Which vaccine is the safest to take?

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2 things:

1. the average american doesn't have the time, money, or desire to improve their own health. the average person doesn't even care what's inside their mcdonald's burger and fries, or what's in cigarettes, or the harmful effects of drugs, or alchohol. so getting them to all of a sudden care about their own health, and do complete dietary changes, is a difficult task. of course some may say that's their own responsibility, and while I agree, it doesn't mean they should just be let to die if their is a potential treatment. also many of them work hard labor jobs, or have to take care of multiple family members with not a lot of money. A completely new way of life is needed, which is easier said than done and most people are resistant to lifestyle changes.


2. how many people on this forums have tried all these things and are still ill and have poor metabolisms? it's hard to fix a lifetime worth of health problems. Not only that but some people have bad reactions to progesterone or vitamin D, or they can't get access to good quality pregnenolone or ripe fruits, etc. sometimes, especially for older high risk people, targeted vaccines (assuming they're traditionally made) can sometimes provide a net positive, especially for the more deadly pathogens (of which corona is probably not one of them). by targeted I mean offering the vaccines to very high risk local populations, as opposed to vaccinating 90% of the world including all the healthy people.
Even more reasons not to throw petrol on the fire. Image such a person dealing with vaccine toxins?

Plus the vaccine won't stop them catching the virus
 

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Even more reasons not to throw petrol on the fire. Image such a person dealing with vaccine toxins?
what about that same person dealing with the toxins from the actual pathogen? sometimes a risk/reward calculation needs to be done.
 
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what about that same person dealing with the toxins from the actual pathogen? sometimes a risk/reward calculation needs to be done.
They are going to deal with it anyway vaccine or not. The flu vaccine is toxic and everyone I know that has it ends up with flu. Eventually they end up with some sort of auto.
 

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They are going to deal with it anyway vaccine or not. The flu vaccine is toxic and everyone I know that has it ends up with flu. Eventually they end up with some sort of auto.
I agree, i don't think the flu shot is worth it it all. i'm talking about the more traditional non-mutating pathogens and vaccines (potentially covid for some people). I think targeted vaccines are a good idea for some of those, for example kids with immunodeficiency or different problems. or in places with a current outbreak. ideally however vaccines without aluminum or adjuvants would be made. vaccinating everyone for diseases that arnt deadly to healthy people is irrational. but it can provide some benefit to some people. it's not so black and white
 
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sometimes a risk/reward calculation needs to be done.
Impossible to do a risk/reward calculation without accurate data. In this age of censorship, doctors who report on issues resulting from the vaccines face professional ridicule. I know Dr Charles Hoffe is in Canada and not the United States. But when he reported serious issues his patients had with the vaccine he was told, "this can't be from the vaccine. The vaccine does not do that".

If someone drops dead a month after contracting COVID it counts as a COVID death. If someone drops dead a month after receiving a COVID vaccine, it is not counted as a vaccine death. This skews the available data further.

How can we possibly know if the risk of contracting COVID is greater than the risk of getting the COVID vaccine without good data being available?
 

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Impossible to do a risk/reward calculation without accurate data. In this age of censorship, doctors who report on issues resulting from the vaccines face professional ridicule. I know Dr Charles Hoffe is in Canada and not the United States. But when he reported serious issues his patients had with the vaccine he was told, "this can't be from the vaccine. The vaccine does not do that".

If someone drops dead a month after contracting COVID it counts as a COVID death. If someone drops dead a month after receiving a COVID vaccine, it is not counted as a vaccine death. This skews the available data further.

How can we possibly know if the risk of contracting COVID is greater than the risk of getting the COVID vaccine without good data being available?
agreed. we're in a difficult spot for sure. everyone has to do what they believe is the best thing for them. hard to trust anyone besides our own intuition in this environment.
 

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I think an inactivated virus is when they take a sample of the whole virus and kill it, meaning it can't repilicate anymore. they then combine that dead virus with an adjuvant like aluminum, because the aluminum is a toxin that stimulates an immune response to get rid of it, and once your immune system is overactive it then finds the dead virus and makes antibodies to it. the theory is that if they don't include a toxin to make the immune system overactive, no antibodies will be created because the dead virus as it stands alone is too insignicant for the body to muster a defensive response to it. that's why it requires an immune stimulation so the body finds less significant threats and makes antibodies. creating a vaccine with 0 adjuvant or immune stimulation would be very beneficial, although Im not sure how it can be done

this adjuvant mechanism, repeated over and over again, can create autoimmune issues because the immune system becomes so over reactive it starts attacking itself. not to mention the aluminum injected can find its way to the brain and other undesirable places. the overall mechanism is dangerous, but far less dangerous the mrna mechanism, and at least theres decades of trials behind it, and all of us have likely taken these vaccines before
Dolores Cahill has said her company had produced a vaccine that was used in Africa. The company made it without toxic adjuvants. She said it is totally possible to make safe vaccines. You could always reach out to her to find out the mechanism used.
 
