Why Do Covid Fatalities Remain Low When Infection Numbers Are Rising?

[haidut]

The actual title of the news article. I will leave this here without much comment, but needless to say you won't see this discussed on social media or MSM.
Why do Covid fatalities remain low when infection numbers are rising?

@Drareg @Giraffe @tankasnowgod @boris

 

[Peater Piper]

Probably for the same reason you don't tend to see people dropping dead from the influenza and the many cold viruses during the summer. They're still around, but better immunity (and higher humidity) prevents severe infection.

 

[Drareg]

The actual title of the news article. I will leave this here without much comment, but needless to say you won't see this discussed on social media or MSM.
Why do Covid fatalities remain low when infection numbers are rising?

@Drareg @Giraffe @tankasnowgod @boris

They are doing damage limitation now, most people will start to question the media’s coverage at some point once the cult dissonance kicks in, we will still have stragglers that are hoping for doomsday this coming winter, the media are responsible for most of the hysteria, they have profited from advertising revenue by generating doomsday clickbait headlines, they can say they were relatively objective by citing articles like this, obviously they still can’t be bothered to dig deeper like going into PCR testing and it’s many flaws.

It’s important come flu season that people become aware of children who die from flu each year or else the flu deaths will be put down to covid 19, they tried pulling the kawasaki disease headlines a few months ago but got caught out and just dropped it.
Flu tests should also be provided for people this coming season ,if they are going to continue with the current PCR tests that test for common cold coronaviruses they will just pull the same scam by claiming flu is sars-cov-2.

Meanwhile politicians all over Europe are being caught breaching covid19 legislation and guidelines.

 

[Peater Piper]

Flu tests should also be provided for people this coming season ,if they are going to continue with the current PCR tests that test for common cold coronaviruses

Those are already being used. Keep in mind there's only a few thousand official flu deaths in the USA per yer anyway. I'm sure the real number is higher, but pneumonia deaths hover around 50k. Any upper respiratory infection is capable of leading to pneumonia under the right conditions, which is why pneumonia deaths surge in the winter and wane in the summer. The CDC just has to push the flu narrative because that's where the vaccines are, so the hundreds of cold viruses which are just as capable of leading to pneumonia take a back seat.

Information for Laboratories about Coronavirus (COVID-19)

 

[Drareg]

Those are already being used. Keep in mind there's only a few thousand official flu deaths in the USA per yer anyway. I'm sure the real number is higher, but pneumonia deaths hover around 50k. Any upper respiratory infection is capable of leading to pneumonia under the right conditions, which is why pneumonia deaths surge in the winter and wane in the summer. The CDC just has to push the flu narrative because that's where the vaccines are, so the hundreds of cold viruses which are just as capable of leading to pneumonia take a back seat.

Information for Laboratories about Coronavirus (COVID-19)

Right, pretty much all non accidental deaths involve the respiratory tract at some point in disease progression, it becomes a reservoir of viruses and bacteria.
My guess is with PCR testing used in the same manner as covid19 we would discover flu viruses in far more people, it had to be something new and novel for joe public’s mind to consider vaccines again, they always play with language, the patterns underlying the words are the same more or less.

 

[Peater Piper]

My guess is with PCR testing used in the same manner as covid19 we would discover flu viruses in far more people, it had to be something new and novel for joe public’s mind to consider vaccines again, they always play with language, the patterns underlying the words are the same more or less.

I still don't think the CDC will unhitch their wagon from the flu. I'm already seeing stories about how the flu shot will be more important than ever this winter, so that's going to be pushed hard since the USA likely won't have a SARS-CoV-2 vaccine until early 2021.

 

[Drareg]

I still don't think the CDC will unhitch their wagon from the flu. I'm already seeing stories about how the flu shot will be more important than ever this winter, so that's going to be pushed hard since the USA likely won't have a SARS-CoV-2 vaccine until early 2021.

No they won’t unhitch the wagon for the reasons you mention, they still need some numbers to justify vaccines, there was no way they could generate the hysteria this year with a regular flu virus or a slightly worse flu season, people have too much experience in life to be spooked by flu.

