What's the significance of Sberbank?

Energizer

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I don't mean to put words in Ray Peat's mouth, but he seems to think Putin is one of the presidents who hasn't yet fallen to corruption as he has said in multiple interviews. Yet the Russian Sberbank is partnered with Cyberpolygon -- is there a connection there? I would've thought Putin would not want to involve Russia in such things (perhaps I am totally wrong). Is this simply beyond Putin? Or perhaps he is thinking a few moves ahead and holding his hand to play later. I don't understand the politics here.

Sberbank’s largest shareholder, as of last year, is the Russian government, and it is thus often described by English-language media outlets as a state-controlled bank.

Cyber Polygon


Putin seems to be against the globalist agenda:
View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hPClu1BeQIE

Transcripts:
 
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I don't mean to put words in Ray Peat's mouth, but he seems to think Putin is one of the presidents who hasn't yet fallen to corruption as he has said in multiple interviews. Yet the Russian Sberbank is partnered with Cyberpolygon -- is there a connection there? I would've thought Putin would not want to involve Russia in such things (perhaps I am totally wrong). Is this simply beyond Putin? Or perhaps he is thinking a few moves ahead and holding his hand to play later. I don't understand the politics here.



Cyber Polygon


Putin seems to be against the globalist agenda:
View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hPClu1BeQIE

Transcripts:

I don’t have the answer, but I know that in 1990’s Russia got heavily involved in all sorts of global economic institutions to “please” the so called west. One of them is central bank of Russia, which doesn’t answer to Russian government, but to US federal reserve bank, when you get down to it. My thinking is, Putin is trying to at least diminish this dependency if not stop it. But he might not have enough power and tools to do that.
 

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Russia puzzles me.

Is it merely the Cyrillic alter ego of the United States. Another smoke and mirror puppet government run by Zionists? After all, a lot of the big money is Jewish there. Even after a lot of Jews emigrated to Israel and to other countries in the Jewish diaspora.

Can Putin be just as easily assassinated as a US president? Is that not happening because, like Trump, Putin is playing his part?

Unlike China, Putin allows the Zionist social media of the West - FB, Google, Twitter - carte blanche access to the minds and hearts of Russian citizens. In the era of color revolutions and 4th (or is it 5th) generation warfare, why give Zion an open field to invade?
 
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I don’t have the answer, but I know that in 1990’s Russia got heavily involved in all sorts of global economic institutions to “please” the so called west. One of them is central bank of Russia, which doesn’t answer to Russian government, but to US federal reserve bank, when you get down to it. My thinking is, Putin is trying to at least diminish this dependency if not stop it. But he might not have enough power and tools to do that.
That makes sense to me. Perhaps it is like you say, just beyond Putin's means at the moment to turn the tide against all the economic policies of Yeltsin and other presidents before Putin. As an outsider, it seems like things will be better in Russia long-term, than they are in say, the US, economically and quality of life wise if we were to compare, in fact perhaps they already may be higher for all I know.
I looked at rough figures on this site to compare:

