What's The Best Neurosteroid For Confidence, Anxiolysis, And Socializiation?

What neurosteroid is best for me?

  • 5a-dhp

  • Pregnenolone

  • Pregnenolone w/ low dose DHEA

  • Pregnenolone w/ progesterone

  • DHEA (w/ an AI?)

  • Androsterone

  • Other


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KyleKingsly

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My first choice right now is 5a-DHP. I've been reading a ton of people's posts about 5a-dhp and I think it sounds absolutely fascinating! I don't have pfs or anything but I do struggle a lot with anxiety so I'm really interested in sustainably boosting hormones like DHT and test and also agonizing GABA to hopefully help. 5a-dhp seems like the best sustainable option I've come across by far after doing hours and hours of research on this topic.

Do y'all think 5a-dhp is pretty safe to use in low doses despite the possible breast cancer risk? The way I've heard it compared to Xanax makes it sound like a magic bullet for me (even tho I've never tried Xanax) but I do want to be careful and not take any uncalculated risks.

I'm also considering pregnenolone with maybe a very low dose of DHEA and/or progesterone but 5-dhp looks more sustainable than DHEA and/or progesterone because it has a positive rather than negative feedback loop.

I'm very young (just turned 21) so I'm very wary of DHEA because I've heard it aromatizes easily and could isn't really recommend for young guys. (I'm considering using some AIs such as DIM but don't want to take those for too long since I believe they can lead to a compensatory response/withdrawal long term).

And I understand that progesterone can be feminizing so I'm very wary of it, even in low doses.

I thought androsterone sounded fascinating until I read a lot of anecdotal reports about how it made guys hostile and aggressive. The main reason I'm interested in neurosteroids is to be confident/playful with women but I do value my bro relationships too and don't want to compromise those. Especially because I'm not good at being assertive and standing up for myself when faced with hostility.



Overall, I thought 5a-dhp sounded perfect (despite the breast cancer worries) because it does everything I want and is best at raising allopregnanolone, which can tends to be low in people that have anxiety. I have a ton of social anxiety and tend to avoid a lot less social than I know I could be because I get awkward and uncomfortable in high pressure environments, such as talking to attractive women.

So the pro-social, anxiolytic, rewarding effects of allopregnanolone sound absolutely perfect for me. I know that allopregnanolone can quickly build tolerance according to some user reports but I'd be fine with only using it once or twice a week on the weekends before I go out.

Thanks in advance for any and all suggestions/feedback :)
 
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Progesterone is my favorite steroid for those purposes (pro-social, confidence).|
Socializing goes very easy and feels very natural.
I haven't tried 5a-DHP yet, maybe it's even better.
 

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Eating enough calories/big meals, having a solid weight lifting regimen and big muscles, nofap all improve confidence.
If everyone just started with only doing that, nobody would need any hormones probably. And they would see massive benefits quickly. Within weeks.
 
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Easy come, easy go. Shortcuts don't last. Anxiety is due to excess estrogen relative to progesterone and androgens coupled with high glutamate/low GABA. But to answer your question, something progesterone-based would probably be best.
 

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How is your digestion and what is your diet like? Do you have any physical activity (like walking 1-2 hours everyday)? When my digestion is good everything fits into place.
 

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Eating enough calories/big meals, having a solid weight lifting regimen and big muscles, nofap all improve confidence.
Yes people really underestimate high calories + working out. Increasing caloric intake has had the most androgenic effect on me by far and I've tried a whole lot of things.
 

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If everyone just started with only doing that, nobody would need any hormones probably. And they would see massive benefits quickly. Within weeks.

Why should they, it's so much easier popping hormones and feeling high for a short period of time then fall back into a deep hole again. This forum encourages this behaviour greatly.

Working out every other day with an intense but short weight lifting session and curbing down their hypersexuality requires a lot of effort, knowledge and discipline.
 
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I would stay away from pregnenolone or progesterone or anything that can turn into anything else that can antagonize DHT or turn into estrogen in any shape way or form.

DHT itself or some of the ketosteroids would probably be what you need. Or just plain testo will upregulate most of those neurosteroids that do what you want.
 

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Yes people really underestimate high calories + working out. Increasing caloric intake has had the most androgenic effect on me by far and I've tried a whole lot of things.
How much calories do you eat now? I find it hard to eat much beyond 1kcal per meal, do you add smaller meals?
 

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I would stay away from pregnenolone or progesterone or anything that can turn into anything else that can antagonize DHT or turn into estrogen in any shape way or form.

DHT itself or some of the ketosteroids would probably be what you need. Or just plain testo will upregulate most of those neurosteroids that do what you want.

If anything then bio identical DHT not 11-keto-DHT, androsterone or any other inferior substitute. Yes I tried all of them.
 

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Why should they, it's so much easier popping hormones and feeling high for a short period of time then fall back into a deep hole again. This forum encourages this behaviour greatly.

Working out every other day with an intense but short weight lifting session and curbing down their hypersexuality requires a lot of effort, knowledge and discipline.
I agree, just taking progesterone, DHT, thyroid or other supplement without fixing your metabolism with food first doesn't fix anything long-term.
But these supplements can definitely help to take your health to the next level, once your diet is optimized.
 

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Eating enough calories/big meals, having a solid weight lifting regimen and big muscles, nofap all improve confidence.

Yes people really underestimate high calories + working out. Increasing caloric intake has had the most androgenic effect on me by far and I've tried a whole lot of things.
This might work if you're underfed, but overweight people easily get large amounts of endotoxin from consuming high amounts of carbs and fats at once, probably due to their microbiota being out of wack. different advice applies to different people, I wish people weren't so quick to recommend what worked for them without taking the individual's unique state into account.
 