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Dolores Cahill has said her company had produced a vaccine that was used in Africa. The made it without toxic adjuvants. She said it is totally possible to make safe vaccines. You could always reach out to her to find out the mechanism used.
There is no incentive to make a safe vaccine. The corruption is so profitable why would they. Anyone who tried to make a safe vaccine will soon be booted out of town.
 
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I am posting Dr Peat quote for anyone new who is unfamilar with it

Dr Peat on vaccine safety

PT: Dr. Ray Peat final question and we'll let you go. so in your all your experience being on this planet 83 years and looking at this for 50 years or so do you think it's at all possible that a safe and effective vaccine for this COVID 19 whatever it is could be available in the Fall or even early next year.

RP: A vaccine? No. has there ever been a safe and effective vaccine? The whole issue of safety testing has been fraudulent. The CDC disobeyed an order of Congress in not doing safety studies when they gave the pharmaceutical industry immunity from damages caused by killing people with bad vaccines. When they gave them that immunity, they were obligated by Congress to do safety testing and report every two years. For 30 years they did absolutely nothing and the safety testing that has been done, for example, if you think that the aluminum adjuvant has been causing deaths and brain damage, and you would test it against a blank something for sure not containing aluminum. But they used aluminum in the so called placebo they used a toxic placebo to measure the toxicity of the vaccine. Deliberate, intentional fraud.

PT: so Bobby Kennedy in his group did a FOIA request for safe and effective studies and they just turned up empty. so you're you're suggesting that even from measles. mumps, or rubella there has never been safe and effective testing done on these guys.

RP: and the same with flu vaccine.

PT: Flu vaccines, never.

RP: and I think this is important to look at at who the US Public Health Service and the CDC is who they are and who the organization has been what they've been doing right historically. During my lifetime there have been just horrible incredible scandals that they managed to keep secret. They said if some good organization found out about this, there could be a lot of smoke, for example, that they were infecting orphans in Guatemala with syphilis as part of a secret experiment, that they were covering up evidence of radiation damage from nuclear accidents in experimental reactors in the United states and from Three Mile Island. They've been on the side of the offenders keeping the information from the public.

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I am posting Dr Peat quote for anyone new who is unfamilar with it

Dr Peat on vaccine safety

PT: Dr. Ray Peat final question and we'll let you go. so in your all your experience being on this planet 83 years and looking at this for 50 years or so do you think it's at all possible that a safe and effective vaccine for this COVID 19 whatever it is could be available in the Fall or even early next year.

RP: A vaccine? No. has there ever been a safe and effective vaccine? The whole issue of safety testing has been fraudulent. The CDC disobeyed an order of Congress in not doing safety studies when they gave the pharmaceutical industry immunity from damages caused by killing people with bad vaccines. When they gave them that immunity, they were obligated by Congress to do safety testing and report every two years. For 30 years they did absolutely nothing and the safety testing that has been done, for example, if you think that the aluminum adjuvant has been causing deaths and brain damage, and you would test it against a blank something for sure not containing aluminum. But they used aluminum in the so called placebo they used a toxic placebo to measure the toxicity of the vaccine. Deliberate, intentional fraud.

PT: so Bobby Kennedy in his group did a FOIA request for safe and effective studies and they just turned up empty. so you're you're suggesting that even from measles. mumps, or rubella there has never been safe and effective testing done on these guys.

RP: and the same with flu vaccine.

PT: Flu vaccines, never.

RP: and I think this is important to look at at who the US Public Health Service and the CDC is who they are and who the organization has been what they've been doing right historically. During my lifetime there have been just horrible incredible scandals that they managed to keep secret. They said if some good organization found out about this, there could be a lot of smoke, for example, that they were infecting orphans in Guatemala with syphilis as part of a secret experiment, that they were covering up evidence of radiation damage from nuclear accidents in experimental reactors in the United states and from Three Mile Island. They've been on the side of the offenders keeping the information from the public.

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scary stuff. it should be noted however that MMR doesn't use aluminum, so the control group would have to be manipulated in another fashion.
 

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Dolores Cahill has said her company had produced a vaccine that was used in Africa. The company made it without toxic adjuvants. She said it is totally possible to make safe vaccines. You could always reach out to her to find out the mechanism used.
thanks. il try to find the interview where Ray talked about it as well, i believe he said the virus can be put just underneath our layer of skin, or something similar.
 