Salaries And FinancingRussiaUnited States
Buy Apartment PriceRussiaUnited States
Rent Per MonthRussiaUnited States
Clothing And ShoesRussiaUnited States
ChildcareRussiaUnited States
Sports And LeisureRussiaUnited States
Utilities (Monthly)RussiaUnited States
TransportationRussiaUnited States
MarketsRussiaUnited States
RestaurantsRussiaUnited StatesDifference
Meal, Inexpensive Restaurant600.00 руб
(8.34 $)
1,079.23 руб
(15.00 $)
+79.87 %
Meal for 2 People, Mid-range Restaurant, Three-course2,500.00 руб
(34.75 $)
4,316.94 руб
(60.00 $)
+72.68 %
McMeal at McDonalds (or Equivalent Combo Meal)300.00 руб
(4.17 $)
575.59 руб
(8.00 $)
+91.86 %
Domestic Beer (1 pint draught)150.00 руб
(2.08 $)
359.75 руб
(5.00 $)
+139.83 %
Imported Beer (12 oz small bottle)200.00 руб
(2.78 $)
431.69 руб
(6.00 $)
+115.85 %
Cappuccino (regular)139.10 руб
(1.93 $)
308.89 руб
(4.29 $)
+122.06 %
Coke/Pepsi (12 oz small bottle)56.56 руб
(0.79 $)
137.20 руб
(1.91 $)
+142.56 %
Water (12 oz small bottle)34.12 руб
(0.47 $)
110.77 руб
(1.54 $)
+224.68 %
Milk (regular), (1 gallon)249.34 руб
(3.47 $)
232.94 руб
(3.24 $)
-6.58 %
Loaf of Fresh White Bread (1 lb)36.81 руб
(0.51 $)
178.36 руб
(2.48 $)
+384.54 %
Rice (white), (1 lb)37.00 руб
(0.51 $)
129.94 руб
(1.81 $)
+251.20 %
Eggs (regular) (12)93.14 руб
(1.29 $)
165.59 руб
(2.30 $)
+77.79 %
Local Cheese (1 lb)272.75 руб
(3.79 $)
361.92 руб
(5.03 $)
+32.69 %
Chicken Fillets (1 lb)126.14 руб
(1.75 $)
300.30 руб
(4.17 $)
+138.07 %
Beef Round (1 lb) (or Equivalent Back Leg Red Meat)233.66 руб
(3.25 $)
412.01 руб
(5.73 $)
+76.33 %
Apples (1 lb)48.25 руб
(0.67 $)
147.71 руб
(2.05 $)
+206.17 %
Banana (1 lb)32.83 руб
(0.46 $)
50.83 руб
(0.71 $)
+54.83 %
Oranges (1 lb)47.00 руб
(0.65 $)
129.45 руб
(1.80 $)
+175.41 %
Tomato (1 lb)72.74 руб
(1.01 $)
139.33 руб
(1.94 $)
+91.55 %
Potato (1 lb)17.34 руб
(0.24 $)
84.27 руб
(1.17 $)
+385.98 %
Onion (1 lb)15.09 руб
(0.21 $)
84.68 руб
(1.18 $)
+461.31 %
Lettuce (1 head)73.21 руб
(1.02 $)
118.07 руб
(1.64 $)
+61.29 %
Water (1.5 liter bottle)39.48 руб
(0.55 $)
129.90 руб
(1.81 $)
+229.01 %
Bottle of Wine (Mid-Range)500.00 руб
(6.95 $)
863.39 руб
(12.00 $)
+72.68 %
Domestic Beer (0.5 liter bottle)63.47 руб
(0.88 $)
176.17 руб
(2.45 $)
+177.54 %
Imported Beer (12 oz small bottle)121.21 руб
(1.68 $)
203.48 руб
(2.83 $)
+67.87 %
Cigarettes 20 Pack (Marlboro)170.00 руб
(2.36 $)
575.59 руб
(8.00 $)
+238.58 %
One-way Ticket (Local Transport)35.00 руб
(0.49 $)
161.89 руб
(2.25 $)
+362.53 %
Monthly Pass (Regular Price)2,170.00 руб
(30.16 $)
4,676.69 руб
(65.00 $)
+115.52 %
Taxi Start (Normal Tariff)100.00 руб
(1.39 $)
233.83 руб
(3.25 $)
+133.83 %
Taxi 1 mile (Normal Tariff)27.36 руб
(0.38 $)
187.07 руб
(2.60 $)
+583.76 %
Taxi 1hour Waiting (Normal Tariff)348.49 руб
(4.84 $)
2,158.47 руб
(30.00 $)
+519.38 %
Gasoline (1 gallon)180.70 руб
(2.51 $)
187.91 руб
(2.61 $)
+3.99 %
Volkswagen Golf 1.4 90 KW Trendline (Or Equivalent New Car)1,429,900.00 руб
(19,873.80 $)
1,654,827.00 руб
(23,000.00 $)
+15.73 %
Toyota Corolla Sedan 1.6l 97kW Comfort (Or Equivalent New Car)1,578,494.99 руб
(21,939.08 $)
1,555,748.37 руб
(21,622.93 $)
-1.44 %
Basic (Electricity, Heating, Cooling, Water, Garbage) for 915 sq ft Apartment7,878.65 руб
(109.50 $)
11,860.55 руб
(164.85 $)
+50.54 %
1 min. of Prepaid Mobile Tariff Local (No Discounts or Plans)1.98 руб
(0.03 $)
10.01 руб
(0.14 $)
+405.83 %
Internet (60 Mbps or More, Unlimited Data, Cable/ADSL)490.96 руб
(6.82 $)
4,734.65 руб
(65.81 $)
+864.37 %
Fitness Club, Monthly Fee for 1 Adult2,512.63 руб
(34.92 $)
2,666.90 руб
(37.07 $)
+6.14 %
Tennis Court Rent (1 Hour on Weekend)1,281.47 руб
(17.81 $)
1,128.60 руб
(15.69 $)
-11.93 %
Cinema, International Release, 1 Seat350.00 руб
(4.86 $)
863.39 руб
(12.00 $)
+146.68 %
Preschool (or Kindergarten), Full Day, Private, Monthly for 1 Child21,894.87 руб
(304.31 $)
67,355.41 руб
(936.15 $)
+207.63 %
International Primary School, Yearly for 1 Child420,029.33 руб
(5,837.88 $)
1,120,261.08 руб
(15,570.21 $)
+166.71 %
1 Pair of Jeans (Levis 501 Or Similar)5,377.77 руб
(74.74 $)
3,160.65 руб
(43.93 $)
-41.23 %
1 Summer Dress in a Chain Store (Zara, H&M, ...)3,014.25 руб
(41.89 $)
2,554.65 руб
(35.51 $)
-15.25 %
1 Pair of Nike Running Shoes (Mid-Range)5,602.96 руб
(77.87 $)
5,471.54 руб
(76.05 $)
-2.35 %
1 Pair of Men Leather Business Shoes6,952.66 руб
(96.63 $)
6,925.25 руб
(96.25 $)
-0.39 %
Apartment (1 bedroom) in City Centre37,174.95 руб
(516.68 $)
96,299.35 руб
(1,338.44 $)
+159.04 %
Apartment (1 bedroom) Outside of Centre24,202.35 руб
(336.38 $)
77,928.13 руб
(1,083.10 $)
+221.99 %
Apartment (3 bedrooms) in City Centre68,963.98 руб
(958.51 $)
154,903.09 руб
(2,152.96 $)
+124.61 %
Apartment (3 bedrooms) Outside of Centre42,534.80 руб
(591.18 $)
125,236.78 руб
(1,740.63 $)
+194.43 %
Price per Square Feet to Buy Apartment in City Centre15,888.32 руб
(220.83 $)
23,968.00 руб
(333.12 $)
+50.85 %
Price per Square Feet to Buy Apartment Outside of Centre10,449.89 руб
(145.24 $)
14,329.03 руб
(199.16 $)
+37.12 %
Average Monthly Net Salary (After Tax)46,835.07 руб
(650.95 $)
255,926.63 руб
(3,557.06 $)
+446.44 %
Mortgage Interest Rate in Percentages (%), Yearly, for 20 Years Fixed-Rate9.814.03 -58.90 %
Last update:June 2021June 2021
Contributors in the past 12 months:154613428
So if these figures are ballpark accurate, Russia has cheaper cost of living, lower average purchasing power, so the quality of life for average Russian seems to be higher than average American. Only there is a higher quality of life if you have a relatively high purchasing power in the US, in which case your higher cost of living would be less impactful.

