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Why Are PUFA's Delicious?

Discussion in 'Polyunsaturated Fats, Seed Oils' started by narouz, Aug 24, 2012.

  1. Mittir

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    @sueq
    RP has mentioned that it takes about 12 hours of yeast fermentation
    for grains. The study i posted used 24 hours fermentation
    of sourdough with lactobacilli and compared that with 2 hour
    fermentation with baker's yeast. I am wondering if there is enough
    lactic acid in sourdough bread to cause any problem.
    It seems 24 hours fermentation will have very little gluten left.
    But, they did not test for 12 hours. I have seen some people recommending
    24 to 48 hours of soaking. RP also mentioned that in making hominy they often left the
    boiled corn in alkaline lime water for a day . This lime process increases conversion of
    tryptophan to niacin. South Indian rice+lentil crepes (Dosa)
    usually ferment for 1-2 days. I am more inclined to ferment for at least 24 hours.
    I think i am going to try boiling rice in lime water ( calcium hydroxide water)
    to see how it turns out.
     
  2. Mittir

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    Here is a nutritional profile of a 14 inch pepperoni pizza.
    http://nutritiondata.self.com/facts/fas ... ric/9307/2

    if you check this profile you will be surprised how nutritious
    this pizza is. Whole pie has 2600 calories, 110 grams protein
    and a lot of required vitamins and minerals. Only problem i see
    is high iron content, probably from added iron in enriched flour.
    RP has mentioned that the ratio of saturated fat to PUFA
    matters more than total amount of PUFA ingested.
    He also mentioned a ratio of 2:1 ( Sat: PUFA) in regards to
    use of thyroid until fatty acid ratio reaches 2:1.
    Here we have 2.5:1 ratio. This is now peatian.

    I mentioned about high calcium cheese to keep the
    balance of calcium to phosphorus within a healthy ratio.
    Here we have a ratio of 1:1.5 (Cal: Phos). This also passes
    peatian ratio. RP mentioned 2:1 to 1:2 ratio.

    I think people find RP's recommendation restrictive when
    they do not know the underlying principles for his recommendation.
    If someone chooses to drink a cup of PUFA just because they love it so much
    they can make it peatian by drinking 2 cups of saturated fat or following
    a calorie deficit diet that will burn all the ingested PUFA without storing it.

    I think one can get away with eating home made pizza 3 times a day
    if he/she does not have glycogen storage problem or glucose metabolism issue.
    A higher fructose to glucose is helpful in those conditions.
     
  3. Such_Saturation

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    I'm sorry, I cannot share this. He talks about the 2:1 only for adipose tissue content (and only as a treshold to stop integrative care), which derives from bioaccumulation from a diet of much less than that ratio. Also the man keeps his dietary PUFA at two percent and would want even less. If Ray Peat doesn't "Peat" I don't know who does. Also burning all that PUFA is likely worse than continually storing it (but the latter is impossible) and would imply: non-"Peaty" energy source ratios; vitamin E depletion; extreme peroxidation; prostaglandin issues; lipofuscin.
     
  4. Mittir

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    I just want to clarify that the post about drinking cup of PUFA is written in jest.
    It is written for narouz, who wants to eat PUFA rich pepperoni pizza.
    Just let the man have his pepperoni pizza.
     
  5. OP
    narouz

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    Here's the thing.
    So long as folks insist upon Defining a Peat diet
    as, essentially, Undefined...
    ...well, of course!
    It will be an awesomely unrestrictive diet!

    When I said above..

    ...what is indicated I think
    is that we do share here a vague knowledge of
    what a Peat diet should best be.

    When lines start getting drawn,
    as I believe they will be by most,
    that shows that there are some roughly shared,
    Peat food generalities.
    And so we also have some vague sense of
    "best Peat diet," "very good Peat diet," "crappy Peat diet," etc...

    For example
    (and yes, I do know you were partly jesting :lol: but still)
    if Peatians here were to seriously contemplate your alternative...

    ...I'm guessing most will think
    "er...yeah...I think that falls under "crappy Peat diet"

    And so, if one's intention is to eat a "good" or "excellent" Peat diet,
    then that option would be restricted.
    Well, it would for me, anyway,
    beyond just a once-in-a-blue-moon type thing.

    In the early days
    there was a poster here, Ann.
    I thinks she's Amrita or something now.
    Very nice.

    But Ann objected to the use of the word "diet."
    She said many of her clients were overweight
    and would cringe at the mention of the word.

    We're talking about different definitions of the word, of course.
    But the primary definition of the noun "diet" is
    "the kinds of food that a person, animal, or community habitually eats."

    That's it.
    It's very simple.
    I sense there may be something going on here
    involving those different definitions.
    There is a lot of sensitivity attached to words like "diet" and "restriction."
     
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    narouz

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    We have steered a little off course,
    delicious detour,
    one of my pet questions:
    "What is a Peat Diet?"

    And it IS related,
    so please continue if you like. :P

    But to tack back to the topic at hand,
    "Why Are PUFAs Delicious?"
    see my post a bit up the thread:

    Most of us accept that temptation is a hard-to-avoid part of romantic life.
    We sometimes want, desire the partners who are dangerous or damaging or wrong.
    Aren't those our instincts and our senses?

    Who believes that our romantic instincts are relentlessly blissful and unconflicted?

    Why should we set ourselves to propose that a Peat diet is?
     
  7. j.

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    Why spend so much time thinking about worthless questions?
     
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    narouz

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  9. Such_Saturation

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    My man I think PUFA is your smallest concern when dealing with industrial tube-meat. :mrgreen:

    [BBvideo 560,340:gb2itv34]http://youtu.be/wJMkGfUmFK8[/BBvideo]
     
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    You didn't list a single thing that is a PUFA, you listed things that are made with them.
     
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    narouz

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    Why do foods containing a lot of PUFA taste delicious?
     
  12. Such_Saturation

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    Because the PUFA taste is masked by other things?
     
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    narouz

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    If this is the case,
    what does it tell us about the capacity of our instincts
    to guide us to healthy food?
     
  15. Such_Saturation

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    Perhaps it is adapted to our stress level - some nuts or bear fat would surely be awesome during an ice age, very dense and with some vitamin E and omega-3 you might even survive enough to procreate. And with declining stress levels you become better and better at listening to your body, which is basically just as important as your taste buds.

    And when I see for example a Tibetan monk I imagine that when your brain and perception are so strong you might even settle for a sub-optimal diet because your body itself can compensate and even benefit from small shortcomings.
     
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    narouz

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    Becoming better and better at listening to your body.
    At this stage, aren't we beyond what we normally conceive of as "instinct"?


    This is intriguing,
    but I don't really have a good notion
    of how to evaluate Tibetan monks' health from a Peat perspective.
     
  17. Such_Saturation

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    Well, I'm sure monks don't get close to a hundred grams of protein, and some sit in snow storms wearing just some robes. Perhaps this is all part of teaching the self how to become more and more self-generative.

    The instinct to me is all the body, and also the "will". If you aknowledge this then you are humble and powerful by design. Look at these articles that Suikerbuik had sent me:

    http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/20 ... 104848.htm
    http://mobile.nytimes.com/2014/05/25/ma ... ?referrer=
     
  18. j.

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    Healthy food is not the only concern. Sometimes you're in a hurry and just want to eat something that tastes good enough.
     
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    narouz

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    Okay, I love monks too.
    I'm willing to be persuaded of supernatural powers even...


    I will check those out.
    Thanks!

    How would you define "instinct," roughly?
    You use the term "will."
     
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    narouz

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    I agree.
    Don't change the subject.
    :)
     
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