Who Benefits From Peak Corona Virus Panic?

postman

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Peat made the point again in the Roddy/Dinkov interview, right at about the 48:00 mark-



He makes the same point about the official flu death numbers and how we are supposed to be panicked over a handful of cases (I think Peat says million, but means thousand).

Keep in mind, Peat is 84, which would put him in the "highest death rate" category.

Also, at 50:00, Peat mentions that the WHO is "sharing in the corruption" and that you can't trust the big agencies, as they are sharing in the profits of the vaccines.

Snore. If you don't trust the WHO then why do you trust them when they say corona is a nothingburger? All they've been saying is don't worry, it's just like the flu, just wash your hands, avoid close contact, and that taking any serious precautions is racist. They're basically just a mouthpiece for the Chinese Communist Party
 

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Snore. If you don't trust the WHO then why do you trust them when they say corona is a nothingburger? All they've been saying is don't worry, it's just like the flu, just wash your hands, avoid close contact, and that taking any serious precautions is racist. They're basically just a mouthpiece for the Chinese Communist Party

The WHO is an arm of the UN, and I don't trust them on anything. They are ginning up panic on this like every other agency.

I notice you didn't comment at all about what Peat said in regards to this, which is why I posted it in the clip in the first place. I'm guessing you disagree with Peat on this subject then.
 

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The WHO is an arm of the UN, and I don't trust them on anything. They are ginning up panic on this like every other agency.

I notice you didn't comment at all about what Peat said in regards to this, which is why I posted it in the clip in the first place. I'm guessing you disagree with Peat on this subject then.
Nonsense, they're doing the opposite of what you're claiming.

Ray didn't really even say anything about this new virus. All he seemed to do was infer that the government overhypes flu viruses to sell vaccines? Ray seems to be uninformed about this new virus, or maybe he doesn't want to criticize the self-described communists in China and how they've handled it. He talks about how the WHO is corrupted by profit motives, while at the same time completely ignoring the fact that they are just regurgitating CPC propaganda and praising China.
 

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Nonsense, they're doing the opposite of what you're claiming.

Apparently, you didn't take two minutes to check out the WHO's official twitter feed- World Health Organization (WHO) (@WHO) | Twitter

Ray didn't really even say anything about this new virus. All he seemed to do was infer that the government overhypes flu viruses to sell vaccines? Ray seems to be uninformed about this new virus, or maybe he doesn't want to criticize the self-described communists in China and how they've handled it. He talks about how the WHO is corrupted by profit motives, while at the same time completely ignoring the fact that they are just regurgitating CPC propaganda and praising China.

Maybe this is more direct for you, starting at 24:30



Peat explicitly states it's a little worse than the flu, but nothing too worrysome and is more concerned with the panic spread by the WHO and CDC, and eventual pushing of vaccines.
 

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Ray seems to be uninformed about this new virus, or maybe he doesn't want to criticize the self-described communists in China and how they've handled it.

And this one, I am curious...... what are your sources of information on COVID-19? You seem to think they are superior to anything Peat has read, or what others on this forum have shared. If it's solid info, maybe it would change my mind.
 

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Snore. If you don't trust the WHO then why do you trust them when they say corona is a nothingburger? All they've been saying is don't worry, it's just like the flu, just wash your hands, avoid close contact, and that taking any serious precautions is racist. They're basically just a mouthpiece for the Chinese Communist Party
I feel that WHO is exaggerating things and pushing vaccines. They are suggesting that we are all scared, and that countries must "act aggressively to find, isolate and treat cases, and to trace every contact" to slow the spread, in order to "give health systems and all of society much needed time to prepare, and researchers more time to identify effective treatments and develop vaccines."

WHO Director-General's opening remarks at the media briefing on COVID-19 - 5 March 2020
WHO statement on cases of COVID-19 surpassing 100 000
 

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Prep now. As one should always be prepaired.

Inform yourself. Self sufficiency in knowing how to treat yourself is priceless.

Spread out. We aren't over populated, we are over concentrated.

Have tools. Attain some self sufficiency tools, they'll always be handy.

Have a plan. Knowing what you'll do will remove enxiety.

Be independent. Try to at least know how to meet your most basic requirements.

Unplug. Have books and info that don't rely on electricity.

Closure. Tie up simple loose ends that bother you.

Cope. The world is unpredictable, it always will be.

Distance issues. Have a subpar environemt? Try to minimize its effect in times of doubt.

Have fun. Find something that makes you happy and keep doing it.

No matter what's actually happening, how or when, I think everyone should maintain this status. With this outlook/ status we can feel more empowered and less "jumpy." Maybe even more enclined to help one another.
 