Used this site as a reference for the figures:
https://www.numbeo.com/cost-of-living/compare_countries_result.jsp?country1=Russia&country2=United+States



Also, if the central bank of Russia answers to the US federal reserve bank, perhaps it puts these decisions under significant economic pressure from the West, but fortunately, Russia seems to be continuing to gain independence from these economic handcuffs. Contrast the Russian government's approach of alliance and trade building with the largely war-mongering and sanctions-issuing American Empire, it doesn't take a crystal ball to see which will likely be more prosperous in the long run. The only way the American Empire seems to be able to succeed economically is by force and war which will backfire, continue winning more enemies, the chickens will come home to roost.
 

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I don't mean to put words in Ray Peat's mouth, but he seems to think Putin is one of the presidents who hasn't yet fallen to corruption as he has said in multiple interviews. Yet the Russian Sberbank is partnered with Cyberpolygon -- is there a connection there? I would've thought Putin would not want to involve Russia in such things (perhaps I am totally wrong). Is this simply beyond Putin? Or perhaps he is thinking a few moves ahead and holding his hand to play later. I don't understand the politics here.



Cyber Polygon


Putin seems to be against the globalist agenda:
View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hPClu1BeQIE

Transcripts:


Putin's seeming anti-globalism is all an act. He is very much a part of the New World Order as much, if not more so than, his seemingly "enemy" Western counterparts.

In short, Putin is controlled opposition to the New World Order, as Lenin himself admitted, "to control the opposition, we must lead it ourselves."

