Why Does Milk Tank My Blood Sugar?

[gately]

Cow milk gives me mucus, so I drink warm goat milk which digests very well. Both forms of milk however TANK my blood sugar, leaving me lifeless. However: adding sugar to the milk fixes this issue. That’s fine and good, but I want to understand why I can’t drink unsugared milk. Anyone have any theories on this?

 

[tca300]

Palmitic Acid (palmitate) Strongly Increases Oxidative Metabolism

Palmitic Acid (palmitate) Is A Fatty Acid Oxidation Inhibitor More Powerful Than Mildronate

Calcium and dairy acceleration of weight and fat loss during energy restriction in obese adults. - PubMed - NCBI

https://www.fasebj.org/doi/abs/10.1096/fj.00-0584fje

 

[gately]

I’m not trying to study for a PhD just to find out why I can’t drink milk on its own, my dude. Are you high?

 

[gately]

Palmitic Acid (palmitate) Strongly Increases Oxidative Metabolism

Palmitic Acid (palmitate) Is A Fatty Acid Oxidation Inhibitor More Powerful Than Mildronate

Calcium and dairy acceleration of weight and fat loss during energy restriction in obese adults. - PubMed - NCBI

https://www.fasebj.org/doi/abs/10.1096/fj.00-0584fje

Also how does ANY of that answer my extremely simple question?

 

[jitsmonkey]

adding sugar to it is the appropriate response
some people require a larger carbohydrate to protein ratio than others
per 8-10 ounces I will often add 4 oz coke or 1-2 tbs sugar or 1-2 tbs hersheys chocolate syrup
or any other sweetener you like
this is not an unusual experience and easily remedied
you're simply drinking the milk and your running out of the fuel needed to metabolize it.

@tca300's comment is valuable and correct as well
those are studies that can also explain your experience
however the most common/likely is simply the carb to protein ration in milk.

Not knowing you or anything about you
one common experience is good food will often stop the stress response
and for people who are chronically stressed
they feel "tired/lifeless/lethargic" after eating foods that feed them particularly well.
That's called "relaxation" its often times a new experience for those who are chronically stressed. These people run on exitement and when the source of their inner excitement is
squelched the relaxation that ensues is seen as "fatigue" when in fact
its the damp smoldering left after the fire that was burning your house down was put out.

 

[gately]

adding sugar to it is the appropriate response
some people require a larger carbohydrate to protein ratio than others
per 8-10 ounces I will often add 4 oz coke or 1-2 tbs sugar or 1-2 tbs hersheys chocolate syrup
or any other sweetener you like
this is not an unusual experience and easily remedied
you're simply drinking the milk and your running out of the fuel needed to metabolize it.

Right. As I said, I am adding sugar and that does fix the problem. I want to understand why it’s needed in my case. It’s obviously indicative of some problem: a healthy person can drink a glass of milk no problem, apparently I cannot without the added sugar. Trying to understand what’s off with my body.

 

[jitsmonkey]

I just told you.
Its not necessarily a problem
some people require more fuel to metabolize protein.

your premise of "a healthy person can" is wrong

there is also the extremely common lack of efficiency from the liver
so you could work on that (search function will yield copious info re:
helping your liver out). But to assume something is wrong
or needs fixing isn't a correct assumption

 

[gately]

I just told you.
Its not necessarily a problem
some people require more fuel to metabolize protein.

your premise of "a healthy person can" is wrong

Fully disagree. But thanks for your input.

 

[jitsmonkey]

I once watched 2 people drink a quart of donkey semen on the TV show Fear Factor back in college
that doesn't make it a benchmark.
Just because some people "can" do something doesn't make it a benchmark either
best of luck.
protein digestion REQUIRES FUEL this is not a debatable point.

 

[gately]

I once watched 2 people drink a quart of donkey semen on the TV show Fear Factor back in college
that doesn't make it a benchmark.
Just because some people "can" do something doesn't make it a benchmark either
best of luck.
protein digestion REQUIRES FUEL this is not a debatable point.

I can eat a fatty ribeye steak on its own and feel fine. But I can’t have a glass of milk without needing sugar?

 

[tca300]

Also how does ANY of that answer my extremely simple question?

