What's the significance of Sberbank?

[yerrag]

I don't rely on the media for my knowledge of communist countries like Venezuela. I rely on my experience living there. Just because the MSM says so doesn't mean it's not true. The MSM does tell some truth. The alt media tells lies as well as the MSM, so both are questionable.

Having lived in Venezuela, the MSM is not telling you had bad it is there. It's actually worse than they are saying.

So you're saying you were an investigative journalist there or you read the newspapers there? Or were you living in a rich envlave in the capital and still were able to know about the goings-on in far-flung provinces. And you were privy to what was going on in Chavez' and Maduros' camp, as well as to the CIA trade attachés of the US embassy and knew the ambassador had a strict policy to support the Peace Corp but not the CIA?

 

[Pistachio]

So you're saying you were an investigative journalist there or you read the newspapers there? Or were you living in a rich envlave in the capital and still were able to know about the goings-on in far-flung provinces. And you were privy to what was going on in Chavez' and Maduros' camp, as well as to the CIA trade attachés of the US embassy and knew the ambassador had a strict policy to support the Peace Corp but not the CIA?

I lived with the common folk. I had no privilege there. I didn't need to be privy to anything to know the state of affairs there. I saw it all first hand during the Chavez regime. All you have to do is try to buy food or go out at night. You see how horrible it is with those two simple things. I can't imagine how much worse it is now. I refuse to go back. The Leftist media is deliberately not stating how bad it is there becuase it realizes that it will paint socialism in a negative light, but it does like to villainize Venezuela's leaders (they really are villains, all Moscow-approved) for economic gain. You see the doublefold strategy here? It's non-linear, so you can't just analyze it linearly. That's a mistake. For example, you can't think that because the Leftist media seems to oppose Chavez or Maduro that that means they are good guys. That's not how Soviet strategy works. You have to think like them to understand them. Both the Leftist media in the West and dictators like Maduro are in it together. They throw a few non-lethal jabs at each other to keep the charade going while the gullible public buys it all up. It's dialectical materialism at work.

The CIA has long been Soviet collaborators. Therefore, they are not representative of the true West. It's really irrelevant to bring that up.

 

[yerrag]

I lived with the common folk. I had no privilege there. I saw it all first hand during the Chavez regime. I can't imagine how much worse it is now. I refuse to go back. The Leftist media is deliberately not stating how bad it is there becuase it realizes that it will paint socialism in a negative light, but it does like to villainize Venezuela's leaders (even though they really are villains) for economic gain. You see the doublefold strategy here?

The CIA has long been Soviet collaborators. Therefore, they are not representative of the true West. It's really irrelevant to bring that up.

I trust you more now on your word. Venezuela was a richer country. They would send a lot of students to the US, and that is one informal measure of a country's wealth. But I don't know if Chavez was undone by his own corruption for being unable to put a check on his power, or whether he was being undone by the inherited establishment (which we know from JFK and Trump is the real power to dislodge).

But how is the CIA not representative of the true West? I see the true West daily, and it's pockmarked with CIA drive by shootings.

 

[gaze]

I lived with the common folk. I had no privilege there. I didn't need to be privy to anything to know the state of affairs there. I saw it all first hand during the Chavez regime. All you have to do is try to buy food or go out at night. You see how horrible it is with those two simple things. I can't imagine how much worse it is now. I refuse to go back. The Leftist media is deliberately not stating how bad it is there becuase it realizes that it will paint socialism in a negative light, but it does like to villainize Venezuela's leaders (they really are villains, all Moscow-approved) for economic gain. You see the doublefold strategy here? It's non-linear, so you can't just analyze it linearly. That's a mistake.