Do you know that Putin's ruling party, the United Russia Party, controls its supposed opposition parties? It also controls the fake opposition parties to its opposition parties. Hegelian dialectic at play in a big way here.
 

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Another thing, Russia's Central Bank is a member of the Rothschild's Bank of International Settlements, yet Russian trolls in Western alt media circles continually circulate this nonsense that Putin kicked the Rothschilds out of Russia. Russia has an office in Moscow, for crying out loud. Total nonsense from the Kremlin-controlled alt media.
 
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I don’t have the answer, but I know that in 1990’s Russia got heavily involved in all sorts of global economic institutions to “please” the so called west. One of them is central bank of Russia, which doesn’t answer to Russian government, but to US federal reserve bank, when you get down to it. My thinking is, Putin is trying to at least diminish this dependency if not stop it. But he might not have enough power and tools to do that.
That makes sense to me. Perhaps it is like you say, just beyond Putin's means at the moment to turn the tide against all the economic policies of Yeltsin and other presidents before Putin. As an outsider, it seems like things will be better in Russia long-term, than they are in say, the US, economically and quality of life wise if we were to compare, in fact perhaps they already may be higher for all I know.

Also, if the central bank of Russia answers to the US federal reserve bank, perhaps it puts these decisions under significant economic pressure from the West, but fortunately, Russia seems to be continuing to gain independence from these economic handcuffs. Contrast the Russian government's approach of alliance and trade building with the largely war-mongering and sanctions-issuing American Empire, it doesn't take a crystal ball to see which will likely be more prosperous in the long run. The only way the American Empire seems to be able to succeed economically is by force and war which will backfire, continue winning more enemies, the chickens will come home to roost.

I looked at rough figures on this site to compare cost of living:

