What works for premature ejaculation?

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Hooo lets see if I can help you along. First I know I think Ray is right on that one. you end up having to be your own doctor. its sort of a hazzle to be honest.
Lets start with red light. I think it will be good for you to look into some resources.

The Therapeutic Effects of Red and Near-Infrared Light (2015) and the updated version: The Therapeutic Effects of Red and Near-Infrared Light (2017)

He is absolutly peat-friendly and to my knowledge a good source of info. He goes into which frequencies does what and for what time.
For more specifics on that I recomend Red Light Man • Light Therapy Products & Information
He has products and and info page in the menu on the site. his product is also supposedly good.

Peat himself prefers broadspectrum ones which is what I own myself. This one is quite cheap and in the recommended by peat frequencies: Amazon product ASIN B00IVPMZKEView: https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00IVPMZKE?tag=cosmeticnew00-20&linkCode=osi&th=1&psc=1
The link is for reference only - I really encourage you to buy it somewhere else for the sake of ethics.

I also own a chickenbrooder lamp made to peats suggestions but must say I havent felt that one beneficial to the same degree.
Generally I actually wouldnt recommend more then 15 minutes aday and you should as redlightman says dont go closer then 30-40 cm from the source to avoid rna damage etc. (dont panic about it) . One of the reasons is that many of the frequencies depleat the body of cytochrome c oxidase which is one of the way redlight functions but there are individual frequencies increasing its production. That can be found in the links I gave. But basically just dont overdo it. 15 minutes a day is good.


On aspirin the advices differs. Peat says even up to 5 grams or more a day is ok , but that is advice given about severe cancers. I dont think that is advisable. Usually most of the effects can be gotten by a couple hundred milligrams a day. If the aspirin hurts your stomach dissolving the pill in warm water and drinking it with food can help. Also start slow. If at all. I must say though that after starting grounding regularly aspirin no longer helps. I suspect one reason is that aspirin is a bloodthinner and grounding naturally thins blood to healthy levels (not beyond, but if one is on bloodthinners when grounding beware as it will reduce the needs for the meds). It does this primarly by changing the zeta potential of the bloodcells, making them repell each other and thus not clump. This also affects erections positively a propos the subject of the thread though not exactly. There are many other effects of grounding though and it is extremely safe as all living creatures are naturally grounded 24/7 in nature and we are evolved for that. It puts you in contact with the earths magnetic field which is extremely powerfull due to the size of the earth and thus shields the body of frequensies (emfs) up to 100hz at least or something like that. It also takes part in regulating circadian rythms as the field fluctuates during the day affecting the bodies hormone secretion and the parasympathetic nervous system. And not to neglect, it gives an endless source of free electrons which is very Peaty indeed as it is a bioenergetic phenomenon. The earth provides negative electrons that gets stored in the body and thus stops things like cytokine storms and really turns down chronic inflamation. And lastly it discharges charge and static electricity building up in the body through friction and distance from the ground.

How to ground is just touching the earth. But since that is unpractical 24/7 there are stuff you can buy. Skin touching the earth (especially feet and palms) is the most natural way but usually I ground with "equipment". All earthing equipment is just extension cords to the earths surface. The greatest effects are from grounded sleep.

I recomend watching the earthing movie by the earthing institute even if its not really my "style" :
View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=44ddtR0XDVU&t=19s

Clint Ober who started the research on earthing runs the grounding institute: Earthing Institute Home - Earthing Institute
This is their youtube channel: https://www.youtube.com/user/EarthingOriginal

Some people are afraid of it working as an antenna but that is bogus as antennas for emfs is not grounded. It is the opposite. Not being grounded makes you an antenna. No need to look into it though its just in case you come across weirdos.

and this is their company's shop: Earthing & Grounding Products by Clint Ober: Ultimate Longevity

If you are in europe I suggest their vendor. Grounding Technology: Earthing sheets, Mats & more

I would get a sleeping mat, and connect it either to the ground itself with one of their grounding rods or to the groundpin in a grounded soccet (not electrical). ALso concider a universal mat and some patches. Sleep directly on the mat (some cotton in between is ok but slows it a bit. maximum effect is naked directly on if u are ok with it), Have the universal mat under your feet or **** at office/dinner table/couch. Put an attached patch on an area close to a problem to maximise conductivity to that area. (I I sleep on a mat + patches) Also soles of hands and feet can be used for patches. If you really get into it buy something to ground you when you are walking (groundology sells it) its not as good as barefoot but practical. Of course that only works if you are on a conductive surface like sement or gravel or dirt, not on asphalt.