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That's the world bank not the world health organization. The corona virus filled all the requirements for a pandemic a long time ago but instead of declaring it a pandemic the WHO just said that the pandemic designation was outdated and they won't use it anymore. That corrupt **** Tedros, the WHO chief, has been downplaying the virus all along and basically said that taking any precautions is racist. And that's why the virus is now becoming an epidemic in the west too, because our leaders are either also corrupt as hell or braindead NPCs who just do what the WHO tells them.
Learn to read (and think). It can only be declared a pandemic on the 24:th.

World bank is the issuer. They want it to be declared pandemic so they don't need to pay interest. The WHO is the beneficiary. They want it to spread as much as possible before July 15 when the bond is due, so they can declare it a pandemic. They also want to appear rational, by not talking about pandemic status prematurely, as it is only a flu. But as soon as they can they will. Currently they are spreading conspiracy theories about it so that no-one questions this coming designation even if it is not as deadly as previous swine flus, SARS or the seasonal flu.

And you, my friend, swallowed it hook, line and sinker.
 
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Dr Sircus is writing about this. The media flared it into a big deal and the elites run that shitshow. it's possibly a bioweapon that got unleashed. it's amped by 5G. it has no effect on children but kills the already sick elders mostly. IV high dose vitamin C is the cure. creates a catechin storm so stay away from elderberry syrups. Peat in the recent interview with Danny and Giorgi says every influenza is a corona virus and didn't seem concerned. more money for big pharma vaccines.
 

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Well, either you are flat out wrong, or Tedros decided to be racist now.

Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus on Twitter
A tame meaningless general post that doesn't really mean anything. He would have been hitting the panic drums 2 months ago if they were really trying to stir up fear for the sake of causing fear. They kept this under the lid for as long as possible until now when it's completely undeniable for anyone who rationally looks at all available data. Nobody will be allowed to know until everyone knows, that was their policy. As the virus was spreading this corrupt communist Tedros kept on saying how there was no risk of the virus spreading internationally, that stopping flights or closing borders is absolutely useless for containing an infection, and he kept on regurgitating CPC propaganda about how amazing their response had been to the virus. When in reality the CPC let the virus spread freely for at least 2 months and arrested anyone who talked about it. With all the horrific content coming out of China and for them to cover it all up, how can anyone possibly say that the establishment is overhyping this? If you posted real footage directly from Wuhan on social media you ran the risk of getting censored and banned, and instead the big tech spammed lies from WHO and other government agencies right in your face about how there was no cause for concern and various lies about how wearing masks is useless (but don't buy them, our doctors need them!) or there was no risk of getting ill if you washed your hands.

Apparently, you didn't take two minutes to check out the WHO's official twitter feed- World Health Organization (WHO) (@WHO) | Twitter



Maybe this is more direct for you, starting at 24:30



Peat explicitly states it's a little worse than the flu, but nothing too worrysome and is more concerned with the panic spread by the WHO and CDC, and eventual pushing of vaccines.

Well these statements make it clear that he's just plain misinformed and uninformed. It's true that we should be very vigilant against what big pharma says, and that we should be very wary of vaccines. But that doesn't mean that you can predict all future events based on a few past events. He says it's maybe twice as infectious as the flu, that's incorrect. The R0 of SARS-CoV-2 is massively understated by the UN and by official CPC channeles and by western MSM and by western government agencies.

R0 3.3-5.47 https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.01.23.916395v1
R0 4.08 https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.01.27.20018952v1.full.pdf
R0 4.7-6.6 https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.02.07.20021154v1
R0 7.05 https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.02.12.20022434v1.full.pdf

It's probably at least 4 times as infectious as the flu, the flu has an R0 of 1.3. And these numbers are based on data from the lying corrupt CPC, which are definitely manipulated and understated. So in reality the R0 is likely even higher.

And yet the UN keeps on reporting a R0 of 2? If they were trying to spread panic they would be talking about these numbers rather than the meek R0 of 2. This virus is extremely virulent, it's so infectous that hospital staff in full protective gear are getting infected in the thousands https://www.businessinsider.com/healthcare-workers-getting-coronavirus-500-infected-2020-2?r=US&IR=T

The extreme virality combined with the fact that 10% of all who fall ill require ICU care means that the health care systems will be overwhelmed very quickly, which has already happened in every country where there has been a major outbreak. You can point at MD treatment and how horrible it is or whatever, but if your lungs are failing you would rather get hooked up on a mechanical breathing machine than get no treatment at all, which is the option for most people out there who take to responsibility for their own healthcare. So when the hospitals become full, those who require ICU care are likely to die.

