What's behind the lab grown meat craze?

[tara]

Ray Peat didn't learn about the harmful effects of radiation/ PUFA/ estrogen/ serotonin/ neo- darwinism/ genetic determinism in college.

AIUI, Ray Peat tends to base his views on science. He learned a good deal by reading scientific papers, and some from his own studies and direct observations. I don't think he just decides that if something is mainstream it must be wrong. I doubt that many people who read the science believe that radiation is harmless. Experts have a range of views about serotonin - in some countries, SSREs are apparently prescribed (where I am, SSRIs are more common).

If you don't think having an understanding of a field is relevant to well-founded views, then there is probably limited scope for discussion.

 

[tara]

James Ranch Goes Beyond regenerative

Looks like some good principles being applied there.

 

[tara]

Bill Gates: America’s Top Farmland Owner | The Land Report​

The co-founder of Microsoft and his wife make an auspicious debut on the 2020 LAND REPORT 100, as America’s largest private farmland owners.

landreport.com

I'd be concerned about this level of concentration of landholding.

 

[BRMarshall]

I'd be concerned about this level of concentration of landholding.

Yes these are the folks that want to destroy the cow, grow it in a lab instead....all for the environment....get your shot and die is the attitude.

 

[LA]

It can be done better but still meat is best nutrition for men.

yes that is what all those who built countries, roads houses used for centuries and what China and the Taliban and those type of strong people will use to keep strong

 

[LA]

I am really wondering what this lab grown meat story is about. This post is not offering answers. It looks like it's not about ensuring the food supply.

When Bill Gates says the rich countries should be eating '100% synthetic beef' he means we should get used to vegan fake beef.

The cell-cultured stuff is not economical, and it can't be scaled up to a point where you could feed a population. The thought of eating it is disgusting. So why do people invest in that technology? What for?

When you start researching the topic you have to muddle through a lot of propaganda. They say for example that you need 15,000 l water to produce a kilogram of beef, but most of the time they do not mention that 95% is for the plants the cows eat. 15,000 l is approximately the amount of rain that falls on 20 square meter per year. It's not the same as using 15,000 l tap water. They talk about land use, but do not mention that at least half of that land can't be used as cropland. And then those bogus climate change arguments.

Here are two articles that are worth reading if you want to know more about cultured meat.

Cultured Meat Will Not Be Realistic Anytime Soon: The Numbers Behind the Hype

"The main problem with cells is that they don’t scale well outside of organisms. It’s easy to grow cattle, you just feed them. In cells, once you try to move from a petri plate to a 1 liter bioreactor to a 100 liter bioreactor to a 1,000 liter bioreactor things become exponentially more difficult each step. Making lots of meat cells is so much harder than making just a little meat cells."

"Cultured Meat Needs Antibiotics -- Yeah, remember when people told you that these cells are antibiotic and growth horomone free, weeelllll they lied."

"Cultured Meat is Not Vegan -- To grow the cells at more than a snail’s pace you need to use FBS. FBS is Fetal Bovine Serum, literally, the filtered non-red/white blood cell part of blood from fetal cows! This is pretty far from vegan. The reason fetal serum is used is because it contains all the growth factors that are needed and fetal cows don’t have all the immunological parts that would cause them to kill or inhibit the cells you are trying to grow."

Review: Analysis of the process and drivers for cellular meat production

"Traditionally stem cells are cultivated in a medium containing nutrients and foetal, or calf, bovine serum, and the precise composition of this serum is not defined (Burton et al., 2000). Attempts have been made to synthesise serum-free growth media from mushrooms, algae and plants, but there has been limited success with these synthetic growth media (Datar and Betti, 2010; Stephens et al., 2018). In vitro cell culture is usually conducted in an aseptic environment, due to risk of contamination which can result in bacterial contamination and cell death (Sanders, 2012; Phelan and May, 2015). Cellular meat production requires a preservative, such as sodium benzoate, added to the growth media, to protect the growing cells from yeast and fungus. Sodium benzoate is a common preservative added to processed meat products (Hoang and Vu, 2016). Furthermore, antibiotics are often added to the growth media of cells in long-term culture to prevent any infection from bacteria (Burton et al., 2000, Renzini et al., 2018, Stephens et al., 2018). Patents for industrial production of cell-based meat state that the process will be achieved without antibiotics (or hormones) (Van Eelen, 2007). It remains to be seen whether antibiotics, or anti-bacterials, will be routinely or occasionally required during muscle cell culture."

"Nutrients predicted to be in cell-based meat. In order for cell-based meat products to supplement meat from animals, they will need to either replicate or increase bio-availability and levels of the nutrients referred to earlier. [...] Vitamin B12 needs to be added to the culture medium in order for the cell-based meat to contain this vitamin. In general, the nutritional composition of the cellular meat will be dependent on the nutrients added to the growth medium during production, unless these can be added as fortifications to the product (see decision point 4 in Figure 3)."

"The resources used and GHGEs from production of 1 kg of ready-to-eat product have been modelled for comparison across dairy-protein, chicken meat, cell-based meat and other forms of protein, including traditional (soya, wheat) and novel forms (insect-protein, myco-protein) (Smetana et al., 2015). Cell-based meat production was predicted to require 2 to 10 times the amount of energy, vastly more tap water and have moderate-to-low requirements for transport (Table 1). The GHGEs from cell-based meat production were predicted to be much higher than for the other protein types by Smetana et al. (2015), but others predicted much lower GHGEs from cell-based meat, which were comparable to the levels for other protein production systems. Cell-based meat production also had much higher predicted non-renewable energy usage than the other protein production systems in the modelling of Smetana et al. (2015), and in this case, the comparisons across protein types by other authors were extremely variable."

"Alternatively, maybe the upscaling and costs of production and technology development will not be sufficient for the price to drop substantially, and this high-tech food will remain at best an exclusive gastronomic, molecular cuisine (Banis, 2018

In the interviews of Bill Gates on this subject he admits he still eats beef and implies he prefers it and acts like he is doing this venture for 'us' or the good of the world. I doubt if he will be giving up his hamburger.

 

[LA]

USDA gov definition of beef and meat

View it as a Web page

[0]Petitions Update

Petitions for the USDA Food Safety and Inspection Service.

[1]https://www.fsis.usda.gov/policy/petitions

is available. The following information has been posted:

* Petition Submitted by U.S. Cattlemen's Association
PDF: [2]https://www.fsis.usda.gov/sites/def...-Petition-US-Cattlement-Association020918.pdf

(Feb 9, 2018)
The petition requests that FSIS exclude products not derived directly from animals raised and slaughtered from the definition of “beef” and “meat.”

* FSIS Final Response
PDF:
[3]https://www.fsis.usda.gov/sites/default/files/media_file/2021-09/18-01-Final-Response-09162021.pdf

(Sep 16, 2021)
* Petition Submitted by Harvard Law School Animal Law and Policy Clinic
PDF:
[4]https://www.fsis.usda.gov/sites/default/files/media_file/2021-03/20-03-hls-06092020.pdf

(Jun 9, 2020)
The petition requests that FSIS adopt a labeling approach for “cell-based” meat and poultry products that respects First Amendment commercial speech protections.

* FSIS Final Response

PDF:
[5]https://www.fsis.usda.gov/sites/default/files/media_file/2021-09/20-03-Final-Response-09162021.pdf (Sep 16, 2021)

 

[Zsazsa]

 

[LA]

The evil elites are trying everything they can discover to kill all of us. Meanwhile according to various news reports Big Tech and also Musk sold out to China.

 

[Zsazsa]

This is real animal protein though