Usually you feel better by it but the body can be very stress and some experience some discomfort, tingling, sweating etc for a couple of days but that always resides when the bodies thirst for electrons has been quenched and the bodys systems normalizes. It doesnt cure everything but its seriously effective.

I hope this helps

Edit: also black cummin is the same as black seed as far as I know. It is sort of effective though personally I cannot tolerate it. It has some estrogenic properties but Peat is quite positive to it though. It has terpens so if you know you are sensitive to it or has an overburdened liver it might not sit well with you. If you try it be sure to get a quality product. organically gronw, carefully produced and in dark bottles as it is both very volatile and photosensitive.

Thanks. Do you know a way to measure it? in terms of to know if its working with a number. The same way you can measure electricity with one of these devices, im not sure how it's called. I just want to know if it's properly installed.

When you say sitting directly on your **** on a chair you must be naked? and what about feet? if you are in winter, it's too cold to not wear socks. I am right now with no socks putting my feet on the ground. Is this grounding?

Also I live on an an appartment. So im not sure if technically it is the ground. The material is something like this:

I would really like to measure these things. I assume it can be done. I would really like a tutorial that you can verify that it is correct, in how to set it up etc. Do you know one in youtube? that is a full lenght movie. I will look into it when I have the time for info, but I would like a straight tutorial to buy the stuff and set it up. I will buy from the shop you recommended. I am trying to order less and less from Amazon. I really just can't trust the stuff in there, most of the time is dodgy made in china products.

Something I have noticed is that I am very prone to small electrocution when I touch the computer case, or the headphone pre amp case which is a metal case that sits on top of the computer case. Im not sure if it's related. I have to unplug the whole thing, not only shut it down but unplug everything otherwise i get these electricity shocks or whatever is named.

I am interested in setting this up correctly since it's something that only has to be set done once and everything helps. Similarly to the air purifier. I use an HEPA air purifier and since then I haven't had nasty cooking smell from the neighbours. I just have to change the filter every 6 months and vacuum clean it every 2 weeks or so.

As far as analytics, I think I already linked to my thread with my bloodwork the latest I got: Has anyone successfully lowered thyroid antibodies?

As you can see here, I also ask about my itchy white tongue:

Someone mentioned this test:

But I don't know how to buy it in my country, it only ships to US and I think only to businsess. I would really like to get tested for all possible viruses, bacteria, fungus, parasites, anything that could be causing it.

Can I order antibodies in a blood work or should I get one of these gut tests? or ideally both?

Which markers do I ask for specifically in the lab? because for candida for instance, I think there are many variables. Similarly also for herpes, there's many so im not sure.

I also want to test for covid because a year ago I had was coughing during lockdown (I was out 2 weeks before). What do I ask for in the lab? Is it still possible to know if I passed it? im not vaccined yet. I've heard that protection from the virus is permanent once you go throught it, so if this is true then there should be a way to measure it?

I also wonder about the high prolactin and what can be done to keep it low. In one lab it was on range, other it was above range. How do I know if the prolactin is normal? I need to get a prolactin curve somehow? how? Also someone mentione semen retention. Is this broscience or it makes sense? I don't remember where I heard this, I thought it was on this thread. Some dude mentioned how even during sex they wouldn't cum or would only cum once a week or something. I just wonder if this wrecks your hormones up since you expect a climax. I wonder if there was a way to measure prolacting in real time similar to glucose to see how it reacts along the day.

Btw, I would also like to discard any glucose/insulin related problems. What do I do? can I buy some device to monitor in real time glucose and see how it reacts along the day? For instance, during a cold shower, warm shower, after eating and after sexual stimulation, sleeping, reacting to different foods... we can't never know if we don't measure in real time these things, to see what is causing a reaction. Otherwise you only get a snapshoot from a single moment. Same goes for prolactin etc. How to know its permanently up or its fluctuating then.

