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What's Next After PANSTERONE + ANDROSTERONE ?

Discussion in 'Supplements, Pharmaceutical Drugs' started by andrei, Dec 14, 2018.

  1. andrei

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    Hey everyone! Hope u're all well.

    Pansterone and androsterone are some powerful things, no doubt about it. Everything goes up: ambition, desire, hope, muscle size.

    I am not a bodybuilder and I am not obsessed with physique development. I am obsessed though with life performance. I.e. striving for the best, taking risks, working hard.

    Coincidentally, the hormones that respond for muscle building (like bodybuilders use), are also responsible for this traits that especially men want (ambition, drive etc.)

    I've doing 5mg of these substances (pan + andro). What's next?
    In other words, I want to step into testosterone or TRT, at very low doses.
    I just want that next level of what these two are giving me. I take the fat solubles besides them, especially K2 at 7.5 mg daily.
    Diet is good: potatoes, oj, greek yogurt, beef, coffee. very simple.

    Suggestions?
     
  2. theLaw

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    I don’t think you need to mess with steroids to accomplish these goals of yours, certainly not further than that combo you listed.

    Perhaps some lifestyle, behavioral, and psychological shifts would be useful
     
  4. olive

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    If you do decide to start hormone replacement therapy consider nandrolone as a viable alternative to testosterone.
     
  5. Mauritio

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    You could try some exemestane. It metabolizes into a steroid , but has no danger of aromatisation since its and aromatase inhibitor but boots test for about 60%.
     
  6. johnwester130

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    Mega dosing gelatine.

    About 75g a day.
     
  7. BGZ

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    Do not mess with your hormones, especially the ones that shut you down. And all anabolic steroids do after a few days to weeks depending on the type. The worst ones are the progestins, nandrolone and trenbolone. Trying to be temporary enhanced will eventually damage you for life, how long it takes is different for everybody. I experienced zero problems the first 10 years, then all of a sudden something changed. Sexdrive is at 50% of what it used to be and cialis is a daily routine 5 mg a day. This has not changed since then and its almost 10 years ago.
     
  8. Douglas Ek

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    Instead of boosting androgens might focus on reducing the bad hormones like estrogen, cortisol, serotonin and prolactin. Pan and andro already does this to a certain degree but theres more powerful choices.
    Like someone said exemestane is great for lowering estrogen without most side effects other AI tend to have. Also raises testosterone. 6-keto progesterone for cortisol inhibition without other progesterone side effects, cyphroheptadine / metergoline for serotonin and prolactin inhibition. All of this would boost muscle gains, test level and dopamine by a lot i suspect you would feel fantastic
     
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    Why? Did blood tests show an increase in testosterone and lowered estrogen or was it perceived sense of positive outcomes?
     
  10. Andman

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    yeah ive heard about the infamous deca-**** far too many times now. just out of curiosity, is it „only“ libido that doesnt seem to come back or are there more problems?
     
  11. johnwester130

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    i haven't tested them

    I just reccomended it as the next thing to do
     
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    What was your experience from Mega-dosing gelatin? I find that if I take too much I get the beginning of kidney stones probably from the increase in Uric acid. I do think it helped with weight loss though.
     
  13. johnwester130

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    This can happen.

    Perhaps b6 reduces that possibility.

    I have felt less anxiety. My digestion is smoother too.
     
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