Already in Italy they are starting with technocratic medicial nonsense ethics about who they're going to treat and who they're going to refuse. Because they're already out of hospital beds and machines. This is on additional reason why their death rate is already at 5%. A mortality rate of 5% is 50 times worse than the usual flu epidemic.
http://archive.is/0EHtj

According to the CPC 144 people died in 2018 from the flu. 144 in a country of 1300 million people. They have all kinds of ways to cover up death statistics. For example if you get corona and then get pneumonia, they might write down pneumonia as the cause of death with no mention of covid. There are a ton of different ways they messed with their statistics, possibly even all of it is made up.

In February the CPC told local governments that they would be held personally responsible if they reported any new cases.
https://www.dailystar.co.uk/news/world-news/china-deploys-40-incinerators-wuhan-21529067
"If a single new case is found (after Wednesday), the district leaders will be held responsible."
Why isn't that widely reported in the media? That's terrifying, but almost nobody has heard of it other than people who speak Chinese.

This is how communist statistics work, it shouldn't be a surprise.

19-Feb: China regularly changes reporting to hide numbers
https://archive.is/ri1TY
19-Feb: China only testing people with Hubei travel history
https://archive.is/3hHC4#selection-659.263-659.407
19-Feb: China province covers up "viral pneumonia" explosion
https://archive.is/Gf9Or
15-Feb: Crematorium: China "suspected" deaths outnumber "confirmed" 6 to 1
https://archive.is/zMFtT


12-Feb: CDC: Test kits in the U.S and 30 countries are flawed
https://archive.is/cLmse
8-Feb: Japan confirms China doesn't count suspected in death toll
https://archive.is/H1Bm1
2-Feb: China cremates observed and suspected patients immediately after death
https://archive.is/kdBtS#selection-571.0-571.152
30-Jan: Crematorium: China burning bodies without testing or registration
https://archive.is/Thlaq#selection-3847.1-3847.225
22-Jan: According to CCP data, the flu only kills 144 people a year in China
https://archive.is/K40ru#selection-1321.0-1296.18

If the WHO and the MSM wanted to cause panic they would report on the reports from China that the virus can live on surfaces for 9 days, or even up to 28 days in perfect conditions
https://doi.org/10.1016/j.jhin.2020.01.022
https://doi.org/10.1016/j.jhin.2020.01.022

Or that it has already mutated into 3 strains, and that having one doesn't make you immune to the others, maybe not even the one you just had. there are tons of reports of "refinfections" from many different countries now. I don't know if those are true reinfections but it's definitely notable and good fear fuel but it's not broadcasted widely neither by the WHO or the MSM, because your hypothesis is wrong.

-Mar: "Recovered" drops dead, surge of reinfections
https://archive.is/MF0fv
28-Feb: Israeli "recovered" case tests positive again
https://archive.is/TV8DS
28-Feb: South Korea "recovered" case reinfected
https://archive.is/Gv1iu
27-Feb: All cases in study test positive 2 weeks after "recovery"
https://doi.org/10.1001/jama.2020.2783
27-Feb: Xuzhou first case reinfected weeks after "recovery"
https://archive.is/CuOtr
27-Feb: "Recovered" in Japan sick again: reinfected or dormant
https://archive.is/HjykE
26-Feb: 14% of "recovered" in Guangdong test positive again
https://archive.is/V6IgT
21-Feb: Patient reinfects himself after "recovery"
https://archive.is/8Ppkx
19-Feb: "There is a likelihood of relapse", expert says
https://archive.is/ABjjf
14-Feb: Reinfection possible and even deadlier
https://archive.is/Iw58p
31-Jan: Patients can get reinfected, no immunity after "recovery"
https://archive.is/W9vNf

Antibody response to old SARS-CoV is shortlived so maybe it's the same for the new one.
https://doi.org/10.1007/s12026-014-8534-z

There is much more to say but this post is already long enough.

Learn to read (and think). It can only be declared a pandemic on the 24:th.

World bank is the issuer. They want it to be declared pandemic so they don't need to pay interest. The WHO is the beneficiary. They want it to spread as much as possible before July 15 when the bond is due, so they can declare it a pandemic. They also want to appear rational, by not talking about pandemic status prematurely, as it is only a flu. But as soon as they can they will. Currently they are spreading conspiracy theories about it so that no-one questions this coming designation even if it is not as deadly as previous swine flus, SARS or the seasonal flu.