And finally thyroid antibodies. I wish there was a way to know what the trigger is. Right now I would like to discard h pylori since it's an idea someone mentioned. But the thing is, I start researching, and end up stressed because I don't know what test to order and how to do things. I don't want to get tests that are innacurate.

As far as healthy sex life, well this thread is about premature ejaculation so it's assumed that's difficult since you cum too fast. I have practice edging and tried with VR porn since it's more realistic scenario than looking at a flat screen but it's not enough. There has to be extra things to fix beside practicing.
 
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When you feel yourself about to climax, stop what you are doing and start to pleasure your significant other in different ways (use your imagination). Once the urge subsides, continue with what you were doing. It makes your lady brilliantly happy and if you repeat that enough, you can go for hours.
 

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Exactly.
You provided the only answer that makes sense.

When you watch animal documentaries, name ONE animal whose intercourse lasts more than 30 seconds total.
A deer's intercourse lasts around 3 seconds, a horse's around 15 seconds.

NO animal was biologically engineered to have long intercourses, it doesn't make sense from a predator/prey perspective.

Long-lasting intercourses are only a thing of modern society and egalitarianism driven by feminism who claim women deserve as much pleasure as men.

Do you have the slightest idea how much effort it requires from a man to have a woman climax? You get drained. You can't even perform regular tasks after that, you need naps on naps on naps.
So, sex is naturally made for male enjoyment and to be able to reproduce without taking into account the woman? In other words, nature indicates that it is not normal for the male sex to enjoy sex (since intercourse "naturally" and in a healthy state should last such short times).
 

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Men, or women who have had partners with PE, what in your experience helped? Or conversely, women with partners with delayed ejaculation, or men with delayed ejaculation, what are some characteristics/habits in your experience that people with delayed ejaculation have that others don't?

Looking more for systemic solutions, as opposed to in-the-moment techniques.

Avoiding porn has been a frequent suggestion in the past on here, but I was hoping to get other suggestions as well.

Thanks!
i dont think its relevant, if youre in a good metabolic state you could have multiple orgasms/Es which would mean, the quickness of the first one wouldnt matter since you could just continue. possibly vitamin b6 or zinc to lower prolactin, but it really just comes down to metabolism...
 

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Trimethylglycine + glycine might work.

TMG promotes methylation, which should prolong intercourse, as undermethylated individuals tend to have fast orgasms due to high histamine and low serotonin (High arousal/low inhibition) whereas overmethylated individuals have inability to reach orgasm typically due to low histamine / higher serotonin. (Low arousal / high inhibition)
Glycine could buffer excess methylation, possibly leading to the right duration of intercourse.

Just a theory of mine.
 
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So, sex is naturally made for male enjoyment and to be able to reproduce without taking into account the woman? In other words, nature indicates that it is not normal for the male sex to enjoy sex (since intercourse "naturally" and in a healthy state should last such short times).

Nature is made for couples to reproduce, and the natural intercourse usually doesn't last more than a couple minutes.
It's a mix of cultural construct, mental efforts, and lack of health that lead men to last long.

Nature intended for the pleasure to be quick and intense for men to seek to reproduce. Along with senses arousal on the women side to accept the intercourse.

It's a cultural construct to think in terms of who gets more pleasure during the act.
 

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Nature is made for couples to reproduce, and the natural intercourse usually doesn't last more than a couple minutes.
It's a mix of cultural construct, mental efforts, and lack of health that lead men to last long.

Nature intended for the pleasure to be quick and intense for men to seek to reproduce. Along with senses arousal on the women side to accept the intercourse.

It's a cultural construct to think in terms of who gets more pleasure during the act.
There has been discussions on this subject before but basically thats not true. Several species have intercource for social reasons. Some animals habe sex for hours. Pigs orgasms can last 40 min. And we are a social species. And theres quite some research on female orgasm and its function including on fertility
 

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Thanks. Do you know a way to measure it? in terms of to know if its working with a number. The same way you can measure electricity with one of these devices, im not sure how it's called. I just want to know if it's properly installed.

When you say sitting directly on your **** on a chair you must be naked? and what about feet? if you are in winter, it's too cold to not wear socks. I am right now with no socks putting my feet on the ground. Is this grounding?

