Where do you fall on the political spectrum?

[Ben.]

I've never been big into politics .... but does it have to be one of thoose labels?

I have different views and opinions depending on the topic that could easily put me from one political spectrum into another within minutes.

As i get older the more i find myself more leaning to traditional values and acknowledging the importance of family and freedom however.

Many poltitical positions and stances also are heavily influenced by the dearly beloved "science". I mean it is easy to be for "all the climate change policies" if the world ending narrative were true but is it even true? If not, billions of people are making fools out of themself and play into the hands of globalistic oligarchs (well they/we do anyways). Even if it were true, we keep on destroying systemic structures, putting farmers out of buissnes, increasing inflation, making the regular low/mid income citizien pay even more than they already do (and shoudn't) making them even poorer as a result etc. etc. and also make everyone more miserable in the name of "saving the planet". And people keep on voting for these criminals.

Same goes for the vaccines and all the other globally reaching policies and ideas influencing everything from economics to social interactions.

After these last dreadful years i am big on w/e gives more power to the individual so he/she cannot be bullied by goverments, politicians and buisnessmen. I even look at rights to guns/weapons differently. We saw what the whole "communism" or "socialism" approach brings ... everyone gets a vaxxine that is more likely to harm you then help you. What value does any political system have when the people in charge and in power are psychopaths? What good is voting if the majority of votes comes from people voting ridiclious and stupid stuff? Influenced by media and goverments? When information is deliberately hidden, faked, and purposefully miss-communicated?


I also think tankawsnowgod is exactly right in the other political threads where he mentioned many people (me included) know way to little how the law and the system is actually build up.

 

[Zsazsa]

What good is voting if the majority of votes comes from people voting ridiclious and stupid stuff?

Underestimating voting rights just makes everything way too easy for those who want to decide about our lives.

 

[InChristAlone]

I've never been big into politics .... but does it have to be one of thoose labels?

I have different views and opinions depending on the topic that could easily put me from one political spectrum into another within minutes.

As i get older the more i find myself more leaning to traditional values and acknowledging the importance of family and freedom however.

Many poltitical positions and stances also are heavily influenced by the dearly beloved "science". I mean it is easy to be for "all the climate change policies" if the world ending narrative were true but is it even true? If not, billions of people are making fools out of themself and play into the hands of globalistic oligarchs (well they/we do anyways). Even if it were true, we keep on destroying systemic structures, putting farmers out of buissnes, increasing inflation, making the regular low/mid income citizien pay even more than they already do (and shoudn't) making them even poorer as a result etc. etc. and also make everyone more miserable in the name of "saving the planet". And people keep on voting for these criminals.

Same goes for the vaccines and all the other globally reaching policies and ideas influencing everything from economics to social interactions.

After these last dreadful years i am big on w/e gives more power to the individual so he/she cannot be bullied by goverments, politicians and buisnessmen. I even look at rights to guns/weapons differently. We saw what the whole "communism" or "socialism" approach brings ... everyone gets a vaxxine that is more likely to harm you then help you. What value does any political system have when the people in charge and in power are psychopaths? What good is voting if the majority of votes comes from people voting ridiclious and stupid stuff? Influenced by media and goverments? When information is deliberately hidden, faked, and purposefully miss-communicated?


I also think tankawsnowgod is exactly right in the other political threads where he mentioned many people (me included) know way to little how the law and the system is actually build up.

I guess that's where the 'vote for the lesser of two evils comes in' lol. A terrible system indeed. So many have utopian ideals but the vast majority of people are just going to vote either republican or democrat making any kind of attempt at something else near impossible. I said the same thing when I was like uhhh I'm not voting for that psychopath! But then I realized seems this system is so set in stone the people have little power to change it. So I see someone like Ron Desantis definitely lesser of the evils and I hope he does run for president because he has a good chance unlike any of the other parties. The elites won't let any other party come to the forefront. They will lie, cheat, and steal to make it stay repub/dems. Look at Bernie Sanders he had a huge huge following and was running under Democrat, but Hillary stole it. I think Trump was controlled opposition but I know that isn't popular on the forum. Either way all I know after being on all sides of the coin for some length of time is there will never be a utopia, gangs and bullies always rise to the top. We need to keep focused on what is right because that is the true war we are fighting.

Eph. 6. [12] For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.

 

[nomoreketones]

I don't know anyone who identifies as "alt right". Is that really a thing?

 

[InChristAlone]

I don't know anyone who identifies as "alt right". Is that really a thing?

They started to become more popular under Trump. I had a feeling there would be at least a couple who would click that box. It's the white nationalist.

 

[Zsazsa]

I guess that's where the 'vote for the lesser of two evils comes in' lol.

It all boils down to that.

I said the same thing when I was like uhhh I'm not voting for that psychopath!

After the pandemics it became clear that congressists, governors, mayors etc. are just as important. There are a lot of good people running for those offices now that everyone can tell between a politician who will impose mandates and lockdowns again and those who were hurt by them. I am hopeful!

 

[aniciete]

They started to become more popular under Trump. I had a feeling there would be at least a couple who would click that box. It's the white nationalist.

It’s laughable that people correlate “alt right” with trump

 

[Luann]

Sometimes I feel like it becomes a battle between leftists and conservatives.

Generally, I feel that this forum has taken a balanced, rational approach when it comes to these conversations. It's important to us that we can welcome people from all walks of life.

 

[InChristAlone]

Generally, I feel that this forum has taken a balanced, rational approach when it comes to these conversations. It's important to us that we can welcome people from all walks of life.

Yes it is important to welcome everyone regardless of political stance as long as they aren't bullies.