The CIA has long been Soviet collaborators. Therefore, they are not representative of the true West. It's really irrelevant to bring that up.

but who's denying that Venezuela is bad? everyone knows its a horrible place to live. The question is to why, and I believe the mass poverty, horrible economic situation, etc. are all because the west will never let them thrive on the global stage. So then you have a situation of socialism + corruption + poverty which makes everyone blame the socialism, but in reality its cause they aren't willing to get on their knees and submit to the west policies so the west punishes them for it, which inevtibly leads to poverty and poverty leads to all kinds of furthur corruption, mob mentality, and instability

 

[Pistachio]

I trust you more now on your word. Venezuela was a richer country. They would send a lot of students to the US, and that is one informal measure of a country's wealth. But I don't know if Chavez was undone by his own corruption for being unable to put a check on his power, or whether he was being undone by the inherited establishment (which we know from JFK and Trump is the real power to dislodge).

But how is the CIA not representative of the true West? I see the true West daily, and it's pockmarked with CIA drive by shootings.

They don't necessarily assassinate someone for posing a threat. JFK was furthering the Soviet agenda yet they offed him. Those reasons are likely complex and require a lot of analysis on order to sort out, so save that for another thread.

How could the CIA be representative of the West if its infiltrated and run by anti-Western communists?

 

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Venezuela Stops Accepting Dollars for Oil Payments Following U.S. Sanctions

Oil-rich country, looking for ways to circumvent U.S. sanctions, is telling oil traders that it will no longer receive or send payments in dollars, people familiar with the new policy have told The Wall Street Journal.

www.wsj.com

this is why the US cares so much about opposing venezuela government

 

[Pistachio]

but who's denying that Venezuela is bad? everyone knows its a horrible place to live. The question is to why, and I believe the mass poverty, horrible economic situation, etc. are all because the west will never let them thrive on the global stage. So then you have a situation of socialism + corruption + poverty which makes everyone blame the socialism, but in reality its cause they aren't willing to get on their knees and submit to the west policies so the west punishes them for it, which inevtibly leads to poverty and poverty leads to all kinds of furthur corruption, mob mentality, and instability

This is a Soviet narrative that has been meticulously planted and spread in the "alt media" and in Marxist circles. It's basically Marxist anti-colonialism.

However, colonialism has generally been good for the world. That might be hard to swallow because we are so used to hearing these Soviet narratives, but when you actually analyze it, it's true. And on the contrary, anti-colonialism has been what's causing most of the world's problems.

(see Bruce Gilley's excellent essay The Case for Colonialism - http://www.web.pdx.edu/~gilleyb/2_The case for colonialism_at2Oct2017.pdf)

 

[yerrag]

How could the CIA be representative of the West if its infiltrated and run by anti-Western communists?

Because the CIA is an extension of the Zionist central command, and is the informal power center, even more powerful than any branch of government, and is answerable to no one. Assange may be in jail, but Brennan and Clapper and Comey are woven into the CIA and security state dictstorship in the West. Most of all, they can hide under "national security" reasons and get away with murder, literally, and mass murder. What they say and do is law, and that is what determines life anywhere. The West is not exempt from such overbearing influence.

So there really is no other true West unless you're in Hollywood.

 

[Pistachio]

Because the CIA is an extension of the Zionist central command, and is the informal power center, even more powerful than any branch of government, and is answerable to no one. Assange may be in jail, but Brennan and Clapper and Comey are woven into the CIA and security state dictstorship in the West. Most of all, they can hide under "national security" reasons and get away with murder, literally, and mass murder. What they say and do is law, and that is what determines life anywhere. The West is not exempt from such overbearing influence.

So there really is no other true West unless you're in Hollywood.

That's circular. As I said earlier, the Zionist state of Israel was sponsored first and foremost by the Soviet Union. The British abstained from the U.N. Partition Plan vote. This Soviet rhetoric we here about how the Balfour Declaration and "anglo-Zionists" created Zionism is utter hogwash.

The CIA is an instrument of the East against the West. It's been that way since the 1970s.

The true West are the people. Westerners. We are what made Western Civilization great. We got too soft and decadent and allowed communists to infiltrate our government and control it.