Also I live on an an appartment. So im not sure if technically it is the ground. The material is something like this:

I would really like to measure these things. I assume it can be done. I would really like a tutorial that you can verify that it is correct, in how to set it up etc. Do you know one in youtube? that is a full lenght movie. I will look into it when I have the time for info, but I would like a straight tutorial to buy the stuff and set it up. I will buy from the shop you recommended. I am trying to order less and less from Amazon. I really just can't trust the stuff in there, most of the time is dodgy made in china products.

Something I have noticed is that I am very prone to small electrocution when I touch the computer case, or the headphone pre amp case which is a metal case that sits on top of the computer case. Im not sure if it's related. I have to unplug the whole thing, not only shut it down but unplug everything otherwise i get these electricity shocks or whatever is named.

I am interested in setting this up correctly since it's something that only has to be set done once and everything helps. Similarly to the air purifier. I use an HEPA air purifier and since then I haven't had nasty cooking smell from the neighbours. I just have to change the filter every 6 months and vacuum clean it every 2 weeks or so.

As far as analytics, I think I already linked to my thread with my bloodwork the latest I got: Has anyone successfully lowered thyroid antibodies?

As you can see here, I also ask about my itchy white tongue:

Someone mentioned this test:

But I don't know how to buy it in my country, it only ships to US and I think only to businsess. I would really like to get tested for all possible viruses, bacteria, fungus, parasites, anything that could be causing it.

Can I order antibodies in a blood work or should I get one of these gut tests? or ideally both?

Which markers do I ask for specifically in the lab? because for candida for instance, I think there are many variables. Similarly also for herpes, there's many so im not sure.

I also want to test for covid because a year ago I had was coughing during lockdown (I was out 2 weeks before). What do I ask for in the lab? Is it still possible to know if I passed it? im not vaccined yet. I've heard that protection from the virus is permanent once you go throught it, so if this is true then there should be a way to measure it?

I also wonder about the high prolactin and what can be done to keep it low. In one lab it was on range, other it was above range. How do I know if the prolactin is normal? I need to get a prolactin curve somehow? how? Also someone mentione semen retention. Is this broscience or it makes sense? I don't remember where I heard this, I thought it was on this thread. Some dude mentioned how even during sex they wouldn't cum or would only cum once a week or something. I just wonder if this wrecks your hormones up since you expect a climax. I wonder if there was a way to measure prolacting in real time similar to glucose to see how it reacts along the day.

Btw, I would also like to discard any glucose/insulin related problems. What do I do? can I buy some device to monitor in real time glucose and see how it reacts along the day? For instance, during a cold shower, warm shower, after eating and after sexual stimulation, sleeping, reacting to different foods... we can't never know if we don't measure in real time these things, to see what is causing a reaction. Otherwise you only get a snapshoot from a single moment. Same goes for prolactin etc. How to know its permanently up or its fluctuating then.

And finally thyroid antibodies. I wish there was a way to know what the trigger is. Right now I would like to discard h pylori since it's an idea someone mentioned. But the thing is, I start researching, and end up stressed because I don't know what test to order and how to do things. I don't want to get tests that are innacurate.

As far as healthy sex life, well this thread is about premature ejaculation so it's assumed that's difficult since you cum too fast. I have practice edging and tried with VR porn since it's more realistic scenario than looking at a flat screen but it's not enough. There has to be extra things to fix beside practicing.
Ill get back to you
 

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Trimethylglycine + glycine might work.

TMG promotes methylation, which should prolong intercourse, as undermethylated individuals tend to have fast orgasms due to high histamine and low serotonin (High arousal/low inhibition) whereas overmethylated individuals have inability to reach orgasm typically due to low histamine / higher serotonin. (Low arousal / high inhibition)
Glycine could buffer excess methylation, possibly leading to the right duration of intercourse.

Just a theory of mine.
doesnt the TMG contain glycine itself which would help buffer any excess methyl
wouldnt those high histamine people be able to go for multiple rounds which would negate the need for needing to last long since you basically do last long in that case?

Nature is made for couples to reproduce, and the natural intercourse usually doesn't last more than a couple minutes.
It's a mix of cultural construct, mental efforts, and lack of health that lead men to last long.