 

[tankasnowgod]

Those are already being used. Keep in mind there's only a few thousand official flu deaths in the USA per yer anyway. I'm sure the real number is higher, but pneumonia deaths hover around 50k. Any upper respiratory infection is capable of leading to pneumonia under the right conditions, which is why pneumonia deaths surge in the winter and wane in the summer. The CDC just has to push the flu narrative because that's where the vaccines are, so the hundreds of cold viruses which are just as capable of leading to pneumonia take a back seat.

Information for Laboratories about Coronavirus (COVID-19)

The CDC lists Flu and Pneumonia deaths together, and it's one of their tricks to inflate the number of flu deaths. That's why you see the estimate of 35,000-60,000 every year.

The true number of people who die of the flu is much lower than reported. The numbers kicked around are as low as 20 (yes, only 20 for all of the US), to around 1500.

I'm convinced you could get people to be terrified of dandruff, if they started listing "dandruff" on death certificates of people who have it. Just have the government pay hospitals an extra $10,000 for every "Dandruff death," and then start blazing the "CNN DANDRUFF DEATH COUNT" every day.

That's the secret..... no one really dies from the flu, and the same tricks apply to COVID 19. No one really dies from that, either. The CDC has been amassing numbers without any claim of causality. It's why they can list a motorcycle crash victim as a COVID death, and not even consider it lying. They aren't lying, according to the rules they set up.

With false positives on the tests being as high as 80%, and obvious underlying conditions being anywhere from 88-99% in COVID deaths, the 160,000+ figures are obviously suspect. Doing some quick division with those numbers, you could see the "actual" COVID 19 deaths being closer to 17,000 to 1,500 to well under 100 in the US. I still think the total number of people who have died FROM Covid 19 remains at 0.

Peter Doshi's articles on how the CDC artificially inflates flu deaths-

Are U.S. Flu Death Figures More PR Than Science?.

Influenza: marketing vaccine by marketing disease

 

[tankasnowgod]

the media are responsible for most of the hysteria, they have profited from advertising revenue by generating doomsday clickbait headlines,

Absolutely incorrect. While the media is indeed responsible for the hysteria, the advertising industry (like all other industries) is completely devastated from this. This was a nuclear option for media, and they destroyed themselves along with everything, at least in the short and medium term.

Ad rates are 10-20% of what they were compared to February of this year. Businesses aren't buying airtime. Why would they, if they were closed? If you watch any TV with ads, it's littered with free PSAs and lots of Direct Response ads, which usually command lower rates. That's the thing with Supply and Demand, you need both in order for any business to take place. I know lots of people working in media and advertising, and every company has taken a hit, even ones that seem to be weathering the storm better than others. Many worker had to either take a pay cut, or got laid off or furloughed.

So even if CNN, MSNBC, Fox did okay, maybe only losing 30% of ad revenue (in an election year, when they generally make a lot more money), they are all owned by entertainment conglomerates that took massive hits. TNT and TBS, for example, are also owned by Ted Turner, and they lost all ad revenue that goes along with the NCAA tournament, and have taken hits on their NBA, and likely MLB revenue as well.

 

[lvysaur]

Here's a possible theory:

- Original COVID (December) was a Chinese vaccine. Attempt to protect population from US/'globalist' bioweapon.
- Italy/Europe/NY COVID (March) was the bioweapon. High death rate, high rate of complications in young people. 10x more lethal than Chinese one.
- Present-day COVID (August) is the bioweapon settling down and naturally evolving to a lower mortality rate, as most successful viruses do.

I'm not saying this is true, just a possibility. The 4chan theory by the January anonymous poster could also be true: South American deaths are increasing rapidly, as he predicted would happen due to mutation in diverse bat populations.

Though one wonders if that's natural mutation or simply a bioweapon itself.

Additionally, the lower present death rate could be due to the humid weather and greater adoption of mask-wearing, as others have said. South America has winter right now.

