What would happen if i become totally socially and sexually celibate? also the idea of “relaxed manic” state in perpetuity

[Phosphor]

The "New World Order" is not based on love etc. It is based on government having the power to tell you what to do with your own body, like forcing you to allow them to inject whatever the heck they feel like, into you, tell you what "medical treatment" you MUST have, or inhibit your ability to do anything at all by controlling your access to those things that used to be individual businesses and which are now controlled by the same giant corporations that are putting the NWO into place. The "love etc" is a great big SCAM to get you to comply and swallow the blue pill as so many have done and WILL regret.
Yes, love your neighbor, but do it watchfully and carefully.

 

[Hayley]

hi,guilt and shame are common feelings peoples experience,they are negative feelings,peoples should feel as little as possible of these feeling for their well being,anything that cause you these feelings and decrease your well being long term should be avoided,including ideas from certains religions if that is what they make you feel,most peoples i have met that are christian/muslims do get more of these negative feelings from the ideas and claims of the religion they follow,so even if these feelings are already present for most peoples,islam/christianism tend to increase these feelings for most peoples i have met,and to prone these negative feelings as desirable.i personally dont feel these negative feelings,and i feel other positive feelings including empathy for others human beings most of days,so no,not feelings these negative feelings do not make you a sociopath.

if you feel bad after watching porn,thats the manifestation that in your very context its bad for you,these bad feelings can permit some persons to stop doing the things that caused it,you should not do things that make you feel these negative feelings if the long term well being benefit do not overcome the bad feelings,if you dont feel these negative feelings while doing certain acts such as "lusting",anyone that prone that its better for you to feel them,is bad for you,lust can feel great and be exempt of any negative feeling."lust is/was widely recognized as negative for a reason" you can still not feel it and not experience it negatively,and experience it postively,peoples perceiving something a certain way doesnt mean that you will or should experience it the same way.

a text on a paper pretending that,does not proove that it is a real phenomenon.even if i accept this phenomenon of negative correlation between "pre marital promiscuity and subsequent marital satisfaction",it doesnt mean that pre martial promiscuity is bad,marriage is not good in most cases in our modern days,marital satisfaction is not by it self a relevant metric of what is good or bad for you and or if pre marital promiscuity is good or bad for you

I like your last point, I can accept other people would have different metrics for what constitutes a good or bad life. But in terms of OP’s post, he was talking about feeing better without lust, and described his very lustful and “black pilled” time of his life as feeling bad. There’s a long history of philosophical and religious tradition that agrees with his feeling so I was trying to provide that outlook. If you are perfectly happy being an ubermensch completely under your own authority defining your own morals where you see fit then you do you, but even by using your own logic, if OP’s excessive lust is making him feel bad then that should be enough of an argument that it’s bad for him.

 

[Nomane Euger]

I like your last point, I can accept other people would have different metrics for what constitutes a good or bad life. But in terms of OP’s post, he was talking about feeing better without lust, and described his very lustful and “black pilled” time of his life as feeling bad. There’s a long history of philosophical and religious tradition that agrees with his feeling so I was trying to provide that outlook. If you are perfectly happy being an ubermensch completely under your own authority defining your own morals where you see fit then you do you, but even by using your own logic, if OP’s excessive lust is making him feel bad then that should be enough of an argument that it’s bad for him.

hi,most peoples do experience lust while being in a suboptimal state of well being,you can still experience some degree of lust and feel a certain degree of positives feelings and feel none of these negatives afflictions i talked about,thats why when someone condemn lust as being a sin,or something that necessary cause or should cause guiltiness,repentance,shame,and thats its disrespectfull to the persons you are lusting about,thats all false,and thats a ill speech.if the OP experience lust as desagreable physically and mentally,its bad for him,in a lot of cases,peoples can simultaneous experience a higher degree of lust and a worsening of their well being,so they are associated for a lot of peoples,lust in it self in not necessary causal of the worsening well being;if he doesnt enjoy lust,and he doesnt like how feel when he does manifest lust or a higher degree of lust,he should do something about it

 

[ecstatichamster]

Libido is fantastic. What a heady feeling.