You are pretty rude for someone asking for help. My point is palmitic acid ( the main fat in dairy fat ) strongly increases the metabolism as well as the oxidation of sugar, leaving your blood sugar low, therefore causing fatigue. Combine that with high calcium which also increases the metabolic rate you have a food that has a high potential to lower blood sugar.

 

[jitsmonkey]

I can eat a fatty ribeye steak on its own and feel fine. But I can’t have a glass of milk without needing sugar?

you've had 2 people give you a reasonable variety of answers
you obviously don't like any of them
keep fishing till you find something that makes ya feel right
enjoy.

 

[gately]

You are pretty rude for someone asking for help. My point is palmitic acid ( the main fat in dairy fat ) strongly increases the metabolism as well as the oxidation of sugar, leaving your blood sugar low, therefore causing fatigue. Combine that with high calcium which also increases the metabolic rate you have a food that has a high potential to lower blood sugar.

I appreciate you explaining this. You’re right, I am rude.

 

[jitsmonkey]

ohhh I think this one may soothe your rightousness gene
but I'm done after this one....

The Travis Corner

@Travis Alright my bad about getting the details of your experience wrong I was going off of what I thought I remembered you writing in the past, not just that one post. And “anti stress chemical”? I said that I think milk has an anti stress effect do to its protein and glucose content maybe the calcium content. And also probably from the progesterone content. Before I increased my thyroid hormone levels many anti stress substances would leAve me feeling tired and unmotivated because I had been relying on adrenaline for energy. I cant remember what you said exactly about dairy but I thought you said It made you feel unmotivated. And I said “I think I remember” within regards to nicotine and the opioid system do you think I just made that up to say something bad about nicotine? And There’s this here Nicotine effects and the endogenous opioid system. - PubMed - NCBI
“. The opioid-receptor antagonist naloxone (NLX) elicits NIC withdrawal after repeated NIC administration“
Now am I interpreting parts of that study wrong? Probably. Do I understand everything they’re talking about? Hell no. But why would an opiod antagonist cause nicotine withdrawal?
You should email Ray Peat about this (milk and the opiod system) I’m sure he’d appreciate the back and forth.

 

[ecstatichamster]

I believe it's the whey that lowers blood sugar.

Effect of whey on blood glucose and insulin responses to composite breakfast and lunch meals in type 2 diabetic subjects
Conclusions:It can be concluded that the addition of whey to meals with rapidly digested and absorbed carbohydrates stimulates insulin release and reduces postprandial blood glucose excursion after a lunch meal consisting of mashed potatoes and meatballs in type 2 diabetic subjects.

Effect of premeal consumption of whey protein and its hydrolysate on food intake and postmeal glycemia and insulin responses in young adults
Background: Dairy protein ingestion before a meal reduces food intake and, when consumed with carbohydrate, reduces blood glucose.

Objective: The objective was to describe the effect of whey protein (WP) or its hydrolysate (WPH) when consumed before a meal on food intake, pre- and postmeal satiety, and concentrations of blood glucose and insulin in healthy young adults.

Design: Two randomized crossover studies were conducted. WP (10–40 g) in 300 mL water was provided in experiment 1, and WP (5–40 g) and WPH (10 g) in 300 mL water were provided in experiment 2. At 30 min after consumption, the subjects were fed an ad libitum pizza meal (experiment 1) or a preset pizza meal (12 kcal/kg, experiment 2). Satiety, blood glucose, and insulin were measured at baseline and at intervals both before and after the meals.

Results: In experiment 1, 20–40 g WP suppressed food intake (P < 0.0001) and 10–40 g WP reduced postmeal blood glucose concentrations and the area under the curve (AUC) (P < 0.05). In experiment 2, 10–40 g WP, but not WPH, reduced postmeal blood glucose AUC and insulin AUC in a dose-dependent manner (P < 0.05). The ratio of cumulative blood glucose to insulin AUCs (0–170 min) was reduced by ≥10 g WP but not by 10 g WPH.

Conclusions: WP consumed before a meal reduces food intake, postmeal blood glucose and insulin, and the ratio of cumulative blood glucose to insulin AUCs in a dose-dependent manner. Intact WP, but not WPH, contributes to blood glucose control by both insulin-dependent and insulin-independent mechanisms. This trial was registered at clinicaltrials.gov as NCT00988377 and NCT00988182.