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scary stuff. it should be noted however that MMR doesn't use aluminum, so the control group would have to be manipulated in another fashion.
MMR is dangerous. yes I know Dr Wakefield was 'discredited' but now I think it is obvious he fell victim to big pharma.
 
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WHAT ARE THE INGREDIENTS IN THE BHARAT BIOTECH COVID-19 VACCINE
(COVAXINTM)?
The BHARAT BIOTECH COVID-19 VACCINE (COVAXINTM) includes the following ingredients:
COVAXINTM contains 6μ g of whole-virion inactivated SARS-CoV-2 antigen (Strain: NIV-2020-770),
and the other inactive ingredients such as aluminum hydroxide gel (250 μg), TLR 7/8 agonist
(imidazoquinolinone) 15 μg, 2-phenoxyethanol 2.5 mg, and phosphate buffer saline up to 0.5 ml. The
vaccine (COVAXINTM) thus has been developed by using inactivated/killed virus along with the
aforementioned chemicals.

There is nothing 'natural' about this
You’re right.
 

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Why not put energy into challenging a system that wants to mandate unnecessary vaccinations?
Oh i'm not getting it before it is absolutely forced. And i do my best to spread information about this madness to people i know (and online).
The issue with the mRNA vaccines is not that they turn your cells against you. One hypothesis is the mRNA leaks into the blood stream and is absorbed by endothelial cells in blood vessels. The spike protein made from the instructions encoded in the mRNA is expressed in the cell wall. The cell wall becomes rough like sandpaper triggering the body's clotting system. According to this hypothesis, people who get vaccinated can have thousands of tiny blood clots in thousands of tiny tiny blood vessels.

I have not come across an alternate hypothesis that explain all the side effects and other conditions caused by the mRNA vaccines.
How is this not considered turning your cells against you?
 

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For the benefit of those who did not catch the Stew Peters interview of Dr Jane Ruby on Novavax and are holding on to the hope of getting jabbed with it because it is not MRNA based:





Quick summary of Stew Peters interview of Dr Jane Ruby about Novavax





1. Novavax does not inject mrna into the human body. To get spike proteins produced to create an antibody response, it contains pre-made spike proteins in the injections.





2. The spike proteins are pre-manufactured by infecting moths with mrna instead. The exact composition of the harvested spike proteins is unknown at the moment, but presumed to be modelled after some variant of the SARS COV2 coronavirus or a "frankenstein" form of spike that does not even exist in nature.





3. This unnatural synthetic spike protein is then wrapped by lipid nano particles for injection into humans just as in mrna therapy. The use of lipid nano particles is implicated in the mechanism by which spike proteins no longer remain around the injection site but instead travel all over the body to incur microscopic blood clots.





4. Next, just as mrna therapy uses the toxic Polyethylene Glycol (PEG) as an "adjuvant" to shock the immune system into action when an intruder spike protein is injected into the body, Novavax uses a unique saponin (soap-like irritant particles) as the adjuvant. This saponin is only found in a rare species of trees in Chile. This implies that lots of these trees may become chopped down for their bark containing the unique saponin. Scalability and sustainability may become an issue to meet world supply-chain needs.





5. Finally, the last ingredient in Novavax is unique and not found in any other vaccine/therapy: They add PRION particles into the mix. Prions are the notorious chemicals responsible for brain damage in mad cow disease, and in brain diseases such as Alzheimer's Disease/Dementia. Studies have shown that prions causes massive amounts of lewey bodies in the brains of 'humanised' monkeys and mice, inevitably leading to 90+% death rates.





6. In the case of Novavax, they use an HIV-like prion called glycoprotein 120 (GP120) previously used in HIV vaccines that have never been approved or commercialised. The use of GP120 is presumably to induce broadly neutralising antibodies which other COVID-19 vaccines/therapies do not. (S-Trimer, a COVID-19 subunit vaccine candidate, induces protective immunity in nonhuman primates - Nature Communications) (NEJM Journal Watch: Summaries of and commentary on original medical and scientific articles from key medical journals)





7. GP120 has documented neurotoxicity in HIV research. (gp120 neurotoxicity fails to induce heat shock defenses, while the over expression of hsp70 protects against gp120 - PubMed)
thanks for this!!! I am mostly sceptical to the gp120 (which is combined with lpd from I think it is Ebola with a sulfide band to stabilize the mothcellspikes) - it seems that even short term exposure is not so good - it is speculated to be an important contributor to AIDS dementia, especially like with the spikeproteins themselves, when they enter the bloodstream and can bypass the socalled Blood Brain Barrier. I dont think it is maybe as bad as having a spike-factory inside you but its also not good at all:https://watermark.silverchair.com/6...Ffemfv-rC6XBMKZiCz2qPUE8GiQhr44B891iQr-ZqkQNw
 

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