 

[Morgan]

WHAT IS KAREZZA?
Karezza is a spiritual way of making love; basically it is a love meditation. This has many personal and relationship benefits but at present it has also the potential of transforming our society from a crumbling capitalist system based on greed to a new world order based on compassion and cooperation.

Karezza is a gentle, affectionate form of intercourse in which orgasm is not the goal, and ideally does not occur in either partner while making love. Karezza gained its name from Alice Bunker Stockham, MD at the end of the nineteenth century. She based the name on the Italian word carezza, meaning “caress.”

Stockham was initially inspired by the work of John Humphrey Noyes, who taught a concept he called, Male Continence, in which men opt to avoid ejaculation when conception is not desired. However, Stockham encouraged both partners to pass up orgasm, insisting that the practice is neither “male” nor “female.”

Although Stockham and, later, J. William Lloyd, MD both wrote books about Karezza (available free at this site), readers often observe that the descriptions of the actual practice seem vague. This is because technique is virtually immaterial. It’s a practice about not doing, about getting your goal-driven mammalian mating program out of the way long enough to fall into a state of relaxed union. It’s more of an experience than a practice. As a result, each couple has a slightly different tale to tell.

During a lengthy period of perfect control, the whole being of each is merged into the other, and an exquisite exaltation experienced. This may be accompanied by a quiet motion, entirely under subordination of the will, so that the thrill of passion for either may not go beyond a pleasurable exchange.

Our emphasis is on affection, and we stay well away from the edge of orgasm. If we sense ourselves slipping into performance mode while making love, we pull ourselves back into relaxation with deeper, longer breaths. This relaxes our abdominal breathing and reverses the increase in muscular tension and the urge to restrict breathing that coincide with the buildup to orgasm.​

Good post! I'm not sure if I would call the practice anything specific, but I think of it as the process of sublimating sexual energy into something romantic, intimate, and inspiring. I believe the hormones responsible for pair bonding probably sky rocket during this kind of intimate and affectionate love making, it definitely leaves me feeling very "high", or with a sense of peace. Slow, gentle, loving, and vulnerable anal sex under this kind of practice is a sensation that I feel words fail to describe. Cuddling and caressing while receiving a massage from heaven, the energy and desire you share between each other is maintained or channeled into something that seems conductive, I would definitely put it in the category of something that feels pro-metabolic.

 

[toolhead]

Hello @noodlecat, this is actually my first comment on this forum, and I have to say I really resonate with what you are saying. I think it’s difficult for a lot of people to understand what this state of mind feels like, because quite simply, there aren’t that many truly sensitive people on earth today. Which doesn’t at all make non sensitive other people “bad”. They are equally important out there in the world. This is not a discussion of morality which is weird to me that anyone started to talk about it from that point of view. Anyways, I couldn’t agree with you more in that I feel entirely better as a person with limited social interaction and for the the first time since I was a teenager (am now 32), I have basically no desire for sex or a relationship. I don’t enjoy shopping excessively anymore, and I pretty much keep to myself other than my close family like you said. These parts of life always sort of made me crazy and very unfocused and ungrounded in the past. Now, I am recovering from some pretty severe health issues, but I am almost thankful for the downfall, because it’s helped me to become extremely clear on what I do and do not want in my life, and also what takes me away from myself. It kind of sounds like what you are saying. For me, the best feeling in the world is being grounded, feeling vitality for the sake of vitality, not having that vitality and warmth need to “go” anywhere like sex or excessive socialization, or material longing. I guess the most wordly place it wants to go would be exercise but even then for me that means hiking in nature or riding my bike. I mentioned the sensitive person thing because all throughout history we have seen artistic types of souls gravitate towards living a lifestyle free of these things that other people really feel and value as important and a sign of health. It just goes to show we are all different and not everything comes down to “if your metabolism is good, you’ll be and act like ___________.” SO, right on to your loner lifestyle, which absolutely doesn’t mean lonely!!!!! You’re not “alone”, LOL.

Marry me please.

 

[toolhead]

You will regret this. Let’s stop glorifying being a loser and assign a higher meaning to inceldom and walking out of society. Such a defeatist mindset.
Do you realise how low are you on the dominance hierarchy to have this kind of thinking? You should be angry about it.

