Where do you fall on the political spectrum?

[InChristAlone]

It seems like we have a good mix of people here, just wondering what the percentages are. Sometimes I feel like it becomes a battle between leftists and conservatives.

 

[Raw Egg Gnostic]

Seems libertarian and conservative should be separate categories. Pretty drastically different.

 

[joaquin]

1. Libertarian is actually biblical. Sorry, I won't explain this to you.

2. Conservative is worse than liberal.

 

[InChristAlone]

I lumped them together because economically they are similar, right libertarian is economically conservative. I can't change it now.

 

[InChristAlone]

 

[aniciete]

1. Libertarian is actually biblical. Sorry, I won't explain this to you.

2. Conservative is worse than liberal.

Any reason why?

 

[joaquin]

Any reason why?

Liberal signal turning left , and they actually go left.
Conservatives signal turning right, then try some compromise.

 

[aniciete]

Liberal signal turning left , and they actually go left.
Conservatives signal turning right, then try some compromise.

True, modern day cowards

 

[Artifex Bellator]

IMO- our social state is similar to at least one physical law. The 2nd Law of Thermodynamics-two states come into contact-they equalize. Conservatism reflects a highly ordered system, leftism is pure chaos-not even capable of assigning genders. When the two states come into contact-conservatives compromise. Thus not producing more order-but chaos and social decay. I don't see how the left will not win eventually-it's just a matter of time with the constant attacks on the values that underpin conservatism that lead to compromise. Republicans favorite exercise is running for the hills.

 

[InChristAlone]

IMO- our social state is similar to at least one physical law. The 2nd Law of Thermodynamics-two states come into contact-they equalize. Conservatism reflects a highly ordered system, leftism is pure chaos-not even capable of assigning genders. When the two states come into contact-conservatives compromise. Thus not producing more order-but chaos and social decay. I don't see how the left will not win eventually-it's just a matter of time with the constant attacks on the values that underpin conservatism that lead to compromise. Republicans favorite exercise is running for the hills.

Do you have any solutions for this problem? How can the conservatives win the battle so to speak?

 

[tankasnowgod]

IMO- our social state is similar to at least one physical law. The 2nd Law of Thermodynamics-two states come into contact-they equalize. Conservatism reflects a highly ordered system, leftism is pure chaos-not even capable of assigning genders. When the two states come into contact-conservatives compromise. Thus not producing more order-but chaos and social decay. I don't see how the left will not win eventually-it's just a matter of time with the constant attacks on the values that underpin conservatism that lead to compromise. Republicans favorite exercise is running for the hills.

Don't confuse elected representatives (aka, public servants) with the private people of this country. What you say is mostly true, when it comes to elected officials, and the exceptions are rare (I think Ron Paul, Pat Buchanan, and Barry Goldwater are good recent historical examples, and Ron DeSantis may be the best current example), I don't think this is necessarily true of the people, although many have fallen for scam, and have largely contracted many of their rights away, and discarded many of their values, or never really taught them to their children.

Do you have any solutions for this problem? How can the conservatives win the battle so to speak?

By realizing what the real target is, and that is the attack on private rights. Marx even said Communism can be summed up in four words in the Communist Manifesto- "Abolition of Private Property."

Communist Manifesto (Chapter 2)

On the relation between Communists and the working class

www.marxists.org

You should probably read the Communist Manifesto, to see Marx's proposals. It's only 40 pages, and you can find free copies in many places on the internet. I actually thought it followed the same formula as Jonathan Swift's "A Modest Proposal." Except, instead of taking it as Satire, people apparently really believe that surrendering their rights and freedoms to the banksters and governments will somehow make them "free." Only an insane person would fall for that. Or, someone who didn't read the book.

I think learning the difference between public and private is the real key. Yusef El did a great presentation on this-


View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wOXdY0UAWXs


I think it ultimately comes down to the private side. The public (aka, government) can only do so much. In The Republic, it's explicitly stated that power lies with the people, in their private capacity, and government get's its power as a delegation from the people. Learning the difference is the first step, and realizing you ultimately don't need "the government" for many things, (like schools, welfare, medical care, and such) that many people today rely on. It's a process, and it takes a while, but you can ultimately reclaim the private rights that you (likely unwittingly) contracted away. This war is fought one mind at a time, so don't let them take (or keep) yours, and do the best you can for your children.

Obviously, the families that funded Marx to write that book knew that the family is a huge source of power. They don't want competition, which is why they openly promote destruction of the family to others, while keeping their own families together privately.

 

[InChristAlone]

Don't confuse elected representatives (aka, public servants) with the private people of this country. What you say is mostly true, when it comes to elected officials, and the exceptions are rare (I think Ron Paul, Pat Buchanan, and Barry Goldwater are good recent historical examples, and Ron DeSantis may be the best current example), I don't think this is necessarily true of the people, although many have fallen for scam, and have largely contracted many of their rights away, and discarded many of their values, or never really taught them to their children.

