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Perhaps some kind of washing could improve it? I see psyllium fiber thrown around a lot as well.
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- from Everything About The Dogs by Alvin George Eberhart (published 1917)"It can be laid down that the quantity of meat can be reduced during the close season and increased during the working season to almost an all-meat diet with satisfactory results. Oatmeal and unbolted wheat flour are the most desirable of grains. Wheat Hour, rye or barley shorts should be baked as bread pones and allowed to cool and afterward broken up and softened with meal liquor, soup or milk. Cornmeal is a popular food with trainers, probably on account of its price, ease of obtaining and preparing, but it is a fat producer and not a muscle builder. No horse trainer would feed it to a thoroughbred when conditioning him for a race, and while trainers may feel satisfied with the way their dogs thrive, I am sure they would be capable of greater muscular effort if led on one of the other grains.
from Kennel Secrets : How to Breed, Exhibit and Manage Dogs by "Ashmont" published in 1904.Of the farinaceous substances or bread-stuffs, called, also, starchy foods, for the reason that starch is the chief constituent of them all, those commonly fed to dogs are wheat, oats, maize or Indian corn, and rice
Of these substances wheat is of the highest value, containing as it does the most flesh-forming and energy-producing materials, and although it deserves consideration merely as an accessory food it has been shown by experiment that dogs can subsist upon it alone for a long time and retain health and vigor, provided they are allowed all parts of the grain. But they could not do this on wheat as generally set before them - that is, as white bread, which for them is far from being a "staff of life." In fact it is practically valueless except as a vehicle for, or to give substance to, other and rich foods which might prove burdensome to the digestive organs were they served in concentrated forms.
As for "brown bread" proper, called Graham bread by many, it is decidedly richer in nutritive matters than the white bread, for it contains all parts of the wheat grain. Owing also to the presence of the particles of bran which are indigestible and by their roughness stimulate the muscular coat of the alimentary canal, and so aid in keeping the bowels free - this bread is of special value in feeding dogs that are allowed but little exercise. And it may be given with meat alone, in about the proportion of three parts bread to one of meat, or mixed with other starchy foods - as for instance, one-half "brown bread," one-fourth rice, one-fourth meat, and perhaps one or two eggs, the bread being softened always with a little broth, and the meat chopped fine and well mixed with it and the other foods.
pboy said:that's how serotonin based GI provocation works. Something offends the lining so its rushed out and serotonin stimulates it. But such substances bind up mucus, which is the lube of the intestines. So the initial clear out might still be lubricated, but then after that if you don't rebuild it before eating a high astringent or fiberous food, it causes slowed down non able to move appropriately intestines, because these kinds of fibers have a suction like action, and have to be literally lubed out of the GI with mucus. The best way to rebuild it is carbohydrate with some protein, that wont itself have any rough or drying properties. Mucus is mostly carbohydrate
sourdough bread isn't that bad for you
it's not ideal, and starch presorption can be avoided by eating it with coconut oil.
a glass of milk with it will balance the phosphate
It wouldn't have the estrogen reducing effect of wheat bran though, would it? That is what I'm most interested in.
if you eat it with coconut oil ? why not ?
That was a long time ago, so I don't remember details. I just didn't think it helped anything, estrogen or otherwise, and didn't feel like it was good for me to have that much.@Peata Or anyone else experiment with wheat bran? Has anyone noticed anything worth commenting on, what did you conclude from your experiment? I have been interested in wheat bran remembering Ray in an email saying to me it was protective
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I tried wheat bran for a week. It didn't feel good and disturbed my digestion, which was otherwise very good at the time. Studies show that wheat bran increases the incidence of bowel and colon cancer.
Nutr Cancer. 1984;6(2):77-85.
Enhancement of 1,2-dimethylhydrazine-induced large bowel tumorigenesis in Balb/c mice by corn, soybean, and wheat brans.
Clapp NK, Henke MA, London JF, Shock TL.
This study was designed to determine the effects of four well-characterized dietary brans on large bowel tumorigenesis induced in mice with 1,2-dimethylhydrazine (DMH). Eight-week-old barrier-derived male Balb/c mice were fed a semisynthetic diet with 20% bran added (either corn, soybean, soft winter wheat, or hard spring wheat) or a no-fiber-added control diet. Half of each group was given DMH (20 mg/kg body weight/week, subcutaneously for 10 weeks) beginning at 11 weeks of age. Surviving mice were killed 40 weeks after the first DMH injection. Tumors were not found in mice not subjected to DMH. In DMH-treated mice, tumors were found almost exclusively in the distal colon. Tumor incidences were as follows: controls, 11%; soybean group, 44%; soft winter wheat group, 48%; hard spring wheat group, 58%; and corn group, 72%. Tumors per tumor-bearing mouse ranged from 1.4 to 1.6, except in the corn group, which had 2.1. A positive correlation was found between percentage of neutral detergent fiber in the brans and tumor incidences but not between the individual components of cellulose, hemicellulose, or lignin. The enhancement of DMH-induced large bowel tumorigenesis by all four bran types may reflect a species and/or mouse strain effect that is bran-source related. These data emphasize the importance of using well-defined bran in all “fiber” studies.
Cancer Res. 1983 Sep;43(9):4057-61.
Enhancement of rat colon carcinogenesis by wheat bran consumption during the stage of 1,2-dimethylhydrazine administration.
Jacobs LR.
These results demonstrate that dietary wheat bran, a fiber which produces a hyperproliferative response in the colon, significantly increases colon carcinogenesis when fed to rats during the stage of carcinogen administration. This effect appears to be further enhanced when the wheat bran is totally removed from the diet following the stage of carcinogen administration. These data indicate that the hyperproliferative effects of wheat bran appear to outweigh any preventive actions that bran may have on colon carcinogenesis by altering the bulk of intestinal contents and their transit time through the bowel.
That was a long time ago, so I don't remember details. I just didn't think it helped anything, estrogen or otherwise, and didn't feel like it was good for me to have that much.