Your statements presume the backdrop of a healthy society to adapt oneself to. Do we have that in the U.S. today?

It is no measure of health to be well adjusted to a profoundly sick society.

— J. Krishnamurti

 

[toolhead]

Sounds like spiritual growth to me. Whether you choose to "ejaculate on purpose" really is your choice. I would think those with high T would have a big problem with this and (might) guess that your T is no longer driving you to it. Over the last two years of isolation, many of us became much more comfortable just being by ourselves; and if you can achieve peace in whatever way, go for it. I have been delighted that my social activities started up again, but for me those activities are nearly 100% playing in community musical groups where we all have known each other for many years and just being together doing what we do is a great pleasure. However, that's basically all the "socializing" I'm doing other than one or two close friends whom I either see in person or talk on the phone. Me and my two cats for now, and frankly if I had not made the commitment to the cats, it's likely I'd get a small motor home or travel trailer and just hit the road like so many have done, out being a vagabond. Nothing wrong with enjoying your work either. So many do not.

Agree

 

[lady1light]

Marry me please.

Marry me please.

?

 

[FoodForeal]

Good post! I'm not sure if I would call the practice anything specific, but I think of it as the process of sublimating sexual energy into something romantic, intimate, and inspiring. I believe the hormones responsible for pair bonding probably sky rocket during this kind of intimate and affectionate love making, it definitely leaves me feeling very "high", or with a sense of peace. Slow, gentle, loving, and vulnerable anal sex under this kind of practice is a sensation that I feel words fail to describe. Cuddling and caressing while receiving a massage from heaven, the energy and desire you share between each other is maintained or channeled into something that seems conductive, I would definitely put it in the category of something that feels pro-metabolic.

The anus is not a sex organ.

 

[Morgan]

The anus is not a sex organ.

Well, it sure feels really good, definitely seems to have a lot of sensitive nerve endings around there, and the feeling of tightening an relaxing around your lover while kissing them makes me forget about the world for a bit.

What about the prostate? is that a sex organ or not?

 

[FoodForeal]

Well, it sure feels really good, definitely seems to have a lot of sensitive nerve endings around there, and the feeling of tightening an relaxing around your lover while kissing them makes me forget about the world for a bit.

What about the prostate? is that a sex organ or not?

Thrusting a foreign object into the anus will damage it and create antisperm antibodies when it is exposed to semen. PUFA is toxic.

 

[Morgan]

Thrusting a foreign object into the anus will damage it and create antisperm antibodies when it is exposed to semen. PUFA is toxic.

I mean, harmful or unmindful thrusting in any orifice can be damaging. Yes, PUFA is definitely toxic, I don't have any doubts about that? I would certainly like a citation on the antibodies statement, a comprehensive study(that isn't structure for an intentional outcome) on this would be interesting for a myriad of reasons, but these are not experiences I have had personally.

 

[noodlecat]

I find your post sad.

NoFap is harmful beyond a week or two. Drives are important to us. Treating your body this way isn’t so great.

i think a.) you are projecting a bit (finding it sad) and b.) you are simply incorrect (nofap being harmful.)

you had a post about not cooming while having sex too so interesting to hear this response. what is so sad about not feeling the need to coom?

 

[noodlecat]

We’re not babies. When you don’t come after awhile, your sperm is resorbed into your body. Auto immune issues can result. It’s the worst idea ever. Of course if you don‘t use it after awhile you can lose it. It isn’t my business what other people do but that is my read on it. I am one who doesn’t ejaculate all the time, but I have a tremendous amount of sexual pleasure and it is so wonderful and makes life worth living.

i have wet dreams once in awhile and ancient texts say the resorption of semen is the source of strength

 

[noodlecat]

healthy people have a lot of sex. And happy people do too. Anyway as I said, this is a religious discussion and it's fine with me that people feel this way.

it is not just religious. nothing about my religion really says specifically to be celibate, there is info about it but it applies to certain paths in life. i personally feel slightly less good after lust