 

[Lejeboca]

Absolutely incorrect. While the media is indeed responsible for the hysteria, the advertising industry (like all other industries) is completely devastated from this. This was a nuclear option for media, and they destroyed themselves along with everything, at least in the short and medium term.

Ad rates are 10-20% of what they were compared to February of this year. Businesses aren't buying airtime. Why would they, if they were closed? If you watch any TV with ads, it's littered with free PSAs and lots of Direct Response ads, which usually command lower rates. That's the thing with Supply and Demand, you need both in order for any business to take place. I know lots of people working in media and advertising, and every company has taken a hit, even ones that seem to be weathering the storm better than others. Many worker had to either take a pay cut, or got laid off or furloughed.

So even if CNN, MSNBC, Fox did okay, maybe only losing 30% of ad revenue (in an election year, when they generally make a lot more money), they are all owned by entertainment conglomerates that took massive hits. TNT and TBS, for example, are also owned by Ted Turner, and they lost all ad revenue that goes along with the NCAA tournament, and have taken hits on their NBA, and likely MLB revenue as well.

What I don't quite understand is how these powerful conglomerates (add to the same basket airlines), which are controlled by the same gang that engineered this mess (a.k.a "order" to them), allowed to throw themselves under the bus? Is it like a collateral damage? A farce? Were they promised greener pastures while this "order" is (being) established? Except knowing that current bailouts flow directly into their coffers, which is kind of peanuts compared with what they are losing in profits, I don't see any other mentioning of their "happier days to come". In other words, what are their stakes in the game?

 

[tankasnowgod]

The actual title of the news article. I will leave this here without much comment, but needless to say you won't see this discussed on social media or MSM.
Why do Covid fatalities remain low when infection numbers are rising?

@Drareg @Giraffe @tankasnowgod @boris

I think it's dishonest for the article to talk about "rising infection numbers" and not mention the astronomical increase in testing.

No one was getting tested for COVID in January.

In one week in July, more COVID tests were performed in the US than the total number of flu tests for 2017, 2018, and 2019 combined.

 

[boris]

- Italy/Europe/NY COVID (March) was the bioweapon. High death rate, high rate of complications in young people. 10x more lethal than Chinese one.

In March it was still the worldwide narrative that whoever gets mechanically ventilated lives and who doesn't dies, which contributed to the initial spike in deaths. Especially in Italy.
‘The Other Option Is Death’: New York Starts Sharing of Ventilators
Ventilator shortage during coronavirus crisis forcing doctors to decide who lives or dies
There Aren’t Enough Ventilators to Cope With the Coronavirus

When more and more doctors spoke out about the current way the ventilation is being practiced being actually harmful, they silently moved away from that. No big announcement on the news, nothing... after shouting so loudly for the need for ventilators.

Special Report: As virus advances, doctors rethink rush to ventilate
U.S. President Donald Trump’s administration is spending $2.9 billion for nearly 190,000 ventilators. The U.S. government has contracted with automakers such as General Motors Co and Ford Motor Co as well as medical device manufacturers, and full delivery is expected by the end of the year. Trump declared this week that the U.S. was now “the king of ventilators.”
...

"The Italians were swiftly followed by Cameron Kyle-Sidell, a New York physician who put out a talk on YouTube saying that by preparing to put patients on ventilators, hospitals in America were treating “the wrong disease.” Ventilation, he feared, would lead to “a tremendous amount of harm to a great number of people in a very short time.” This remains his view, he told Reuters this week.

When Spain’s outbreak erupted in mid-March, many patients went straight onto ventilators because lung X-rays and other test results “scared us,” said Delia Torres, a physician at the Hospital General Universitario de Alicante. They now focus more on breathing and a patient’s overall condition than just X-rays and tests. And they intubate less. “If the patient can get better without it, then there’s no need,” she said.

In Germany, lung specialist Voshaar was also concerned. A mechanical ventilator itself can damage the lungs, he says. This means patients stay in intensive care longer, blocking specialist beds and creating a vicious circle in which ever more ventilators are needed.