And you, my friend, swallowed it hook, line and sinker.
You have to be absolutely delusional to claim that it's less deadly than the flu. Not calling it a pandemic at this point only seems rational to those who are utterly irrational. Furthermore the bond issue you are talking about is 180 degrees inverse of what you're talking about, they are not declaring it a pandemic because then they would have to pay out. They could declare it a pandemic right now but they wont because then the investors would lose their money. You tell me how to learn how to read and how to think yet you cant even comprehend how this bond scheme works. If a pandemic is declared before July the 15th, the investors lose their money, that money will go to some kind of pandemic fund for 3rd world countries. If a pandemic is not declared before now and July the 15th, the investors get all their money back. So the montary incentive is to not declare SARS-CoV-2 a pandemic no matter what happens. You are the one who got conned, you swallowed the lies of the CPC, the WHO, and your national government, without second thought.

https://www.mintpressnews.com/wall-...g-coronavirus-outbreak-pandemic-bonds/265264/
https://www.worldbank.org/en/news/p...million-pandemic-emergency-financing-facility

Dr Sircus is writing about this. The media flared it into a big deal and the elites run that shitshow. it's possibly a bioweapon that got unleashed. it's amped by 5G. it has no effect on children but kills the already sick elders mostly. IV high dose vitamin C is the cure. creates a catechin storm so stay away from elderberry syrups. Peat in the recent interview with Danny and Giorgi says every influenza is a corona virus and didn't seem concerned. more money for big pharma vaccines.
This "does not affect children" is probably the most disgusting lie they've pulled yet, and multiple national governments have actually fallen for it and refuse to take precauations in schools. Or maybe the governments are willing participants.

https://archive.nothingburger.today/Videos/Infected_or_Dead/China - 1582270480154.webm

https://archive.nothingburger.today...hildren corona virus- 1231483712036012033.mp4
 

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A tame meaningless general post that doesn't really mean anything. He would have been hitting the panic drums 2 months ago if they were really trying to stir up fear for the sake of causing fear. They kept this under the lid for as long as possible until now when it's completely undeniable for anyone who rationally looks at all available data. Nobody will be allowed to know until everyone knows, that was their policy. As the virus was spreading this corrupt communist Tedros kept on saying how there was no risk of the virus spreading internationally, that stopping flights or closing borders is absolutely useless for containing an infection, and he kept on regurgitating CPC propaganda about how amazing their response had been to the virus. When in reality the CPC let the virus spread freely for at least 2 months and arrested anyone who talked about it. With all the horrific content coming out of China and for them to cover it all up, how can anyone possibly say that the establishment is overhyping this? If you posted real footage directly from Wuhan on social media you ran the risk of getting censored and banned, and instead the big tech spammed lies from WHO and other government agencies right in your face about how there was no cause for concern and various lies about how wearing masks is useless (but don't buy them, our doctors need them!) or there was no risk of getting ill if you washed your hands.


Well these statements make it clear that he's just plain misinformed and uninformed. It's true that we should be very vigilant against what big pharma says, and that we should be very wary of vaccines. But that doesn't mean that you can predict all future events based on a few past events. He says it's maybe twice as infectious as the flu, that's incorrect. The R0 of SARS-CoV-2 is massively understated by the UN and by official CPC channeles and by western MSM and by western government agencies.

R0 3.3-5.47 https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.01.23.916395v1
R0 4.08 https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.01.27.20018952v1.full.pdf
R0 4.7-6.6 https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.02.07.20021154v1
R0 7.05 https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.02.12.20022434v1.full.pdf

It's probably at least 4 times as infectious as the flu, the flu has an R0 of 1.3. And these numbers are based on data from the lying corrupt CPC, which are definitely manipulated and understated. So in reality the R0 is likely even higher.

And yet the UN keeps on reporting a R0 of 2? If they were trying to spread panic they would be talking about these numbers rather than the meek R0 of 2. This virus is extremely virulent, it's so infectous that hospital staff in full protective gear are getting infected in the thousands https://www.businessinsider.com/healthcare-workers-getting-coronavirus-500-infected-2020-2?r=US&IR=T

The extreme virality combined with the fact that 10% of all who fall ill require ICU care means that the health care systems will be overwhelmed very quickly, which has already happened in every country where there has been a major outbreak. You can point at MD treatment and how horrible it is or whatever, but if your lungs are failing you would rather get hooked up on a mechanical breathing machine than get no treatment at all, which is the option for most people out there who take to responsibility for their own healthcare. So when the hospitals become full, those who require ICU care are likely to die.