RestaurantsRussiaUnited StatesDifference
MarketsRussiaUnited States
TransportationRussiaUnited States
Utilities (Monthly)RussiaUnited States
Sports And LeisureRussiaUnited States
ChildcareRussiaUnited States
Clothing And ShoesRussiaUnited States
Rent Per MonthRussiaUnited States
Buy Apartment PriceRussiaUnited States
Salaries And FinancingRussiaUnited States
Meal, Inexpensive Restaurant600.00 руб
(8.34 $)
1,079.23 руб
(15.00 $)
+79.87 %
Meal for 2 People, Mid-range Restaurant, Three-course2,500.00 руб
(34.75 $)
4,316.94 руб
(60.00 $)
+72.68 %
McMeal at McDonalds (or Equivalent Combo Meal)300.00 руб
(4.17 $)
575.59 руб
(8.00 $)
+91.86 %
Domestic Beer (1 pint draught)150.00 руб
(2.08 $)
359.75 руб
(5.00 $)
+139.83 %
Imported Beer (12 oz small bottle)200.00 руб
(2.78 $)
431.69 руб
(6.00 $)
+115.85 %
Cappuccino (regular)139.10 руб
(1.93 $)
308.89 руб
(4.29 $)
+122.06 %
Coke/Pepsi (12 oz small bottle)56.56 руб
(0.79 $)
137.20 руб
(1.91 $)
+142.56 %
Water (12 oz small bottle)34.12 руб
(0.47 $)
110.77 руб
(1.54 $)
+224.68 %
Milk (regular), (1 gallon)249.34 руб
(3.47 $)
232.94 руб
(3.24 $)
-6.58 %
Loaf of Fresh White Bread (1 lb)36.81 руб
(0.51 $)
178.36 руб
(2.48 $)
+384.54 %
Rice (white), (1 lb)37.00 руб
(0.51 $)
129.94 руб
(1.81 $)
+251.20 %
Eggs (regular) (12)93.14 руб
(1.29 $)
165.59 руб
(2.30 $)
+77.79 %
Local Cheese (1 lb)272.75 руб
(3.79 $)
361.92 руб
(5.03 $)
+32.69 %
Chicken Fillets (1 lb)126.14 руб
(1.75 $)
300.30 руб
(4.17 $)
+138.07 %
Beef Round (1 lb) (or Equivalent Back Leg Red Meat)233.66 руб
(3.25 $)
412.01 руб
(5.73 $)
+76.33 %
Apples (1 lb)48.25 руб
(0.67 $)
147.71 руб
(2.05 $)
+206.17 %
Banana (1 lb)32.83 руб
(0.46 $)
50.83 руб
(0.71 $)
+54.83 %
Oranges (1 lb)47.00 руб
(0.65 $)
129.45 руб
(1.80 $)
+175.41 %
Tomato (1 lb)72.74 руб
(1.01 $)
139.33 руб
(1.94 $)
+91.55 %
Potato (1 lb)17.34 руб
(0.24 $)
84.27 руб
(1.17 $)
+385.98 %
Onion (1 lb)15.09 руб
(0.21 $)
84.68 руб
(1.18 $)
+461.31 %
Lettuce (1 head)73.21 руб
(1.02 $)
118.07 руб
(1.64 $)
+61.29 %
Water (1.5 liter bottle)39.48 руб
(0.55 $)
129.90 руб
(1.81 $)
+229.01 %
Bottle of Wine (Mid-Range)500.00 руб
(6.95 $)
863.39 руб
(12.00 $)
+72.68 %
Domestic Beer (0.5 liter bottle)63.47 руб
(0.88 $)
176.17 руб
(2.45 $)
+177.54 %
Imported Beer (12 oz small bottle)121.21 руб
(1.68 $)
203.48 руб
(2.83 $)
+67.87 %
Cigarettes 20 Pack (Marlboro)170.00 руб
(2.36 $)
575.59 руб
(8.00 $)
+238.58 %
One-way Ticket (Local Transport)35.00 руб
(0.49 $)
161.89 руб
(2.25 $)
+362.53 %
Monthly Pass (Regular Price)2,170.00 руб
(30.16 $)
4,676.69 руб
(65.00 $)
+115.52 %
Taxi Start (Normal Tariff)100.00 руб
(1.39 $)
233.83 руб
(3.25 $)
+133.83 %
Taxi 1 mile (Normal Tariff)27.36 руб
(0.38 $)
187.07 руб
(2.60 $)
+583.76 %
Taxi 1hour Waiting (Normal Tariff)348.49 руб
(4.84 $)
2,158.47 руб
(30.00 $)
+519.38 %
Gasoline (1 gallon)180.70 руб
(2.51 $)
187.91 руб
(2.61 $)
+3.99 %
Volkswagen Golf 1.4 90 KW Trendline (Or Equivalent New Car)1,429,900.00 руб
(19,873.80 $)
1,654,827.00 руб
(23,000.00 $)
+15.73 %
Toyota Corolla Sedan 1.6l 97kW Comfort (Or Equivalent New Car)1,578,494.99 руб
(21,939.08 $)
1,555,748.37 руб
(21,622.93 $)
-1.44 %
Basic (Electricity, Heating, Cooling, Water, Garbage) for 915 sq ft Apartment7,878.65 руб
(109.50 $)
11,860.55 руб
(164.85 $)
+50.54 %
1 min. of Prepaid Mobile Tariff Local (No Discounts or Plans)1.98 руб
(0.03 $)
10.01 руб
(0.14 $)
+405.83 %
Internet (60 Mbps or More, Unlimited Data, Cable/ADSL)490.96 руб
(6.82 $)
4,734.65 руб
(65.81 $)
+864.37 %
Fitness Club, Monthly Fee for 1 Adult2,512.63 руб
(34.92 $)
2,666.90 руб
(37.07 $)
+6.14 %
Tennis Court Rent (1 Hour on Weekend)1,281.47 руб
(17.81 $)
1,128.60 руб
(15.69 $)
-11.93 %
Cinema, International Release, 1 Seat350.00 руб
(4.86 $)
863.39 руб
(12.00 $)
+146.68 %
Preschool (or Kindergarten), Full Day, Private, Monthly for 1 Child21,894.87 руб
(304.31 $)
67,355.41 руб
(936.15 $)
+207.63 %
International Primary School, Yearly for 1 Child420,029.33 руб
(5,837.88 $)
1,120,261.08 руб
(15,570.21 $)
+166.71 %
1 Pair of Jeans (Levis 501 Or Similar)5,377.77 руб
(74.74 $)
3,160.65 руб
(43.93 $)
-41.23 %
1 Summer Dress in a Chain Store (Zara, H&M, ...)3,014.25 руб
(41.89 $)
2,554.65 руб
(35.51 $)
-15.25 %
1 Pair of Nike Running Shoes (Mid-Range)5,602.96 руб
(77.87 $)
5,471.54 руб
(76.05 $)
-2.35 %
1 Pair of Men Leather Business Shoes6,952.66 руб
(96.63 $)
6,925.25 руб
(96.25 $)
-0.39 %
Apartment (1 bedroom) in City Centre37,174.95 руб
(516.68 $)
96,299.35 руб
(1,338.44 $)
+159.04 %
Apartment (1 bedroom) Outside of Centre24,202.35 руб
(336.38 $)
77,928.13 руб
(1,083.10 $)
+221.99 %
Apartment (3 bedrooms) in City Centre68,963.98 руб
(958.51 $)
154,903.09 руб
(2,152.96 $)
+124.61 %
Apartment (3 bedrooms) Outside of Centre42,534.80 руб
(591.18 $)
125,236.78 руб
(1,740.63 $)
+194.43 %
Price per Square Feet to Buy Apartment in City Centre15,888.32 руб
(220.83 $)
23,968.00 руб
(333.12 $)
+50.85 %
Price per Square Feet to Buy Apartment Outside of Centre10,449.89 руб
(145.24 $)
14,329.03 руб
(199.16 $)
+37.12 %
Average Monthly Net Salary (After Tax)46,835.07 руб
(650.95 $)
255,926.63 руб
(3,557.06 $)
+446.44 %
Mortgage Interest Rate in Percentages (%), Yearly, for 20 Years Fixed-Rate9.814.03 -58.90 %
Last update:June 2021June 2021
Contributors in the past 12 months:154613428
So if these figures are ballpark accurate, Russia has cheaper cost of living, albeit lower average purchasing power, so the quality of life for average Russian seems to be higher than average American.