Of the 36 acute COVID-19 patients on his ward in mid-April, Voshaar said, one had been intubated - a man with a serious neuro-muscular disorder - and he was the only patient to die. Another 31 had recovered." [compare that to the doctors twitter post featured in the NYT saying everybody needs to be ventilated]

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Ray Peat: "Hospital ventilators are killing tens of thousands.
Luciano Gattinoni, in Germany, says that one nearby hospital has a 0% mortality rate from the virus, and another has a 60% rate, one avoiding the “standard ventilation protocol." "

- Present-day COVID (August) is the bioweapon settling down and naturally evolving to a lower mortality rate, as most successful viruses do.

After the inital small spike from march to april there seems to be absolutely no correlation between cases and deaths. Judging by the graph it seems that the deaths are just always there and completely detached from the infections.
Coronavirus Pandemic (COVID-19) – the data

But "cases" do correlate with testing. Testing is being consistently ramped up to this day. The more you test the more you find.

Whatever might actually be happening it's clear that the testing is being instrumentalized. Increased testing is creating a false image and being sold to us as increased spread and "cases". Just the cases without a reference point (how much is being tested) holds no information. A more informative metric would be the positivity rate, it seems that it's not being reported on purpose.

 

[Regina]

I still don't think the CDC will unhitch their wagon from the flu. I'm already seeing stories about how the flu shot will be more important than ever this winter, so that's going to be pushed hard since the USA likely won't have a SARS-CoV-2 vaccine until early 2021.

Yeah, I'm seeing a huge push for flu vaccines. Mandatory in schools and several colleges.

 

[Regina]

The CDC lists Flu and Pneumonia deaths together, and it's one of their tricks to inflate the number of flu deaths. That's why you see the estimate of 35,000-60,000 every year.

The true number of people who die of the flu is much lower than reported. The numbers kicked around are as low as 20 (yes, only 20 for all of the US), to around 1500.

I'm convinced you could get people to be terrified of dandruff, if they started listing "dandruff" on death certificates of people who have it. Just have the government pay hospitals an extra $10,000 for every "Dandruff death," and then start blazing the "CNN DANDRUFF DEATH COUNT" every day.

That's the secret..... no one really dies from the flu, and the same tricks apply to COVID 19. No one really dies from that, either. The CDC has been amassing numbers without any claim of causality. It's why they can list a motorcycle crash victim as a COVID death, and not even consider it lying. They aren't lying, according to the rules they set up.

With false positives on the tests being as high as 80%, and obvious underlying conditions being anywhere from 88-99% in COVID deaths, the 160,000+ figures are obviously suspect. Doing some quick division with those numbers, you could see the "actual" COVID 19 deaths being closer to 17,000 to 1,500 to well under 100 in the US. I still think the total number of people who have died FROM Covid 19 remains at 0.

Peter Doshi's articles on how the CDC artificially inflates flu deaths-

Are U.S. Flu Death Figures More PR Than Science?.

Influenza: marketing vaccine by marketing disease

 

[Regina]

The actual title of the news article. I will leave this here without much comment, but needless to say you won't see this discussed on social media or MSM.
Why do Covid fatalities remain low when infection numbers are rising?

@Drareg @Giraffe @tankasnowgod @boris

I like the "why would a virus want to kill its host?" insight.

But, Guardian has to be so sanctimonious: "as the White House stokes division along racial lines." 'We're the independent truth seekers, above the frey pure journalism.'
Everything is so riddled with false flags and deep corruption.

Isn't it obviously bioweapon(s) dispersed strategically? And that the virus part of it morphing/mutation is just it learning to get along with its host. Makes a lot of noise and then becomes part of the quorum.

The powers that shouldn't be can release what ever they want, where ever they want.

So, in a weaponized virus release, do you think we catch "it" from each other? Or is the strategic release response local to direct contact and the rest is mind-control, fear mongering and wide-net deaths attributed to the "novel enemy?"

But think the crux of the matter is the virus does not want to kill its host. Thus, the only thing(s) to treat are the symptoms. In other words, viruses always move in the direction of less lethal.

 

[lvysaur]

In March it was still the worldwide narrative that whoever gets mechanically ventilated lives and who doesn't dies, which contributed to the initial spike in deaths. Especially in Italy.