Already in Italy they are starting with technocratic medicial nonsense ethics about who they're going to treat and who they're going to refuse. Because they're already out of hospital beds and machines. This is on additional reason why their death rate is already at 5%. A mortality rate of 5% is 50 times worse than the usual flu epidemic.
http://archive.is/0EHtj

According to the CPC 144 people died in 2018 from the flu. 144 in a country of 1300 million people. They have all kinds of ways to cover up death statistics. For example if you get corona and then get pneumonia, they might write down pneumonia as the cause of death with no mention of covid. There are a ton of different ways they messed with their statistics, possibly even all of it is made up.

In February the CPC told local governments that they would be held personally responsible if they reported any new cases.
https://www.dailystar.co.uk/news/world-news/china-deploys-40-incinerators-wuhan-21529067
"If a single new case is found (after Wednesday), the district leaders will be held responsible."
Why isn't that widely reported in the media? That's terrifying, but almost nobody has heard of it other than people who speak Chinese.

This is how communist statistics work, it shouldn't be a surprise.

19-Feb: China regularly changes reporting to hide numbers
https://archive.is/ri1TY
19-Feb: China only testing people with Hubei travel history
https://archive.is/3hHC4#selection-659.263-659.407
19-Feb: China province covers up "viral pneumonia" explosion
https://archive.is/Gf9Or
15-Feb: Crematorium: China "suspected" deaths outnumber "confirmed" 6 to 1
https://archive.is/zMFtT


12-Feb: CDC: Test kits in the U.S and 30 countries are flawed
https://archive.is/cLmse
8-Feb: Japan confirms China doesn't count suspected in death toll
https://archive.is/H1Bm1
2-Feb: China cremates observed and suspected patients immediately after death
https://archive.is/kdBtS#selection-571.0-571.152
30-Jan: Crematorium: China burning bodies without testing or registration
https://archive.is/Thlaq#selection-3847.1-3847.225
22-Jan: According to CCP data, the flu only kills 144 people a year in China
https://archive.is/K40ru#selection-1321.0-1296.18

If the WHO and the MSM wanted to cause panic they would report on the reports from China that the virus can live on surfaces for 9 days, or even up to 28 days in perfect conditions
https://doi.org/10.1016/j.jhin.2020.01.022
https://doi.org/10.1016/j.jhin.2020.01.022

Or that it has already mutated into 3 strains, and that having one doesn't make you immune to the others, maybe not even the one you just had. there are tons of reports of "refinfections" from many different countries now. I don't know if those are true reinfections but it's definitely notable and good fear fuel but it's not broadcasted widely neither by the WHO or the MSM, because your hypothesis is wrong.

-Mar: "Recovered" drops dead, surge of reinfections
https://archive.is/MF0fv
28-Feb: Israeli "recovered" case tests positive again
https://archive.is/TV8DS
28-Feb: South Korea "recovered" case reinfected
https://archive.is/Gv1iu
27-Feb: All cases in study test positive 2 weeks after "recovery"
https://doi.org/10.1001/jama.2020.2783
27-Feb: Xuzhou first case reinfected weeks after "recovery"
https://archive.is/CuOtr
27-Feb: "Recovered" in Japan sick again: reinfected or dormant
https://archive.is/HjykE
26-Feb: 14% of "recovered" in Guangdong test positive again
https://archive.is/V6IgT
21-Feb: Patient reinfects himself after "recovery"
https://archive.is/8Ppkx
19-Feb: "There is a likelihood of relapse", expert says
https://archive.is/ABjjf
14-Feb: Reinfection possible and even deadlier
https://archive.is/Iw58p
31-Jan: Patients can get reinfected, no immunity after "recovery"
https://archive.is/W9vNf

Antibody response to old SARS-CoV is shortlived so maybe it's the same for the new one.
https://doi.org/10.1007/s12026-014-8534-z

There is much more to say but this post is already long enough.


You have to be absolutely delusional to claim that it's less deadly than the flu. Not calling it a pandemic at this point only seems rational to those who are utterly irrational. Furthermore the bond issue you are talking about is 180 degrees inverse of what you're talking about, they are not declaring it a pandemic because then they would have to pay out. They could declare it a pandemic right now but they wont because then the investors would lose their money. You tell me how to learn how to read and how to think yet you cant even comprehend how this bond scheme works. If a pandemic is declared before July the 15th, the investors lose their money, that money will go to some kind of pandemic fund for 3rd world countries. If a pandemic is not declared before now and July the 15th, the investors get all their money back. So the montary incentive is to not declare SARS-CoV-2 a pandemic no matter what happens. You are the one who got conned, you swallowed the lies of the CPC, the WHO, and your national government, without second thought.

https://www.mintpressnews.com/wall-...g-coronavirus-outbreak-pandemic-bonds/265264/
https://www.worldbank.org/en/news/p...million-pandemic-emergency-financing-facility


This "does not affect children" is probably the most disgusting lie they've pulled yet, and multiple national governments have actually fallen for it and refuse to take precauations in schools. Or maybe the governments are willing participants.

https://archive.nothingburger.today/Videos/Infected_or_Dead/China - 1582270480154.webm

https://archive.nothingburger.today/Videos/Infected_or_Dead/Iran children corona virus- 1231483712036012033.mp4


Whatever, Bro. Live in fear. Let's come back in July to see if this took the path of decimating the world's population, or if it's an overblown dud of a pandemic, similar to Swine Flu 2009.
 