Used this site as a reference for the figures:
Cost Of Living Comparison Between Russia And United States

One can only wonder if the reason Russians enjoy a lower cost of living is largely due to the difference in policies between the two countries.
Russia puzzles me.

Is it merely the Cyrillic alter ego of the United States. Another smoke and mirror puppet government run by Zionists? After all, a lot of the big money is Jewish there. Even after a lot of Jews emigrated to Israel and to other countries in the Jewish diaspora.

Can Putin be just as easily assassinated as a US president? Is that not happening because, like Trump, Putin is playing his part?

Unlike China, Putin allows the Zionist social media of the West - FB, Google, Twitter - carte blanche access to the minds and hearts of Russian citizens. In the era of color revolutions and 4th (or is it 5th) generation warfare, why give Zion an open field to invade?
Well, there are Russian Jews, of course, but I haven't heard of Zionism being a popular thing in Russia, but I could be wrong. I am not Russian so my perspective is limited. I suppose you could say it's two different approaches. The Russian goverment's approach is free flowing information, respecting the ability of the population to filter out the foreign propaganda for themselves. Whereas the Chinese government's way seems to be to inherently distrust the ability of its own citizens to understand and interpret the propaganda coming from the West, therefore requiring of them a firewall banning access to certain Western sites. Of course, I'm not sure really what approach works best pragmatically in term of "information warfare", but I can tell you I would prefer living in the society where the government respects my own ability to navigate myself through the information waters. To be fair, I don't want to pretend they don't both have their own propaganda machines, but it would be a tall order to compare them to the biggest propaganda machine of the US Empire.
 
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That makes sense to me. Perhaps it is like you say, just beyond Putin's means at the moment to turn the tide against all the economic policies of Yeltsin and other presidents before Putin. As an outsider, it seems like things will be better in Russia long-term, than they are in say, the US, economically and quality of life wise if we were to compare, in fact perhaps they already may be higher for all I know.
I looked at rough figures on this site to compare:


So if these figures are ballpark accurate, Russia has cheaper cost of living, lower average purchasing power, so the quality of life for average Russian seems to be higher than average American. Only there is a higher quality of life if you have a relatively high purchasing power in the US, in which case your higher cost of living would be less impactful.
Russia also has a lower mean wage than India. So what does lower cost of living mean in light of that fact?

Quality of live higher than for an American? I highly doubt that.

Used this site as a reference for the figures:
Cost Of Living Comparison Between Russia And United States



Also, if the central bank of Russia answers to the US federal reserve bank, perhaps it puts these decisions under significant economic pressure from the West, but fortunately, Russia seems to be continuing to gain independence from these economic handcuffs. Contrast the Russian government's approach of alliance and trade building with the largely war-mongering and sanctions-issuing American Empire, it doesn't take a crystal ball to see which will likely be more prosperous in the long run. The only way the American Empire seems to be able to succeed economically is by force and war which will backfire, continue winning more enemies, the chickens will come home to roost.

