Why Do People Think New Coronavirus Is A Normal Flu?

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I don't say it's fine because of "the establishment." I just haven't seen anything resembling anything near good science to suggest that it's anything more than a common cold virus, which is what the Corona family of viruses help cause. Also, as I've said numerous times, people getting sick and dying, supposedly due only to COVID 19, can be explained through well known and existing diseases and conditions. Besides all of that, there is nothing to justify the overreaction especially of governments and the media.
It ain't ebola, but the combination of infectivity and mortality rate makes it particularly nasty. even if it had the mortality rate of flu, which it doesnt, the infectivity being higher makes it worse. It's easy to catch just from areosolized particles floating in air in public places without ever being in close contact with someone else

as for media "overreaction", as taleb points out what looks like overreaction in terms of pandemic preparedness is sound because the risks are hard to predict and way worse than the consequences of overreaction. I can't actually think of anything that terrible about a quarantine besides people being inside toxic buildings, which is not necessary in many quarantines (in some people can still go to parks and stuff). it shuts down the fake financialized economy, who cares. let the stock market crash, seriously who cares. it makes lines on a graph go down. again, who cares.

so, even if we did overreact which is the opposite of whats happened (we were way underprepared compared to east asian countries), we would face less harm than the worst case scenarios of underreacting
 
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people will be not understanding exponential growth and claiming its just the flu until it surpasses flu deaths, then they will change their tune to "its just a little worse than the flu" or "nobody could've predicted this"
 

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Also, take a look at the where the deaths have taken place in the US and Italy (since those are the most covered by the media). When half of your deaths are coming from one city in a country.........then something is up.:eek:
Yes, something is up. Outbreaks of infectious disease.
theres no logic, its just dumb contrarianism.

It's a very bad and very infectious virus. it's worse than the flu.
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For a significant proportion it's worse than the flu. For the majority it's not severe (ie no pneumonia, no need for ventilator, etc). Because it's more infectious than flu, and seems to have a higher CFR at least , it can get a lot of people.
also, environmental factors being an issue and there being a virus are not mutually exclusive. Its true environmental pollution could weaken peoples immune system but the coronavirus is still pretty nasty.
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also, environmental factors being an issue and there being a virus are not mutually exclusive. Its true environmental pollution could weaken peoples immune system but the coronavirus is still pretty nasty. Imo its related to planetary dysbiosis

You have death anxiety...otherwise you wouldn't be making such bombastic statements.

edit: quoted the wrong post, but message stands.
 
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It ain't ebola, but the combination of infectivity and mortality rate makes it particularly nasty. even if it had the mortality rate of flu, which it doesnt, the infectivity being higher makes it worse. It's easy to catch just from areosolized particles floating in air in public places without ever being in close contact with someone else

as for media "overreaction", as taleb points out what looks like overreaction in terms of pandemic preparedness is sound because the risks are hard to predict and way worse than the consequences of overreaction. I can't actually think of anything that terrible about a quarantine besides people being inside toxic buildings, which is not necessary in many quarantines (in some people can still go to parks and stuff). it shuts down the fake financialized economy, who cares. let the stock market crash, seriously who cares. it makes lines on a graph go down. again, who cares.

so, even if we did overreact which is the opposite of whats happened (we were way underprepared compared to east asian countries), we would face less harm than the worst case scenarios of underreacting

Ridiculous. The mortality rate, by actual studies, and not just wildly unproven "modeling" techniques, is estimated as low as 0.5% to 0.04%. You are buying into non-scientific hype.

Mortality Rate Of COVID-19 Is 0.5%, Much Lower Than CDC / WHO Claims
 
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people will be not understanding exponential growth and claiming its just the flu until it surpasses flu deaths, then they will change their tune to "its just a little worse than the flu" or "nobody could've predicted this"

But what if it doesn't surpass flu deaths? Seasonal flu is estimated to kill 300,000 to 500,000 a year, every year. This particular mutation of the family of Corona Viruses (which have been going around the planet for decades, at least) has only been associated with 40,000 deaths so far (not necessarily causal, mind you), over 4 months. Assuming it doubles that rate in the summer months (which no other disease ever has), and taking the numbers at face value, you are left with 40,000 plus 80,000 over 8 months, for a total of 120,000. Double that number again in the winter months? Fine. You're up to 240,000. Not even to the Seasonal Flu yearly estimate, and that is being very, very generous with the math.

Then it has to do that same thing next year. And the year after that. And the year after that. And so on.
 

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So if it is no more infectious or deadly than regular flu then we can expect these new hospitals being built at a cost of billions to remain empty?
 
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@debored13 are you paid by Bill Gates? What a senseless fearmongering. Otherwise it's an anxiety issue, Xanax maybe?
 
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So if it is no more infectious or deadly than regular flu then we can expect these new hospitals being built at a cost of billions to remain empty?

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it is more deadly than regular flu. I have no question about that.

Maybe not as infectious, or equally infectious. Flu isn't that infectious to begin with. It's hard to infect others with the flu.

But you don't want to get it. It is really, really bad.
 

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it is more deadly than regular flu. I have no question about that.

Maybe not as infectious, or equally infectious. Flu isn't that infectious to begin with. It's hard to infect others with the flu.

But you don't want to get it. It is really, really bad.

hamster, what measures are you taking to fight it? Vitamin c, pharmaceuticals, etc?
 

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Shame on you for making such a fearmongering thread.

Look into statistics, not brainwashing from media.

Here, mortality statistics from europe. We have near record low mortality this year.

EURO MOMO - outputs - zscore pooled

Also USA seems to have record low mortality

Death numbers are decreased
Really interesting, and a great argument that quarantining saves lives. Granted, keeping people indoors is going to lower overall fatality for reasons beyond infectious disease, such as fewer automobile accidents.
 

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What do you mean? For instance Sweden has not done any quarantine and many other european countries don't limit movement even if some business and school are shut down. And still europe has record low mortality.
 

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What do you mean? For instance Sweden has not done any quarantine and many other european countries don't limit movement even if some business and school are shut down. And still europe has record low mortality.
I was looking at the chart for the USA. An average mortality rate at the start of the year became a very low mortality rate compared to previous years. The EU has foreign travel restrictions, and numerous countries are limiting movement.
 

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