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Whatever, Bro. Live in fear. Let's come back in July to see if this took the path of decimating the world's population, or if it's an overblown dud of a pandemic, similar to Swine Flu 2009.
Lmao what a reply :lol: Anyways I don't think it's going to decimate the world's population, it could possibly turn into a spanish flu level pandemic though. Especially because of all the irresponsible people with their head in the sand who are in control of public policy and treatment.
 

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Has any pandemic lasted til July? This will be over very soon.
 

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Lmao what a reply :lol: Anyways I don't think it's going to decimate the world's population, it could possibly turn into a spanish flu level pandemic though. Especially because of all the irresponsible people with their head in the sand who are in control of public policy and treatment.

Yeah, I didn't bother to read all that much after you brushed aside the Tedros quote. However you want to spin it, his statement directly contradicted what you said. I am no fan of the WHO, but their stance is their stance. I guess you want a worldwide quarantine, with not one of 7 Billion plus people going outside of their homes, all based on 100,000 or so cases. I noticed nothing you cited had an upward revised count of the official numbers (say, 200-300,000 cases and 14,000 deaths so far, or what have you). So, you basically went into the land of speculation, and everything about R0 was based on a small sample size.

Spanish Flu level? Yeah, I highly doubt it. Did you ever even look into the Spanish Flu? If you had, you would know that severity and deaths varied drastically by country and by season. Deaths were much higher in the winter months than the summer. It was unique, as the mortality rate had a W shaped curve, with 20-40 year olds being the prime target of the disease. COVID-19 is highest among the elderly, like over 99% of diseases.

I did look into it, and did a writeup here- Was World War I The "Real" Cause Of The Spanish Flu Pandemic?

You also seem to assume that COVID-19 was discovered in the very first patient it infected. The odds of that are astronomical. It may very well have spread around the globe in humans weeks/months/years/decades before it was ever discovered. You could be panicking about a virus that you already had five years ago, and not even know it.
 

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Has any pandemic lasted til July? This will be over very soon.

From what I've read on Spanish Flu, it basically went in stages from May 1918 to June 1919, so a little over a year (maybe 18 months worldwide). Still, severity and deaths varied greatly by season. Summer was incredibly mild.
 

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A tame meaningless general post that doesn't really mean anything. He would have been hitting the panic drums 2 months ago if they were really trying to stir up fear for the sake of causing fear. They kept this under the lid for as long as possible until now when it's completely undeniable for anyone who rationally looks at all available data. Nobody will be allowed to know until everyone knows, that was their policy. As the virus was spreading this corrupt communist Tedros kept on saying how there was no risk of the virus spreading internationally, that stopping flights or closing borders is absolutely useless for containing an infection, and he kept on regurgitating CPC propaganda about how amazing their response had been to the virus. When in reality the CPC let the virus spread freely for at least 2 months and arrested anyone who talked about it. With all the horrific content coming out of China and for them to cover it all up, how can anyone possibly say that the establishment is overhyping this? If you posted real footage directly from Wuhan on social media you ran the risk of getting censored and banned, and instead the big tech spammed lies from WHO and other government agencies right in your face about how there was no cause for concern and various lies about how wearing masks is useless (but don't buy them, our doctors need them!) or there was no risk of getting ill if you washed your hands.


Well these statements make it clear that he's just plain misinformed and uninformed. It's true that we should be very vigilant against what big pharma says, and that we should be very wary of vaccines. But that doesn't mean that you can predict all future events based on a few past events. He says it's maybe twice as infectious as the flu, that's incorrect. The R0 of SARS-CoV-2 is massively understated by the UN and by official CPC channeles and by western MSM and by western government agencies.

