Where do you fall on the political spectrum?

[nomoreketones]

According to the last political compass that was posted in the last post I would be on the bottom left of the compass. So I would be a libertarian by that definition. But that was not an option in the survey that was posted. Libertarians were lumped to together with conservatives which is a contraction based on the modern Heretic's political compass for a new millennium.

 

[InChristAlone]

I'm sorry guys I'm not super educated on politics it was an attempt at figuring out what kind of mix of people we have on the forum. Someone can start a new poll with better options. I see now that libertarians do not want to be lumped with conservatives but honestly they are very similar. Even Jordan Peterson's conservative manifesto is address to right of center conservatives and classic liberals which would be libertarian. The term liberal has been hijacked. And yes liberal and socialism is also lumped together because if you are a classic liberal then you more fit in with libertarian than you do with left of center socialists, socialism I do not believe is classic liberalism, but again I'm not super educated on current definitions.

 

[joaquin]

True libertarian means that the highest form of government on earth that man should seek after would be the father being the head of the family.

 

[InChristAlone]

True libertarian means that the highest form of government on earth that man should seek after would be the father being the head of the family.

I wish! The libertarians in politics do not necessarily preach Christian ideals. Our family then is truly libertarian. My husband is head of household and makes the decisions. We still give to Caesar what is Caesar's because otherwise we'd be in jail!

 

[I'm.No.One]

Lol, that's a great way to lose money, real quick.

I may not know what's "correct," but I do know choosing to be deliberately ignorant and completely hopeless is a surefire losing strategy, in this life and beyond.

Actually I'm the opposite of ignorant, meaning I see a big enough picture to know choosing a side in the political circus is the definition of ignorance because you're clearly not seeing it.

It's like saying the left or right hand of an abuser is better because he doesn't hit you with that one...

Also where did I say I was hopeless?

That's your own sh!t being projected.

 

[nomoreketones]

I see now that libertarians do not want to be lumped with conservatives but honestly they are very similar.

Here is the libertarian platform:

Platform | Libertarian Party

As adopted by convention, May 2022, Sparks, Nevada. Download PDF

www.lp.org

Borders - conservatives would disagree with this
"Economic freedom demands the unrestricted movement of human as well as financial capital across national borders."

Death Penalty - conservatives would disagree with this
"We oppose the administration of the death penalty by the state."

Vice Crimes - conservatives would disagree with this
"we favor the repeal of all laws creating “crimes” without victims, such as gambling, the use of drugs for medicinal or recreational purposes, and consensual transactions involving sexual services."

Foreign Policy - conservatives would disagree with this
"The United States should both avoid entangling alliances and abandon its attempts to act as policeman for the world."

Foreign Policy - conservatives would disagree with this
"American foreign policy should emphasize peace with all nations, entangling alliances with none. We would end the current U.S. government policies of foreign intervention including military and economic aid; tariffs; economic sanctions; and regime change."

 

[InChristAlone]

Here is the libertarian platform:

Platform | Libertarian Party

As adopted by convention, May 2022, Sparks, Nevada. Download PDF

www.lp.org

Borders - conservatives would disagree with this
"Economic freedom demands the unrestricted movement of human as well as financial capital across national borders."

Death Penalty - conservatives would disagree with this
"We oppose the administration of the death penalty by the state."

Vice Crimes - conservatives would disagree with this
"we favor the repeal of all laws creating “crimes” without victims, such as gambling, the use of drugs for medicinal or recreational purposes, and consensual transactions involving sexual services."

Foreign Policy - conservatives would disagree with this
"The United States should both avoid entangling alliances and abandon its attempts to act as policeman for the world."

Foreign Policy - conservatives would disagree with this
"American foreign policy should emphasize peace with all nations, entangling alliances with none. We would end the current U.S. government policies of foreign intervention including military and economic aid; tariffs; economic sanctions; and regime change."

I guess then I'm not completely libertarian! I do not agree with completely open borders. I do not agree completely with no vice crimes because of human trafficking many are groomed into it and have pimps that control them.

 

[tankasnowgod]

Actually I'm the opposite of ignorant, meaning I see a big enough picture to know choosing a side in the political circus is the definition of ignorance because you're clearly not seeing it.

I mean, you explicitly said you didn't read this thread, and then stated that you knew exactly what was said WITHOUT reading it. So sure, in fact, of your judgement, that you would bet every last dollar you own. When, instead, you could have just read the thread, and seen what people were saying.

That is being deliberately ignorant and arrogant, at least in this one instance.

Also where did I say I was hopeless?

You did say "It's all one big monkey trap & everyone's stuck because they won't let go of what's been pumped into their mind as to what's "correct" no matter what that is for any one person."

True, you didn't explicitly state you were hopeless, but I would assume you are part of "everyone," and that entire thought seems pretty hopeless to me.

 

[tankasnowgod]

I guess then I'm not completely libertarian! I do not agree with completely open borders. I do not agree completely with no vice crimes because of human trafficking many are groomed into it and have pimps that control them.

Don't let the title of a (controlled) political party determine the definition of a word. I think most people who tend to be libertarian don't support the "Libertarian Party," in the same way the Patriot Act wasn't Patriotic.

Larry Elder always made the distinction, for example, calling himself a "small l" libertarian.

 

[InChristAlone]

Don't let the title of a (controlled) political party determine the definition of a word. I think most people who tend to be libertarian don't support the "Libertarian Party," in the same way the Patriot Act wasn't Patriotic.

