Why do I get post orgasmic illness after masturbating

[Frankdee20]

I’m fine having sex, or masturbating with a partner, but can’t please myself without feeling ill. Muscle pains, depression, pressure behind the eyes, spasm in my neck and face, yellow eyes, low energy, low motivation, eye floaters, etc. I only masturbate twice a year or so. This has nothing to do with pornography either, even if I just fantasize in my head, this happen. Jesus Christ, I’m going to feel like ***t for three days.

 

[miquelangeles]

Maybe prostaglandins? Or the lack of prostaglandins?
Some prostaglandins can have potent anti-inflammatory effects depending on context.
The prostate secretory function is markedly different in masturbation vs intercourse, and the semen also has different characteristics.
For some people a NSAID cocktail taken before the activity completely prevents the symptoms.

 

[Frankdee20]

Maybe prostaglandins? Or the lack of prostaglandins?
Some prostaglandins can have potent anti-inflammatory effects depending on context.
The prostate secretory function is markedly different in masturbation vs intercourse, and the semen also has different characteristics.
For some people a NSAID cocktail taken before the activity completely prevents the symptoms.

You might be correct, the symptoms feel quite inflammatory in nature. Sometimes, Aspirin helps.

 

[Nomane Euger]

You might be correct, the symptoms feel quite inflammatory in nature. Sometimes, Aspirin helps.

hi,pure speculation,perhaps the very rare times you masturbate it is in a context where you body is to far from optimal state to have orgasm and ejaculate,and when you have sex you feel good enough before to not suffer the symptoms,and even womens can have a positive noticable effect on your energy/masculinity in some context,wich i experienced myself,and never got this from masturbation

 

[miquelangeles]

You might be correct, the symptoms feel quite inflammatory in nature. Sometimes, Aspirin helps.

There is also a paper describing complete resolution of POIS symptoms after increasing T. It is known that simply being in the presence of a woman is able to cause an increase in T, so that increase could be one of the protective factors. Morning wood is strongly associated with both free and total T. But it goes both ways, so maintaining an erection for 10-15 minutes (without ejaculation) will also increase T. You could try that a few hours later or the next day, to shift the hormonal balance. (some studies reported increased LH, T and decreased prolactin after sexual arousal). Purposefully generating visual mental imagery of partnered sex will also have a physiological effect.
Also, you could experiment with light therapy. I posted a few times about my experience with bright incandescent light. It sounds too simple and it's easily disregarded, but it has to be done right and then the effects are very powerful. The amount of research papers and books published on light therapy is impressive.
Light can be used in many ways, but the most profound and long lasting effects can be obtained by manipulating the photoperiod.
Ray mentioned this a few times in his interviews but people don't realize its significance.
Photoperiodism is the ability of plants and animals to measure the day length in order to precisely estimate the time of the year.
This is very important because the organism will allocate resources accordingly depending on the environmental conditions - for reproduction vs survival.
Reproduction is seasonal across all living organisms including humans.
T levels also fluctuate throughout the year.
The key is to use incandescent light for 15-16 hours per day in order to trick the brain into believing it's summer and there's an abundance of food available.
Studies on male goats show that increasing photoperiod to 16 hrs of artificial light per day is more effective than supplementing T for reproduction.
Light has zero effect if the diet is not rich in all macro and micro nutrients.

 

[Nomane Euger]

There is also a paper describing complete resolution of POIS symptoms after increasing T. It is known that simply being in the presence of a woman is able to cause an increase in T, so that increase could be one of the protective factors. Morning wood is strongly associated with both free and total T. But it goes both ways, so maintaining an erection for 10-15 minutes (without ejaculation) will also increase T. You could try that a few hours later or the next day, to shift the hormonal balance. (some studies reported increased LH, T and decreased prolactin after sexual arousal). Purposefully generating visual mental imagery of partnered sex will also have a physiological effect.
Also, you could experiment with light therapy. I posted a few times about my experience with bright incandescent light. It sounds too simple and it's easily disregarded, but it has to be done right and then the effects are very powerful. The amount of research papers and books published on light therapy is impressive.
Light can be used in many ways, but the most profound and long lasting effects can be obtained by manipulating the photoperiod.
Ray mentioned this a few times in his interviews but people don't realize its significance.
Photoperiodism is the ability of plants and animals to measure the day length in order to precisely estimate the time of the year.
This is very important because the organism will allocate resources accordingly depending on the environmental conditions - for reproduction vs survival.
Reproduction is seasonal across all living organisms including humans.
T levels also fluctuate throughout the year.
The key is to use incandescent light for 15-16 hours per day in order to trick the brain into believing it's summer and there's an abundance of food available.
Studies on male goats show that increasing photoperiod to 16 hrs of artificial light per day is more effective than supplementing T for reproduction.
Light has zero effect if the diet is not rich in all macro and micro nutrients.

most of your points are relevants,i have experienced it myself. "Light has zero effect if the diet is not rich in all macro and micro nutrients"yes,and on the other hand experienced a drastic difference in the effects caused by the very same food depending on artificial light on or off,with onlywinter day light,chocking,artificial light is chockingly powerfull,i eat a bunch of ripe fruits/cococonut water/honey with winter daylight,feel good,i eat the same artifical light on,euphoria,muscle fullness,deep voice,enthousiasme,creativitivity,sex dreams near the highest degree i have experienced.with ripe fruits/coconut water and honey and artificial light on i can sleep very little like 2hours,and still feel fantastic.these "adapt your lighting to seasons,redlight at 6pm in the winter"dudes are full of ***t