R0 3.3-5.47 Preliminary estimation of the basic reproduction number of novel coronavirus (2019-nCoV) in China, from 2019 to 2020: A data-driven analysis in the early phase of the outbreak
R0 4.08 https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.01.27.20018952v1.full.pdf
R0 4.7-6.6 The Novel Coronavirus, 2019-nCoV, is Highly Contagious and More Infectious Than Initially Estimated
R0 7.05 https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.02.12.20022434v1.full.pdf

It's probably at least 4 times as infectious as the flu, the flu has an R0 of 1.3. And these numbers are based on data from the lying corrupt CPC, which are definitely manipulated and understated. So in reality the R0 is likely even higher.

And yet the UN keeps on reporting a R0 of 2? If they were trying to spread panic they would be talking about these numbers rather than the meek R0 of 2. This virus is extremely virulent, it's so infectous that hospital staff in full protective gear are getting infected in the thousands Nearly 3,400 Chinese healthcare workers have gotten the coronavirus, and 13 have died

The extreme virality combined with the fact that 10% of all who fall ill require ICU care means that the health care systems will be overwhelmed very quickly, which has already happened in every country where there has been a major outbreak. You can point at MD treatment and how horrible it is or whatever, but if your lungs are failing you would rather get hooked up on a mechanical breathing machine than get no treatment at all, which is the option for most people out there who take to responsibility for their own healthcare. So when the hospitals become full, those who require ICU care are likely to die.

Already in Italy they are starting with technocratic medicial nonsense ethics about who they're going to treat and who they're going to refuse. Because they're already out of hospital beds and machines. This is on additional reason why their death rate is already at 5%. A mortality rate of 5% is 50 times worse than the usual flu epidemic.
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According to the CPC 144 people died in 2018 from the flu. 144 in a country of 1300 million people. They have all kinds of ways to cover up death statistics. For example if you get corona and then get pneumonia, they might write down pneumonia as the cause of death with no mention of covid. There are a ton of different ways they messed with their statistics, possibly even all of it is made up.

In February the CPC told local governments that they would be held personally responsible if they reported any new cases.
China deploys 40 incinerators amid fears of coronavirus death toll 'cover up'
"If a single new case is found (after Wednesday), the district leaders will be held responsible."
Why isn't that widely reported in the media? That's terrifying, but almost nobody has heard of it other than people who speak Chinese.

This is how communist statistics work, it shouldn't be a surprise.

19-Feb: China regularly changes reporting to hide numbers
Eric Feigl-Ding on Twitter: "It seems CCP had stopped providing CT pn…
19-Feb: China only testing people with Hubei travel history
Are China’s Coronavirus Figures Reliable—or a Product of Xi Jinping's…
19-Feb: China province covers up "viral pneumonia" explosion
2020年1月浙江省法定传染病疫情
15-Feb: Crematorium: China "suspected" deaths outnumber "confirmed" 6 to 1
NTD News on Twitter: "“I received a total of 127 corpses yesterday, c…


12-Feb: CDC: Test kits in the U.S and 30 countries are flawed
Coronavirus Test Kits Sent to States, 30 Countries Are Flawed, C.D.C.…
8-Feb: Japan confirms China doesn't count suspected in death toll
BNO Newsroom on Twitter: "Japan's Foreign Ministry says a Japanese ma…
2-Feb: China cremates observed and suspected patients immediately after death
Cremate coronavirus dead nearby: National Health Commission - Chinada…
30-Jan: Crematorium: China burning bodies without testing or registration
https://archive.is/Thlaq#selection-3847.1-3847.225
22-Jan: According to CCP data, the flu only kills 144 people a year in China
https://archive.is/K40ru#selection-1321.0-1296.18

If the WHO and the MSM wanted to cause panic they would report on the reports from China that the virus can live on surfaces for 9 days, or even up to 28 days in perfect conditions
https://doi.org/10.1016/j.jhin.2020.01.022
https://doi.org/10.1016/j.jhin.2020.01.022

Or that it has already mutated into 3 strains, and that having one doesn't make you immune to the others, maybe not even the one you just had. there are tons of reports of "refinfections" from many different countries now. I don't know if those are true reinfections but it's definitely notable and good fear fuel but it's not broadcasted widely neither by the WHO or the MSM, because your hypothesis is wrong.