Russia's Central Bank answers to the Rothschilds. And the Central Bank of Russia and its member banks are mainly staffed by "former" Gosbank members—that is, Soviet Union bank members. Nothing has changed except names and colours of the flag.
 

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Well, there are Russian Jews, of course, but I haven't heard of Zionism being a popular thing in Russia, but I could be wrong. I am not Russian so my perspective is limited. I suppose you could say it's two different approaches. The Russian goverment's approach is free flowing information, respecting the ability of the population to filter out the foreign propaganda for themselves. Whereas the Chinese government's way seems to be to inherently distrust the ability of its own citizens to understand and interpret the propaganda coming from the West, therefore requiring of them a firewall banning access to certain Western sites. Of course, I'm not sure really what approach works best pragmatically in term of "information warfare", but I can tell you I would prefer living in the society where the government respects my own ability to navigate myself through the information waters.
This is the trade-off though. Freedom for citizens to decide what's best for them vs. the Risk of that freedom being used by the CIA to foment anarchy and the overthrow of a government elected by the people.

Looking back at just recent history, you can see the skeletons and carcasses of many democratically elected states that have gone down the path of despair instead of the path of progress. Iran in 1956 wherein the democratically elected president Mossadegh was overthrown and in his place Shah Reza Pahlavi was installed as a puppet of the CIA and the MI6, because he threatened the interests of British Petroleum by nationalization of oil production.
 

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That makes sense to me. Perhaps it is like you say, just beyond Putin's means at the moment to turn the tide against all the economic policies of Yeltsin and other presidents before Putin. As an outsider, it seems like things will be better in Russia long-term, than they are in say, the US, economically and quality of life wise if we were to compare, in fact perhaps they already may be higher for all I know.

Also, if the central bank of Russia answers to the US federal reserve bank, perhaps it puts these decisions under significant economic pressure from the West, but fortunately, Russia seems to be continuing to gain independence from these economic handcuffs. Contrast the Russian government's approach of alliance and trade building with the largely war-mongering and sanctions-issuing American Empire, it doesn't take a crystal ball to see which will likely be more prosperous in the long run. The only way the American Empire seems to be able to succeed economically is by force and war which will backfire, continue winning more enemies, the chickens will come home to roost.

I looked at rough figures on this site to compare cost of living:


So if these figures are ballpark accurate, Russia has cheaper cost of living, albeit lower average purchasing power, so the quality of life for average Russian seems to be higher than average American.

Used this site as a reference for the figures:
Cost Of Living Comparison Between Russia And United States

One can only wonder if the reason Russians enjoy a lower cost of living is largely due to the difference in policies between the two countries.

Well, there are Russian Jews, of course, but I haven't heard of Zionism being a popular thing in Russia, but I could be wrong.
Russia and the Eastern Bloc were the deciding factor in the U.N. Partition Plan of Palestine which led to the creation of Israel in 1948. The Balfour Declaration became a NON FACTOR in this vote. The British actually abstained from the vote. Therefore, it wasn't the British or Americans but the Russians and their satellites that were mainly responsible for the Zionist state of Israel. Yet, the Jewish-owned Russian media, like RT, pretend that Zionism is a Western creation. They are liars.
 

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I don’t have the answer, but I know that in 1990’s Russia got heavily involved in all sorts of global economic institutions to “please” the so called west. One of them is central bank of Russia, which doesn’t answer to Russian government, but to US federal reserve bank, when you get down to it. My thinking is, Putin is trying to at least diminish this dependency if not stop it. But he might not have enough power and tools to do that.
 

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Yeltsin was part of the staged "August Coup", which created the perception that communism was falling and hardliner Soviets were fighting to keep it alive (none of the alleged coup plotters were imprisoned for any significant length of time or punished). The entire thing was staged strictly for Western consumption. The Soviet system has not collapsed. It simply shapeshifted. The West never verified this alleged collapse because Western leaders were complicit in this hoax. Regan, Bush, Clinton, Trump—all Soviet collaborators guilty of high treason.
 

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its hard to judge the quality of life of america vs russia because russias weak economy is largely because of Americas control of the global financial system and sanctions. Its the same with USSR, venezuala, Iran, Cuba, etc. Everyone likes to point out how bad the economies of those countries are because they dont have "free market" capitalism, but the thing is if America didn't block them from global trade than their economies would be thriving.
 

