I eat liver, it goes up to 10,000 - 20,000.

    My zinc, while reaching or exceeding the RDA, is usually 8 - 12 mg.

    If you are eating liver and your acne still reoccurs it is because you are not getting enough zinc. If you take a large dose of Vitamin A and acne temporary goes away it is because of the thyroid suppressing aspect of the large dose. If your zinc intake is insufficient you cannot metabolize Vitamin A efficiently. If zinc is sufficient your requirement for Vitamin A will decrease. Vitamin A metabolism is dependent on zinc status. - Edward.

    I think I will try increasing zinc and a little more B's before adding more A. I'm going to take a supplement. I'm just not turned onto the shellfish lately after getting some bad frozen salad shrimp from the grocery store. I think it had been thawed and then refrozen in the store and had gone bad. I envision someone putting it in their cart then changing their mind, taking it out and sticking it on a shelf where it thawed for however long, then someone threw it back in the cold bin. Thankfully I smelled it before I ate it. And I'm trying to get the taste for oysters but so far not very much. I think if more zinc is going to help, I can get it in me faster and in more volume through a supplement.

    I'll be sure to update.
     
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    from: http://www.dannyroddy.com/main/2013/5/2 ... nd-disease.

    Sometimes, LH and FSH are referred to as "the menopausal hormones" and can cause many complications in the aging woman. Administering "estrogen replacement therapy" can sometimes have a beneficial effect on symptoms that coincide with menopause. While this may seem strange, P.W. Wise found that regulatory nerves in the brain responsible for releasing FSH and LH were "desensitized" in relation to their exposure to estrogen (Wise PW, 2010). Supplemental estrogen suppressed these pituitary hormones.
     
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    Actually I don't think I'll be able to use zinc supplements. I took one from a bottle that I had in the cabinet from a while back and it made me feel sick. My stomach hurts and is kinda nauseous.

    Guess I'll try to fix oysters in a way that I can tolerate. I tried eating one out of the can but I could barely do it because of the taste/look/texture. I think I'll bread and fry some and make a dipping sauce. It's not ideal Peat, but that's the only way I can envision getting them down.
     
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    Thanks for that info, Fabiomin. I guess just because the estrogen is fitting in somewhere and relieving symptoms doesn't mean it's the ideal solution.
     
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    Interesting. It goes against what we hear about taking hormones.
     
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    There are better ways to lower LF, FSH and in general pituitary hormones, for exemple by thyroid hormones, progesterone, vitamina E, magnesium.

    Yet estrogen replacement therapy can sometimes have a beneficial effect on symptoms.
     
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    Definitely. All those years when I took the Pill, I knew it was just covering symptoms, but I had absolutely no other solution for the horrible acne. I felt like I'd be stuck on the Pill for life.

    I tried going off it over the years, and every time my face would explode in awful cystic acne. I'd get depressed.

    By the time I was 30 though, I felt like the Pill was contributing to metabolic problems. When I went on Metformin, I was able to go off the Pill and continue having clear skin.

    But when I hit age 36, even the Met wasn't enough, and I was clobbered with some bad cystic acne among all the other estrogen dominance symptoms. My gyn. could only offer the Pill again but I resisted. I had a feeling it was all due to estrogen and tried different supplements and diets to try to help, but they didn't. Abstaining from alcohol helped a lot. Ironically, going onto the Peat eating, the acne has become worse again but I feel differently about it this time because I can tell a lot of hormonal changes are taking place because of the Peat stuff. So I feel like it's a matter of riding this out and tweaking nutrition, and I'll get there.

    That's the hope. I feel so good otherwise that I have no interest in any other woe anyway.
     
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    With cocktail sauce on a cracker. Not ideal Peat, but easier than frying. Oyster stew also works.
     
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    The oyster stew I made with cream from milk makes it delish!
     
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    I'll try those at some point.

    Right now I just fried up the can of oysters and I actually love them. I soaked them in milk for a bit, rolled in flour, fried til nice and crispy brown in coconut oil. Well salted. Now this is a taste I can get behind.

    I made up a dipping sauce with sour cream and garlic/chili condiment. It tastes and feels almost like I'm eating fried mushrooms. I think next time I'll dip them in ketchup.

    I can definitely see adding oysters to my weekly lineup now.
     
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