 

[Frankdee20]

hi,pure speculation,perhaps the very rare times you masturbate it is in a context where you body is to far from optimal state to have orgasm and ejaculate,and when you have sex you feel good enough before to not suffer the symptoms,and even womens can have a positive noticable effect on your energy/masculinity in some context,wich i experienced myself,and never got this from masturbation

I notice that if I engage in sex afterwards, the symptoms vanish completely, because it usually lasts a day or two

 

[Nomane Euger]

I notice that if I engage in sex afterwards, the symptoms vanish completely, because it usually lasts a day or two

yea spending time with women can have powerfull effects,even if you feel mediocre a woman can bring you back to a good state just by talking to her,dont even require sex

 

[miquelangeles]

most of your points are relevants,i have experienced it myself. "Light has zero effect if the diet is not rich in all macro and micro nutrients"yes,and on the other hand experienced a drastic difference in the effects caused by the very same food depending on artificial light on or off,with onlywinter day light,chocking,artificial light is chockingly powerfull,i eat a bunch of ripe fruits/cococonut water/honey with winter daylight,feel good,i eat the same artifical light on,euphoria,muscle fullness,deep voice,enthousiasme,creativitivity,sex dreams near the highest degree i have experienced.with ripe fruits/coconut water and honey and artificial light on i can sleep very little like 2hours,and still feel fantastic.these "adapt your lighting to seasons,redlight at 6pm in the winter"dudes are full of ***t

Yes, I also noticed different food cravings when using light vs when not using.
There are many types of artificial light, which ones did you experiment with and what intensities?

 

[Frankdee20]

yea spending time with women can have powerfull effects,even if you feel mediocre a woman can bring you back to a good state just by talking to her,dont even require sex

Yeah, but I’m incredibly isolated and left my girlfriend to escape vaccine mandates where we lived. We are still together but she’s six hours away.

 

[Nomane Euger]

Yeah, but I’m incredibly isolated and left my girlfriend to escape vaccine mandates where we lived. We are still together but she’s six hours away.

if you CANT see your GF and you know that women increase your wellbeing/power/energy to a degree you wish to be and you cant reach with out seeing women,go enjoy your life and see other women

 

[Nomane Euger]

Yes, I also noticed different food cravings when using light vs when not using.
There are many types of artificial light, which ones did you experiment with and what intensities?

i dont have any knowledge about the light is bright and yellow,not disgusting white ones

 

[Frankdee20]

if you CANT see your GF and you know that women increase your wellbeing/power/energy to a degree you wish to be and you cant reach with out seeing women,go enjoy your life and see other women

Yes, I’m not against that lol. Again, I’m a loner and isolated from society. Dating apps are useless because nobody even responds to a simple hello and how’s it going. I know I’m not ugly either so it’s not that. This town sucks balls, and the women are fat and ugly. Last week, I had to close my eyes just to perform with one of them. No makeup on her, three pairs of sweatpants lol… It’s horrible, and no amount of alcohol was going to make her attractive. If my eyes opened, I’d lose my erection lol

 

[Nomane Euger]

Yes, I’m not against that lol. Again, I’m a loner and isolated from society. Dating apps are useless because nobody even responds to a simple hello and how’s it going. I know I’m not ugly either so it’s not that. This town sucks balls, and the women are fat and ugly. Last week, I had to close my eyes just to perform with one of them. No makeup on her, three pairs of sweatpants lol… It’s horrible, and no amount of alcohol was going to make her attractive. If my eyes opened, I’d lose my erection lol

you can be a loner,its fine,improve your assertiveness And quietude if you feel deem it not high enough so you talk with the rare womens you enjoy in a chill
Manner and it’s gonna be all good

 

[SamYo123]

Yes, I’m not against that lol. Again, I’m a loner and isolated from society. Dating apps are useless because nobody even responds to a simple hello and how’s it going. I know I’m not ugly either so it’s not that. This town sucks balls, and the women are fat and ugly. Last week, I had to close my eyes just to perform with one of them. No makeup on her, three pairs of sweatpants lol… It’s horrible, and no amount of alcohol was going to make her attractive. If my eyes opened, I’d lose my erection lol

"because nobody even responds to a simple hello and how’s it going"

Thats because its common response from most men without game, its not making her tingle

 

[Frankdee20]

"because nobody even responds to a simple hello and how’s it going"

Thats because its common response from most men without game, its not making her tingle

Fair enough, but then you have Tinder and Bumble where you still need to match first, and can’t message without that. I get no matches up here. I just think it’s this stupid **** town

 

[SamYo123]

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Fair enough, but then you have Tinder and Bumble where you still need to match first, and can’t message without that. I get no matches up here. I just think it’s this stupid **** town

100% of woman find 80% men unattractive online.

Approach irl

 

[Frankdee20]

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100% of woman find 80% men unattractive online.

Approach irl

Lol. So what’s the point

 

[Frankdee20]

Lol. So what’s the point

 

[Frankdee20]

It probably doesn’t help me much when my profile reads : No single moms please, if you were a catch, he wouldn’t have left ?????