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its hard to judge the quality of life of america vs russia because russias weak economy is largely because of Americas control of the global financial system and sanctions. Its the same with USSR, venezuala, Iran, Cuba, etc. Everyone likes to point out how bad the economies of those countries are because they dont have "free market" capitalism, but the thing is if America didn't block them from global trade than their economies would be thriving.
Imagine if we didnt have to trade with other countries. Is that the end of the world? I actually think not.

Imagine if earth were just a planet among many planets in a galactic trading system. And earthers thought 'what if we stopped trading with other planets and be self-sifficient? "

Would that be as crazy an idea?
 

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its hard to judge the quality of life of america vs russia because russias weak economy is largely because of Americas control of the global financial system and sanctions. Its the same with USSR, venezuala, Iran, Cuba, etc. Everyone likes to point out how bad the economies of those countries are because they dont have "free market" capitalism, but the thing is if America didn't block them from global trade than their economies would be thriving.
Venezuela is an absolute socialist hell hole and not because of any American sanctions, "imperialism", or whatever. it is a ***t hole because of socialism and the communist oligarchs reaping all the profits, like in Cuba and Russia.

Blaming the West for all your problems is a tired, old canard that just doesn't have the same effect that it used to. Sure, it may impress millennials, but those of old enough to remember, it doesn't fly. That's one of the reasons they are using the Plandemic—to get rid of those with working memories.
 
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Venezuela is an absolute socialist hell hole and not because of any American sanctions, "imperialism", or whatever. it is a ***t hole because of socialism and the communist oligarchs reaping all the profits, like in Cuba and Russia.

Blaming the West for all your problems is a tired, old canard that just doesn't have the same effect that it used to. Sure, it may impress millennials, but those of old enough to remember, it doesn't fly. That's one of the reasons they are using the Plandemic—to get rid of those with working memories.
its a bit ironic you say "blaming the west for all your problems is a tired, old canard that just doesn't have the same effect that it used to" when your blaming all of russias problems on Jews, the most stereotypical source to blame throughout history.

Venezuala definitely has corruption, but corruption is a symptom of economic decline which happens when the US cuts you off from global trades, does navy blockades so you cant ship in any resources, funds opposition movements and attempts coups on your government.
 

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Venezuela is an absolute socialist hell hole and not because of any American sanctions, "imperialism", or whatever. it is a ***t hole because of socialism and the communist oligarchs reaping all the profits, like in Cuba and Russia.
I used to believe this.

Not anymore. I dont trust media anymore. Thar came from mainstream media. I question many things now more than ever.

The election and the plandemic has removed any doubt left in me that we are but lab rats fed morsels of PUFA and prodded by carrots and sticks.
 

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I used to believe this.

Not anymore. I dont trust media anymore. Thar came from mainstream media. I question many things now more than ever.

The election and the plandemic has removed any doubt left in me that we are but lab rats fed morsels of PUFA and prodded by carrots and sticks.
I don't rely on the media for my knowledge of communist countries like Venezuela. I rely on my experience living there. Just because the MSM says so doesn't mean it's not true. The MSM does tell some truth. The alt media tells lies as well as the MSM, so both are questionable.

Having lived in Venezuela, the MSM is not telling you had bad it is there. It's actually worse than they are saying. Venezuela is a satellite of Russia, much like all the others, Cuba, Hungary, Serbia, etc. It's complete mob rule and poverty, just like Russia. That's how communism works. It's mob rule. F- everyone else. The leaders and "parliamentarians" of these countries are mostly gangsters. They even look like gangsters (think Ramzan Kadyrov in Chechnya).
 
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This is the trade-off though. Freedom for citizens to decide what's best for them vs. the Risk of that freedom being used by the CIA to foment anarchy and the overthrow of a government elected by the people.

Looking back at just recent history, you can see the skeletons and carcasses of many democratically elected states that have gone down the path of despair instead of the path of progress. Iran in 1956 wherein the democratically elected president Mossadegh was overthrown and in his place Shah Reza Pahlavi was installed as a puppet of the CIA and the MI6, because he threatened the interests of British Petroleum by nationalization of oil production.
Yeah, it's complicated I suppose. I certainly can see the rationale for having a firewall like China does, I just don't know if I'd necessarily enjoy living in that sort of environment. Of course, if I was a Chinese born man my answer might be different.
 
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