Larry Elder always made the distinction, for example, calling himself a "small l" libertarian.

That's true! I guess that's why making this post is very difficult because politics is so upside down, hard to categorize.

 

[Luann]

Interesting, @nomoreketones

Yes, a rise in human trafficking tends to follow legal prostitution. It could eventually be regulated to control that, but it is not currently a victim-less crime.

 

[nomoreketones]

Don't let the title of a (controlled) political party determine the definition of a word. I think most people who tend to be libertarian don't support the "Libertarian Party," in the same way the Patriot Act wasn't Patriotic.

Larry Elder always made the distinction, for example, calling himself a "small l" libertarian.

Good point. I don't support the libertarian party but I do have libertarian tendencies.

 

[nomoreketones]

Interesting, @nomoreketones

Yes, a rise in human trafficking tends to follow legal prostitution. It could eventually be regulated to control that, but it is not currently a victim-less crime.

Libertarians would be for prosecuting human traffickers because human trafficking is not a victimless crime. On the other hand if a person decides to engage in sex acts for money without any coercion then that is a victimless crime. That is the way libertarians look at it I believe.

 

[joaquin]

In any society, where the rights of the father/husband and boundaries of the family are violated, eventually the government becomes tyrannical.

 

[InChristAlone]

Libertarians would be for prosecuting human traffickers because human trafficking is not a victimless crime. On the other hand if a person decides to engage in sex acts for money without any coercion then that is a victimless crime. That is the way libertarians look at it I believe.

I think that's the issue because the person paying for the sex is part of a very dark business. Here in Florida it is illegal to pay for sex the motto here is bodies aren't for sale, they regularly make arrests for it, it's pretty big news here. Many are Disney employees and most are repeat offenders. They also free victims of human trafficking by doing the undercover operation. And they are going after pedophiles as well.

 

[Dean]

Here is the libertarian platform:

Platform | Libertarian Party

As adopted by convention, May 2022, Sparks, Nevada. Download PDF

www.lp.org

Borders - conservatives would disagree with this
"Economic freedom demands the unrestricted movement of human as well as financial capital across national borders."

Death Penalty - conservatives would disagree with this
"We oppose the administration of the death penalty by the state."

Vice Crimes - conservatives would disagree with this
"we favor the repeal of all laws creating “crimes” without victims, such as gambling, the use of drugs for medicinal or recreational purposes, and consensual transactions involving sexual services."

Foreign Policy - conservatives would disagree with this
"The United States should both avoid entangling alliances and abandon its attempts to act as policeman for the world."

Foreign Policy - conservatives would disagree with this
"American foreign policy should emphasize peace with all nations, entangling alliances with none. We would end the current U.S. government policies of foreign intervention including military and economic aid; tariffs; economic sanctions; and regime change."

The Libertarian Party of the US definitely does not encompass all of libertarian thought. The party is a representation of right-libertarianism.

As a left-libertarian myself, I find more in common with Republicans than the LP or certainly Democrats-- which just goes to show how far off the reservation liberalism has gone.

The choice that would have best represented myself politically would have been "politically homeless". I heard the young female who made the Alex Jones documentary recently describe herself that way. It's definitely a more telling and accurate self-description than Independent, in my view.

 

[InChristAlone]

The Libertarian Party of the US definitely does not encompass all of libertarian thought. The party is a representation of right-libertarianism.

As a left-libertarian myself, I find more in common with Republicans than the LP or certainly Democrats-- which just goes to show how far off the reservation liberalism has gone.

The choice that would have best represented myself politically would have been "politically homeless". I heard the young female who made the Alex Jones documentary recently describe herself that way. It's definitely a more telling and accurate self-description than Independent, in my view.

What then is the difference between left libertarian and right libertarian?

 

[Luann]

Libertarians would be for prosecuting human traffickers because human trafficking is not a victimless crime. On the other hand if a person decides to engage in sex acts for money without any coercion then that is a victimless crime. That is the way libertarians look at it I believe.

Oh ok, thanks

The choice that would have best represented myself politically would have been "politically homeless".

That sounds like what I'm.No-One was saying

 

[Dean]

What then is the difference between left libertarian and right libertarian?

I'd encourage you to do some research if you're really interested. Even wikipedia can give you a decent overview. The difference is almost entirely on the economic side of things. A Lot more nuance, schools of thought on the left side in that regard.

Murray Bookchin, a modern left-libertarian I like, said that right-libertarianism would more accurately be called propreitarianism. That's a good shorthand differentiation to drill down on, if inclined.

 

[InChristAlone]

I'd encourage you to do some research if you're really interested. Even wikipedia can give you a decent overview. The difference is almost entirely on the economic side of things. A Lot more nuance, schools of thought on the left side in that regard.

Murray Bookchin, a modern left-libertarian I like, said that right-libertarianism would more accurately be called propreitarianism. That's a good shorthand differentiation to drill down on, if inclined.

"Bookchin felt that our environmental predicament is the result of the cancerous logic of capitalism, a system aimed at maximizing profit instead of enriching human lives: "By the very logic of its grow-or-die imperative, capitalism may well be producing ecological crises that gravely imperil the integrity of life on this planet."

I can agree with that. I just don't agree with socialism because it always ends up being centrally dictated. The problem with a lot of people on the left is that they have a more idealistic view of the world, that we could have it all and correct all the things wrong with our system basically like a utopia, but unfortunately it rarely happens that way. Bullies and gangs and dictators take over because we live in a fallen world, the conscientious get taken over. We have to recognize this.