 

[yerrag]

That's circular. As I said earlier, the Zionist state of Israel was sponsored first and foremost by the Soviet Union. The British abstained from the U.N. Partition Plan vote. This Soviet rhetoric we here about how the Balfour Declaration and "anglo-Zionists" created Zionism is utter hogwash.

The CIA is an instrument of the East against the West. It's been that way since the 1970s.

You're not even answering my question: What is representative of the true West? It seems like there's none except the West as influenced by the CIA. Regardless of whether Russia controls the CIA or not.

 

[Pistachio]

You're not even answering my question: What is representative of the true West? It seems like there's none except the West as influenced by the CIA. Regardless of whether Russia controls the CIA or not.

Read up. I edited my comment.

 

[Pistachio]

Stop reading sites like RT, Unz Review, and GlobalResearch. They are Kremlin-controlled "alt media" outlets. Their agenda is to paint the West in the most negative light as possible.

Crypto-Bolshevik Aleksandr Dugin:

Therefore, the first task to gain victory would be real fully-fledged company to create the entirely negative, monstrous, satanic image of the United States and the West in general.

 

[yerrag]

Read up. I edited my comment.

Okay. I will agree to that. But it isn't an entity. It is much like what the CIA would say about Antifa - a movement. Not a formal entity. That isn't true about Antifa though, but is true of the "true West." It is an ideal, like the Knights of the Round Table.

 

[yerrag]

Stop reading sites like RT, Unz Review, and GlobalResearch. They are Kremlin-controlled "alt media" outlets.

But you aren't given us your recommendations. I suppose NYT and WaPo isn't kosher either. What about the stuff Ray Peat recommends? Is that more to your liking?

 

[yerrag]

You speak of the "true West" as if it's the new diaspora. West (controlled by Zionists), meet the "true West."

 

[Pistachio]

But you aren't given us your recommendations. I suppose NYT and WaPo isn't kosher either. What about the stuff Ray Peat recommends? Is that more to your liking?

Your recommendation is self-evident: get to a place where you can read from any source and still be able to filter out their disinformation. If you aren't able to yet do this, then work on your analytical skills. Learn strategy. Read Sun Tzu's Art of War, for example.

 

[Pistachio]

You speak of the "true West" as if it's the new diaspora. West (controlled by Zionists), meet the "true West."

“The KGB always regarded anti-Semitism plus anti-imperialism as a rich source of anti-Americanism.” —Romanian Soviet defector Ion Mihai Pacepa.

In truth, Russia is the truly Zionist controlled power in the world. Every single Israeli Prime Minister was born to Soviet parents or grand parents. Putin is Jewish.

 

[yerrag]

Your recommendation is self-evident: get to a place where you can read from any source and still be able to filter out their disinformation. If you aren't able to yet do this, then work on your analytical skills. Learn strategy. Read Sun Tzu's Art of War, for example.

I sure have a lot of ground to cover up to measure up to your analytical skills. While you suggestion is nice, it doesn't cover current events, much less recent history, nor any part of history at all.

 

[Pistachio]

I sure have a lot of ground to cover up to measure up to your analytical skills. While you suggestion is nice, it doesn't cover current events, much less recent history, nor any part of history at all.

You need the understanding of their strategies before you can accurately decipher current events. One must come before the other. Weak and inept Western analysis is what led to the West losing the Cold War—yes, we lost it, despite media narratives to the contrary.

 

[yerrag]

“The KGB always regarded anti-Semitism plus anti-imperialism as a rich source of anti-Americanism.” —Romanian Soviet defector Ion Mihai Pacepa.

In truth, Russia is the truly Zionist controlled power in the world. Every single Israeli Prime Minister was born to Soviet parents or grand parents. Putin is Jewish.

I don't like the sound of that, but that may be the real elephant in the room. The Zionists must have invented the nested Russian doll - you're trapped any which way. There's a larger and wider net to trap you. There's no escaping its clutches.