I agree with that. Back in March they were also saying that masks were useless, which further increased the spread.

But it is a fact that the March virus is 10x more persistent than the Chinese one from December. This has made it to multiple science news sources, but MSM has been silent about it.

Mutated COVID-19 Viral Strain in U.S. and Europe 10 Times More Contagious than Original Strain | BioSpace

It's not only 10x more contagious, but also 10x deadlier. Because the mechanism is via the spike protein attachment to ACE2, the European version is much better at attaching successfully. This means that both contagion AND disease will be worse--the news article is being politically correct and claiming that there's "no evidence the disease is more severe", even though every virus particle is much more adept at attacking ACE2--this is illogical.

The European strain kills 10x more people. You see this in the Asia vs. West numbers back in March. You also see it in the NY vs. Cali numbers. You can't chalk this up solely to ventilators, because they were ventilating people in California too--but Cali had the Chinese version and came out 10x fewer deaths/capita.

If you're claiming that the current death rate is lower due to wiser ventilator usage, I will agree with that

 

[Regina]

I like the "why would a virus want to kill its host?" insight.

But, Guardian has to be so sanctimonious: "as the White House stokes division along racial lines." 'We're the independent truth seekers, above the frey pure journalism.'
Everything is so riddled with false flags and deep corruption.

Isn't it obviously bioweapon(s) dispersed strategically? And that the virus part of it morphing/mutation is just it learning to get along with its host. Makes a lot of noise and then becomes part of the quorum.

The powers that shouldn't be can release what ever they want, where ever they want.

So, in a weaponized virus release, do you think we catch "it" from each other? Or is the strategic release response local to direct contact and the rest is mind-control, fear mongering and wide-net deaths attributed to the "novel enemy?"

But think the crux of the matter is the virus does not want to kill its host. Thus, the only thing(s) to treat are the symptoms. In other words, viruses always move in the direction of less lethal.

and here's James on the same concept:
Resistance is Fertile! | Minds

It makes me think of Bezos. Or the classic narcissistic relationship dynamic: I hate you; I need you.

 

[boris]

The actual title of the news article. I will leave this here without much comment, but needless to say you won't see this discussed on social media or MSM.
Why do Covid fatalities remain low when infection numbers are rising?

@Drareg @Giraffe @tankasnowgod @boris

At this point I think the mainstream will never present the truth on this matter. If controversial questions do reach the masses, they will create the according „science“ to explain things as it suits them.

 

[tankasnowgod]

- Original COVID (December) was a Chinese vaccine. Attempt to protect population from US/'globalist' bioweapon.
- Italy/Europe/NY COVID (March) was the bioweapon. High death rate, high rate of complications in young people. 10x more lethal than Chinese one.
- Present-day COVID (August) is the bioweapon settling down and naturally evolving to a lower mortality rate, as most successful viruses do.

The problem with any "bioweapon" theory is just the enormous amount of blind faith you have to put into the idea. The faith is more demanding than any religion, and only surpassed by people's blind faith in genetics.

There are all sorts of animal and germ/virus research labs all over the developed world, many of which do have contracts with military organizations. Usually in or near a university, and hospital. And conditions in the vast majority of labs are faaaar from pristine. Many of those labs will report official outbreaks once every few months to every few years. Those are just the ones reported. I've sure there are others that are covered up. And probably several more that weren't even noticed by anyone.

When governments have done experiments on large populations, they might blow off several tons of aeresolized virus/bacteria/some other germ over a city like San Francisco. And then see what happens. Generally, not much, although sometimes there is a rise in infections with the agent that covered the city.

The idea that a few grams or milligrams of an escaped germ from one of these labs could wipe out a significant portion of the population is a myth. If there were any truth to it, we would have eradicated the world's population hundreds, if not thousands of times already in the last 50 years. Yet, here we are.

If you can point to the ships or other vessels carrying the hundreds of tons of COVID 19 in Italy and New York and other parts of Europe in February and March, I would be more inclined to believe this idea.