 

[schultz]

I believe it's the whey that lowers blood sugar.

Effect of whey on blood glucose and insulin responses to composite breakfast and lunch meals in type 2 diabetic subjects
Conclusions:It can be concluded that the addition of whey to meals with rapidly digested and absorbed carbohydrates stimulates insulin release and reduces postprandial blood glucose excursion after a lunch meal consisting of mashed potatoes and meatballs in type 2 diabetic subjects.

Effect of premeal consumption of whey protein and its hydrolysate on food intake and postmeal glycemia and insulin responses in young adults
Background: Dairy protein ingestion before a meal reduces food intake and, when consumed with carbohydrate, reduces blood glucose.

Objective: The objective was to describe the effect of whey protein (WP) or its hydrolysate (WPH) when consumed before a meal on food intake, pre- and postmeal satiety, and concentrations of blood glucose and insulin in healthy young adults.

Design: Two randomized crossover studies were conducted. WP (10–40 g) in 300 mL water was provided in experiment 1, and WP (5–40 g) and WPH (10 g) in 300 mL water were provided in experiment 2. At 30 min after consumption, the subjects were fed an ad libitum pizza meal (experiment 1) or a preset pizza meal (12 kcal/kg, experiment 2). Satiety, blood glucose, and insulin were measured at baseline and at intervals both before and after the meals.

Results: In experiment 1, 20–40 g WP suppressed food intake (P < 0.0001) and 10–40 g WP reduced postmeal blood glucose concentrations and the area under the curve (AUC) (P < 0.05). In experiment 2, 10–40 g WP, but not WPH, reduced postmeal blood glucose AUC and insulin AUC in a dose-dependent manner (P < 0.05). The ratio of cumulative blood glucose to insulin AUCs (0–170 min) was reduced by ≥10 g WP but not by 10 g WPH.

Conclusions: WP consumed before a meal reduces food intake, postmeal blood glucose and insulin, and the ratio of cumulative blood glucose to insulin AUCs in a dose-dependent manner. Intact WP, but not WPH, contributes to blood glucose control by both insulin-dependent and insulin-independent mechanisms. This trial was registered at clinicaltrials.gov as NCT00988377 and NCT00988182.

I was just writing something similar.

Certain amino acids (leucine for example) are insulinotropic. Milk is a pretty good source of these, which is why it's good for growth.

 

[Cirion]

Also, someone with a sluggish metabolism cannot easily convert the tryptophan to niacin. For that person, it will turn into serotonin instead, a torpor hormone.

Cow milk is a problem for most people, especially the crap they sell in stores. I generally only recommend raw cow's milk if you want to drink cow milk or at least try to find some of the A2 stuff, or something non-homogenized.

 

[gately]

Also, someone with a sluggish metabolism cannot easily convert the tryptophan to niacin. For that person, it will turn into serotonin instead, a torpor hormone.

Cow milk is a problem for most people, especially the crap they sell in stores. I generally only recommend raw cow's milk if you want to drink cow milk or at least try to find some of the A2 stuff, or something non-homogenized.

I appreciate everyone’s thoughts. Some interesting theories here. Just want to point out Cirion, that my hypoglycemic reaction occurs with ALL forms of milk: raw, pasteurized, A1/A2, goat, boiled milk, warm milk, whatever.

The only solution I’ve found is to add honey or sugar.

Also, recommending raw milk is just dangerous. I realize you mean well but A- the health benefits are way overblown, and B- so many people do this and get sick. Many do not even know they’ve caught something until they finally see an infectious disease specialist years after becoming ill. Buying raw milk is fine, but please everyone BOIL it before drinking. I myself caught Brucellosis years ago from drinking raw milk from a well regarded dairy farm in New Mexico and had to take antibiotics for 3 months to clear it.

Even Ayurveda tells people to boil milk and that raw milk (unless it’s extremely fresh, like literally right from the cow) is much harder to digest, and they pretty much wrote the book on all things milk.

 

[Lolinaa]

I do drink cold raw milk sometimes so its good to know about the brucellosis.

I really laugh with your post. You are funny.