 

[HealingTheBody]

@Ben. I Think they try to manage the world based on collective, but not in the good way, the extremes of normal distribuition may pay a high price because of bad interaction with the environment that fit the collective but not the individual (many guys here on RPF fits in this example, like me as well). This is why we must look to the most high, Christ the real messiah, in order to value the tradeoff/gift of each one and provide the best interaction of each one with the environment, just as we optmize the metabolism, the pathways and so on. I think no political spectrum can provide this, I dont believe in any of their leaders.
I apologize for any mistake, english inst my first language. thanks

 

[nomoreketones]

It’s laughable that people correlate “alt right” with trump

That's one way to identify brain dead people brainwashed by the media. Anyone who thinks that alt right or white nationalism is in anyway associated with Trump is pretty ignorant at the very least.

 

[Dean]

"Bookchin felt that our environmental predicament is the result of the cancerous logic of capitalism, a system aimed at maximizing profit instead of enriching human lives: "By the very logic of its grow-or-die imperative, capitalism may well be producing ecological crises that gravely imperil the integrity of life on this planet."

I can agree with that. I just don't agree with socialism because it always ends up being centrally dictated. The problem with a lot of people on the left is that they have a more idealistic view of the world, that we could have it all and correct all the things wrong with our system basically like a utopia, but unfortunately it rarely happens that way. Bullies and gangs and dictators take over because we live in a fallen world, the conscientious get taken over. We have to recognize this.

Yeah, coming up with alternatives to capitalism are harder than critiques or condemnations.

He wasn't a socialist. First and foremost, a Decentralist. Ideas included communalism, confederalism, and libertarian municipalism.

It's all theoretical though. Technology (and capitalism) precludes decentralization. So barring another dark age it's all just mental masturbation anyway.

 

[Inaut]

everything is rigged (and scripted).

pawns in the game

 

[InChristAlone]

That's one way to identify brain dead people brainwashed by the media. Anyone who thinks that alt right or white nationalism is in anyway associated with Trump is pretty ignorant at the very least.

So you don't think he rallied them at all? The MAGA slogan. I have a family member who I would consider to be a white nationalist. He is very racist. He sports the MAGA hat and bumper sticker on his lifted truck. And he hates anyone who disagrees with him. Trump is his savior. He's also a veteran so very proud to be an American. Not that there's anything wrong with patriotism, it was cool to see Americans coming together with one goal. Kinda gave me goosebumps some of the social media videos with the parades and patriotic music. But then it was all a let down. He still thinks Trump can come back and make America great again.

 

[nomoreketones]

So you don't think he rallied them at all? The MAGA slogan.

No, not at all.

MAGA = Make America Great Again. The concept behind MAGA is that America reached its peak in prosperity when manufacturing happened in the United States. The idea is to bring the USA back to those times of economic prosperity and a central part of that is to bring manufacturing back to the United States.

White nationalists typically hate Trump because he allowed his daughter to convert to Judaism. If you know someone who you consider a white nationalist who supports Trump that doesn't mean that trump caters to those people. You can find examples horrible people supporting both Biden, Trump, Bernie Sanders and every other presidential candidate. That doesn't mean that the candidate or president actually encourages those people in any way.

 

[InChristAlone]

No, not at all.

MAGA = Make America Great Again. The concept behind MAGA is that America reached its peak in prosperity when manufacturing happened in the United States. The idea is to bring the USA back to those times of economic prosperity and a central part of that is to bring manufacturing back to the United States.

White nationalists typically hate Trump because he allowed his daughter to convert to Judaism. If you know someone who you consider a white nationalist who supports Trump that doesn't mean that trump caters to those people. You can find examples horrible people supporting both Biden, Trump, Bernie Sanders and every other presidential candidate. That doesn't mean that the candidate or president actually encourages those people in any way.

No I don't think he was encouraging them directly, but he didn't discourage it. He used them as pawns to get elected.

And I generally agree that supporting the working class of society is great. Jordan Peterson actually just made a post on YouTube about appreciating the men who are breaking their backs building our cities and fixing our roads and infrastructure. That we need to celebrate the hard working man. I think that goes a step further than Trump. JP actually wants to help build up men to take their place in society in again.

 

[nomoreketones]

No I don't think he was encouraging them directly, but he didn't discourage it. He used them as pawns to get elected.

I don't think so because real white nationalists are too small in number to really make a difference.

Trump does actually condemn and discourage them. The media suppresses the clips because it doesn't support their narratives. You have to go to the alternative technology sites to see Trump condemning them.


View: https://rumble.com/vaky4n-supercut-trump-condemns-white-supremacy-biotry-and-hate.html

 

[nomoreketones]

View: https://rumble.com/vane6d-trump-condemning-racism-5-minutes-straight..html

 

[InChristAlone]

I don't think so because real white nationalists are too small in number to really make a difference.

Trump does actually condemn and discourage them. The media suppresses the clips because it doesn't support their narratives. You have to go to the alternative technology sites to see Trump condemning them.


View: https://rumble.com/vaky4n-supercut-trump-condemns-white-supremacy-biotry-and-hate.html

It doesn't really matter to me whether he did or not, though that first clip didn't show him addressing it at his rallies where it probably matters the most. I was more concerned about antifa in the last few yrs. I'll never forget the videos of it streaming on social media. The cop that was brutally left to die in front of that pawn shop. And the people who had their heads smashed in on the streets. I really hope it doesn't happen again in 2024 (seems it's used to cause chaos before elections).

 

[nomoreketones]

It doesn't really matter to me whether he did or not, though that first clip didn't show him addressing it at his rallies where it probably matters the most.

If you had been watching his rallies over time you would know that Trump is completely against white nationalism and everything related to that. It is quite clear that he is not the person the media falsely portrays him to be.