Nature intended for the pleasure to be quick and intense for men to seek to reproduce. Along with senses arousal on the women side to accept the intercourse.

It's a cultural construct to think in terms of who gets more pleasure during the act.

do men in good metabolic health orgasm quickly but have the ability to do so multiple/many times?
why do you say lack of health lead men to last long?
what about penis size do you think its correlated to overall health
 

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doesnt the TMG contain glycine itself which would help buffer any excess methyl
wouldnt those high histamine people be able to go for multiple rounds which would negate the need for needing to last long since you basically do last long in that case?
No, trimethylglycine (also called betaine) acts exclusively as a methyl donor and does not have the ability to buffer an excess of methyl. But glycine does.
 

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No, trimethylglycine (also called betaine) acts exclusively as a methyl donor and does not have the ability to buffer an excess of methyl. But glycine does.
but glycine in the name? doesnt it contain some glycine...
 

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Dear Fred, there sis evidence that 5HT in higher levels in the CNS helps to increase the latency to orgasm, let me upload a file..

Abstract Disorders of the ejaculatory threshold, such as lifelong premature ejaculation, are fairly common in humans and can have a great impact on the quality of life. Research in humans and rats have indicated that increased serotonin levels in the central nervous system elevate the ejaculatory threshold, probably via 5-HT1B and 5-HT2C receptors, whereas depletion of serotonin decreases the ejaculatory threshold. 5-HT1A receptor activation strongly lowers the ejaculatory threshold, probably mediated by both the reduction of serotonin levels via presynaptic 5-HT1A receptors and yet unknown effects of postsynaptic 5-HT1A receptors. The present review attempts to integrate psychopharmacological data on serotonergic control over ejaculation with the knowledge of the neuroanatomical substrate of ejaculation, indicating the importance of the lumbosacral spinal cord, the nucleus paragigantocellularis, the lateral hypothalamic area and several other supraspinal areas. In addition, the gaps in our understanding of the role of serotonin in the ejaculatory threshold are discussed. Filling in those gaps might help to design specific drugs that alter the ejaculatory threshold, thereby alleviating ejaculatory disorders.
 

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Dear Fred, there sis evidence that 5HT in higher levels in the CNS helps to increase the latency to orgasm, let me upload a file..
Yes, but 5HT is more upstream. Oxytocin is also highly involved in the ejaculation process and it promotes fast ejaculation. Some oxytocin antagonists have been proposed to treat PE.
Acute dosing of SSRI immediately increases 5HT but this doesn't delay ejaculation.
The activation of 5HT1A induces the secretion of oxytocin, therefore taking SSRI only "on demand" can actually worsen PE.
It is the chronic SSRI treatment that desensitizes 5HT1A receptors on the oxytocin-secreting neurons and eventually causes chronic delayed ejaculation through decreased oxytocin levels.
Various SSRIs cause 5HT1A desensitization to different degrees. Fluoxetine and paroxetine are more capable of causing desensitization of 5HT1A.
In addition to high oxytocin, lower prolactin and higher TSH are common in PE. Treating hyperthyroidism often resolves PE.
 

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Yes, but 5HT is more upstream. Oxytocin is also highly involved in the ejaculation process and it promotes fast ejaculation. Some oxytocin antagonists have been proposed to treat PE.
Acute dosing of SSRI immediately increases 5HT but this doesn't delay ejaculation.
The activation of 5HT1A induces the secretion of oxytocin, therefore taking SSRI only "on demand" can actually worsen PE.
It is the chronic SSRI treatment that desensitizes 5HT1A receptors on the oxytocin-secreting neurons and eventually causes chronic delayed ejaculation through decreased oxytocin levels.
Various SSRIs cause 5HT1A desensitization to different degrees. Fluoxetine and paroxetine are more capable of causing desensitization of 5HT1A.
In addition to high oxytocin, lower prolactin and higher TSH are common in PE. Treating hyperthyroidism often resolves PE.
Oxytocin is also known to stimulate uterine contractions and also increases prostaglandins, which further increase contractions.
It promotes contractions in the prostate as well, causing PE.
 

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Micros on top of macros. If you aren’t eating green leaves you’re leaving performance on the table. Travis would be dissapointed. Chomp em down on the side with a nice steak and potatoes and pump away like a champ.
 

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