By realizing what the real target is, and that is the attack on private rights. Marx even said Communism can be summed up in four words in the Communist Manifesto- "Abolition of Private Property."

Communist Manifesto (Chapter 2)

On the relation between Communists and the working class

www.marxists.org

You should probably read the Communist Manifesto, to see Marx's proposals. It's only 40 pages, and you can find free copies in many places on the internet. I actually thought it followed the same formula as Jonathan Swift's "A Modest Proposal." Except, instead of taking it as Satire, people apparently really believe that surrendering their rights and freedoms to the banksters and governments will somehow make them "free." Only an insane person would fall for that. Or, someone who didn't read the book.

I think learning the difference between public and private is the real key. Yusef El did a great presentation on this-


View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wOXdY0UAWXs


I think it ultimately comes down to the private side. The public (aka, government) can only do so much. In The Republic, it's explicitly stated that power lies with the people, in their private capacity, and government get's its power as a delegation from the people. Learning the difference is the first step, and realizing you ultimately don't need "the government" for many things, (like schools, welfare, medical care, and such) that many people today rely on. It's a process, and it takes a while, but you can ultimately reclaim the private rights that you (likely unwittingly) contracted away. This war is fought one mind at a time, so don't let them take (or keep) yours, and do the best you can for your children.

Obviously, the families that funded Marx to write that book knew that the family is a huge source of power. They don't want competition, which is why they openly promote destruction of the family to others, while keeping their own families together privately.

Yeah I read the manifesto about 4-5 yrs ago and it really got me second guessing whether I wanted to be leftist (I used to be a Bernie Sanders fan). I couldn't believe that people actually wanted any of it! It's downright horrifying. The destruction of the family unit was the most concerning. And that's basically what was happening to my own family as we went further and further from our traditional values. Then COVID/BLM was the nail in the coffin I wanted nothing to do with the left and I've completely turned my life around. The most shameful part of it for me has been that despite keeping my kids out of the public schooling system.. I was unknowingly indoctrinating them into leftist ideology just the same!!!! We were unschooling and a lot of people in the unschooling community are collectivists/hippies. It's been an uphill battlehill to undo the harm we did by not providing a stable structured environment where they had purpose and goals. And I have to admit the whole Peatarian anti-authoritarian stuff had a lot to do with me being that way. Peat himself talked kindly about the Soviet union.

So anyway, we are trying to keep our sovereignty. Florida is doing things right so far, other than when they shut down the beaches for about a month. That was really sketchy.

 

[HealingTheBody]

I am in the Z axis

 

[InChristAlone]

I am in the Z axis

And what does that entail?

 

[HealingTheBody]

@InChristAlone I think we should look to Christ, any political spectrum is incomplete in justice in my opinion.

 

[I'm.No.One]

Other.

It's all one big monkey trap & everyone's stuck because they won't let go of what's been pumped into their mind as to what's "correct" no matter what that is for any one person.

I didn't read anything in this thread but I'd bet my last dollar you're all arguing to some degree OR mirroring others that make you feel correct in your beliefs.

Monkey trap.

 

[tankasnowgod]

I didn't read anything in this thread but I'd bet my last dollar you're all arguing to some degree OR mirroring others that make you feel correct in your beliefs.

Lol, that's a great way to lose money, real quick.

I may not know what's "correct," but I do know choosing to be deliberately ignorant and completely hopeless is a surefire losing strategy, in this life and beyond.

 

[nomoreketones]

How could you make Liberal/socialist one category when both of these political philosophies are complete opposites?

I suppose the answer is that "liberal" doesn't mean one who believes in liberalism anymore. The meaning of "liberal" has been grossly distorted and now means "left wing".

So if "liberal" means left wing what do you call someone who believes in the values that came from enlightenment philosophers such as John Lock and Voltaire? If you say you are a "liberal" most idiots will think you are left wing.

 

[joaquin]

@InChristAlone I think we should look to Christ, any political spectrum is incomplete in justice in my opinion.

The Israelites of the first century for

@InChristAlone I think we should look to Christ, any political spectrum is incomplete in justice in my opinion.

The only way out of the mess is for each and every one that has reached the age of accountability to be baptized into Christ. Acts 2:38

 

[Nick]

I think the traditional political compass narrows the focus of what we consider to be politically important questions. Here is an example of an alternate political compass loosely based on ideas from Ivan Illich. In this paradigm I would fall in square I.

A Political Compass for a New Millennium

The Need for a New Political Typology Many Americans, especially those on the left, are overwhelmed by a stark feeling of political hom...

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