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If anything then bio identical DHT not 11-keto-DHT, androsterone or any other inferior substitute. Yes I tried all of them.

You're saying that DHT was good for you, but not 11-keto DHT or androsterone?
 

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This might work if you're underfed, but overweight people easily get large amounts of endotoxin from consuming high amounts of carbs and fats at once, probably due to their microbiota being out of wack. different advice applies to different people, I wish people weren't so quick to recommend what worked for them without taking the individual's unique state into account.

Let's get this straight, you're not happy that I suggested "eating big and working out" as a way to improve health, but you're okay with the experimental research chemicals and downstream hormone products some people buy from random Russian/Chinese websites as a way to improve health?
 

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Let's get this straight, you're not happy that I suggested "eating big and working out" as a way to improve health, but you're okay with the experimental research chemicals and downstream hormone products some people buy from random Russian/Chinese websites as a way to improve health?
I don't recommend exogenous hormones either, sorry for the misunderstanding. I think anxiety and hormonal disorders are largely improved by improving diet and lifestyle. This starts by removing addictive behaviors (which mess with your dopamine regulation and subsequent hormonal cycles) and implementing healthy factors, like daily low intensity exercise, occasional high intensity exercise, sun exposure, meaningful social interactions, regular sleeping schedule, anxiety lowering exercises (deep breathing, mindfulness, etc.) and working toward short term and long term goal, while eliminating bad (addictive) habits like binging on junk food or excessive media consumption (social media/internet/videogames/porn/etc.).
I know many "peaters" wouldn't agree, but I think frequent snacking and high sugar intake are troublesome for most people because of how rewarding they are (and therefore messing with dopamine regulation/reward mechanisms), not to mention the negative effect they have on insulin sensitivity, gut flora and excessive energy intake.
If people are struggling with fixing their lifestyle, certain supplements that improve dopamine regulation (and therefore energy/motivation) and lower stress can be used, as they facilitate healthy decisions and help to abstain from unhealthy ones. Herbs like Ashwagandha are pretty promising in this regard, and incidentally have pretty strong anti-anxiety/anti-cortisol effects.
 

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I don't recommend exogenous hormones either, sorry for the misunderstanding. I think anxiety and hormonal disorders are largely improved by improving diet and lifestyle. This starts by removing addictive behaviors (which mess with your dopamine regulation and subsequent hormonal cycles) and implementing healthy factors, like daily low intensity exercise, occasional high intensity exercise, sun exposure, meaningful social interactions, regular sleeping schedule, anxiety lowering exercises (deep breathing, mindfulness, etc.) and working toward short term and long term goal, while eliminating bad (addictive) habits like binging on junk food or excessive media consumption (social media/internet/videogames/porn/etc.).
I know many "peaters" wouldn't agree, but I think frequent snacking and high sugar intake are troublesome for most people because of how rewarding they are (and therefore messing with dopamine regulation/reward mechanisms), not to mention the negative effect they have on insulin sensitivity, gut flora and excessive energy intake.
If people are struggling with fixing their lifestyle, certain supplements that improve dopamine regulation (and therefore energy/motivation) and lower stress can be used, as they facilitate healthy decisions and help to abstain from unhealthy ones. Herbs like Ashwagandha are pretty promising in this regard, and incidentally have pretty strong anti-anxiety/anti-cortisol effects.

I completely agree with everything you said (apart from the ashwagandha because I've no experience with it)
 

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I don't recommend exogenous hormones either, sorry for the misunderstanding. I think anxiety and hormonal disorders are largely improved by improving diet and lifestyle. This starts by removing addictive behaviors (which mess with your dopamine regulation and subsequent hormonal cycles) and implementing healthy factors, like daily low intensity exercise, occasional high intensity exercise, sun exposure, meaningful social interactions, regular sleeping schedule, anxiety lowering exercises (deep breathing, mindfulness, etc.) and working toward short term and long term goal, while eliminating bad (addictive) habits like binging on junk food or excessive media consumption (social media/internet/videogames/porn/etc.).
I know many "peaters" wouldn't agree, but I think frequent snacking and high sugar intake are troublesome for most people because of how rewarding they are (and therefore messing with dopamine regulation/reward mechanisms), not to mention the negative effect they have on insulin sensitivity, gut flora and excessive energy intake.
If people are struggling with fixing their lifestyle, certain supplements that improve dopamine regulation (and therefore energy/motivation) and lower stress can be used, as they facilitate healthy decisions and help to abstain from unhealthy ones. Herbs like Ashwagandha are pretty promising in this regard, and incidentally have pretty strong anti-anxiety/anti-cortisol effects.
What's wrong with indulging in pleasant foods or activities? There's a reason why your body craves certain foods or activities, they reduce stress or are fun.
Activities which stimulate dopamine are good, as opposed to activities which stimulate serotonin.
I don't find sugar or frequent snacking rewarding at all. I've got a bottle of coke in front me right now and have no interest in drinking it.
Sugar is only addictive if you have restricted it in the past, your body wants it badly at this point.
 

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What's wrong with indulging in pleasant foods or activities? There's a reason why your body craves certain foods or activities, they reduce stress or are fun.
Activities which stimulate dopamine are good, as opposed to activities which stimulate serotonin.
I don't find sugar or frequent snacking rewarding at all. I've got a bottle of coke in front me right now and have no interest in drinking it.
Sugar is only addictive if you have restricted it in the past, your body wants it badly at this point.
It's my experience that indulging in highly rewarding activities too often has a negative influence on energy/motivation, especially if you are already struggling with inadequate energy/motivation. They might reduce stress in the short term, which would explain the cravings but their effects are so strong that they downregulate dopamine receptors and chronically increase stress, forcing you increase dosage and frequency to maintain effect, which I wouldn't advise.
 
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