Nope, try again
Serotonin puts the brakes on libido, by lowering dopamine
Serotonin and oxytocin promote gullibility, trainability, and servility
Serotonin promotes (futile) patience and (false) faith in future rewards

you are projecting the wrong idea of my state. i used to be brutally lustful and perverted and that was in a worse health state. i feel content and relaxed lately and don’t have that type of lust. not free of desire tho. just not desperate

 

[noodlecat]

hopeless. Go ahead. Avoid all sexual pleasure. That's fine.

you seem pretty easy to annoy on this topic.

religious means faith-based beliefs. When someone advocates not ejaculating, no orgasms, no masturbation, no partner sex, that is a religious belief. Even if they are an atheist regarding "God" they have a religion.

but you are advocating the opposite. you just said lots of sex is done by healthy people. this is a health forum so it sounds like you think lots of sex is good.

 

[noodlecat]

Hello @noodlecat, this is actually my first comment on this forum, and I have to say I really resonate with what you are saying. I think it’s difficult for a lot of people to understand what this state of mind feels like, because quite simply, there aren’t that many truly sensitive people on earth today. Which doesn’t at all make non sensitive other people “bad”. They are equally important out there in the world. This is not a discussion of morality which is weird to me that anyone started to talk about it from that point of view. Anyways, I couldn’t agree with you more in that I feel entirely better as a person with limited social interaction and for the the first time since I was a teenager (am now 32), I have basically no desire for sex or a relationship. I don’t enjoy shopping excessively anymore, and I pretty much keep to myself other than my close family like you said. These parts of life always sort of made me crazy and very unfocused and ungrounded in the past. Now, I am recovering from some pretty severe health issues, but I am almost thankful for the downfall, because it’s helped me to become extremely clear on what I do and do not want in my life, and also what takes me away from myself. It kind of sounds like what you are saying. For me, the best feeling in the world is being grounded, feeling vitality for the sake of vitality, not having that vitality and warmth need to “go” anywhere like sex or excessive socialization, or material longing. I guess the most wordly place it wants to go would be exercise but even then for me that means hiking in nature or riding my bike. I mentioned the sensitive person thing because all throughout history we have seen artistic types of souls gravitate towards living a lifestyle free of these things that other people really feel and value as important and a sign of health. It just goes to show we are all different and not everything comes down to “if your metabolism is good, you’ll be and act like ___________.” SO, right on to your loner lifestyle, which absolutely doesn’t mean lonely!!!!! You’re not “alone”, LOL.

you are right, you know exactly what i meant! thanks for replying and i am honored you chose this thread your first. a couple weeks ago i felt so good, and i alternating going from working at my desk to lying in my bed with my dog browsing forums on my phone. i felt amazing and totally content. no need to run around “accomplishing” stuff or going out on the town in a neurotic sense, which i used to have this annoying drive to do. i also usually felt worse after hanging out with people because i always wanted more, some type of plan or group formed to accomplish something meaningful, which usually went badly!

i finally have work that i like doing. there is a friend i have i chat with a lot who is the perfect foil to this state because he can’t stay focused and is constantly unhappy.

 

[noodlecat]

You will regret this. Let’s stop glorifying being a loser and assign a higher meaning to inceldom and walking out of society. Such a defeatist mindset.
Do you realise how low are you on the dominance hierarchy to have this kind of thinking? You should be angry about it.

lol
perfectly expected from you . the amount of absolute seething projections from people who don’t understand my point of view is amazing.

if you knew my goals and desires you would see calling me abandoning society is hilarious. you are a plebian telling the patrician what a loser they are. someone has to organize and make the society more beautiful, the one you want to run around with a boner in. i dont want the company of people like you, i dont care about being in your standing. id prefer if you didnt even know i exist.

 

[noodlecat]

Sex is just a tool for species survival, based on metabolism state.

Severely damaged metabolisms won't have or desire any sex, they are done.

Unhealthy metabolisms will crave sex, as death is near and reproduction is a urgency, why do kids reach puberty so early nowadays? Why are people so hypersexual nowadays?

Healthy metabolism will have moderate, sometimes low sex drive, as they live longer and the need for reproduction isn't a big urgency.

The more advanced species are, the more child-like they become, look at how chimp babies strongly resemble humans, who are more "advanced".

thet baby monkey is super aesthetic