-Mar: "Recovered" drops dead, surge of reinfections
https://archive.is/MF0fv
28-Feb: Israeli "recovered" case tests positive again
https://archive.is/TV8DS
28-Feb: South Korea "recovered" case reinfected
https://archive.is/Gv1iu
27-Feb: All cases in study test positive 2 weeks after "recovery"
https://doi.org/10.1001/jama.2020.2783
27-Feb: Xuzhou first case reinfected weeks after "recovery"
https://archive.is/CuOtr
27-Feb: "Recovered" in Japan sick again: reinfected or dormant
https://archive.is/HjykE
26-Feb: 14% of "recovered" in Guangdong test positive again
https://archive.is/V6IgT
21-Feb: Patient reinfects himself after "recovery"
https://archive.is/8Ppkx
19-Feb: "There is a likelihood of relapse", expert says
https://archive.is/ABjjf
14-Feb: Reinfection possible and even deadlier
https://archive.is/Iw58p
31-Jan: Patients can get reinfected, no immunity after "recovery"
https://archive.is/W9vNf

Antibody response to old SARS-CoV is shortlived so maybe it's the same for the new one.
https://doi.org/10.1007/s12026-014-8534-z

There is much more to say but this post is already long enough.


You have to be absolutely delusional to claim that it's less deadly than the flu. Not calling it a pandemic at this point only seems rational to those who are utterly irrational. Furthermore the bond issue you are talking about is 180 degrees inverse of what you're talking about, they are not declaring it a pandemic because then they would have to pay out. They could declare it a pandemic right now but they wont because then the investors would lose their money. You tell me how to learn how to read and how to think yet you cant even comprehend how this bond scheme works. If a pandemic is declared before July the 15th, the investors lose their money, that money will go to some kind of pandemic fund for 3rd world countries. If a pandemic is not declared before now and July the 15th, the investors get all their money back. So the montary incentive is to not declare SARS-CoV-2 a pandemic no matter what happens. You are the one who got conned, you swallowed the lies of the CPC, the WHO, and your national government, without second thought.

https://www.mintpressnews.com/wall-...g-coronavirus-outbreak-pandemic-bonds/265264/
https://www.worldbank.org/en/news/p...million-pandemic-emergency-financing-facility


This "does not affect children" is probably the most disgusting lie they've pulled yet, and multiple national governments have actually fallen for it and refuse to take precauations in schools. Or maybe the governments are willing participants.

https://archive.nothingburger.today/Videos/Infected_or_Dead/China - 1582270480154.webm

https://archive.nothingburger.today/Videos/Infected_or_Dead/Iran children corona virus- 1231483712036012033.mp4

less deadly as in the death count is nowhere near the 50k the flu kills yearly in the US. It is orders of magnitude less even if you extrapolate over the whole year the current count. And flu season is about over....

About the incentives, the "machine" of course wants to declare it a pandemic so the program gets the money, instead of some random investors. The investors have no say. You will see it is declared pandemic before the bond pays the investors. Even the market knows this.

The value of the bonds has halved as the coronavirus outbreak has spread, raising fears investors could face losses.

You must be some kind of professional disinfo agent since you try to twist the facts in the most imaginative ways, and misrepresent what i (and probably all the studies you linked) said.
 

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True election years drive bigger ratings but the corona virus is being discussed in the media in the context of the election. The media definitely want to use in order to hurt trump. CNN already tried to call it the Trump Virus. Pretty much the entire establishment is praying that this causes a recession so that Trump gets kicked out of office. What they don't realise is it is likely to cause the opposite. I used to work as an independent trader in London and some of the people I worked with who have decades of experience are saying that this corona virus is setting up the market for a massive bull rally. All the actions that are being taken to protect the economy such as rate cuts, short term lifting of taxes etc, when in a few months the sky doesn't fall and people realise this is no way near as bad as everyone said we'll see a massive surge in the markets. Not saying low interest rates are good that's a whole other story just saying for purely a stock market bounce this could time perfectly for Trump and re-election.

To answer your question everyone who wants Trump to lose this year; Democrats, China, Russia, U.N and the EU they all benefit from this. Plus all these pharmaceutical companies racing to make a vaccine.
What makes you think Russia wants Trump to lose?

They seem to be the ones with the most to gain here. They generally catalyse instability in the West and Trump contributes greatly to that. I think they just dropped the other shoe in their oil price war. But their enemy isn't Saudi Arabia (that's a feint--the Saudis may even be in on it). Its Iraq and Iran, which they want dependent on them. Even more though, its oil shale producers in the US. Via oil shale the US has gone from the largest importer of oil to a net exporter. Problem is, production cost is about $35 per barrel. Russia is trying to drive defaults on the considerable debt they built up developing those reserves. First and foremost, just to destabilize the US. But also to ultimately drive out the competition. Then they will put on a fake smile and approach OPEC hat in hand ready to negotiate production limits once again.
 

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Now the exact same type of doctors testimonies that leaked out of China in January and early February are coming out of Italy

https://files.catbox.moe/3ns6c1.mp4

Just a flu bro! And if CNN or Rappaport don't talk about it then surely it can't be that bad!
 
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