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[youngsinatra]

When your blood sugar drops, as is common in hypothyroid individuals, adrenaline rises in an attempt to compensate the fuel shortage of sugar by the supply of free fatty acids.

According to Dr. Ray Peat, “many hypothyroid people compensate with high adrenaline production (sometimes 40 times higher than normal), and this tends to keep the skin cool, especially on the hands, feet, and nose.”

 

[Jerkboy]

This is a bit weird . I have not been contributing to what you have been discussing but hypo does bot have high adrenalin and cortisol?? Thats sime far out ***t man. I just refer to Broda Barnes and Peat here in general. That is very typical hypo though it has the chance of sooner or later exhausting the adtenals and then what you describe would nor ally occur. If what you are saying is true then a year or two of keto would not lower peoples metabolism as they usually have a year or so of feeling great due to the compensatory adrenalinprioduction. Or cancer is not a metabolic disease as the patients usually have high cortusol and adrenalin? I dont know what tonsay man but thats some seruous misunderstanding. I cant list like the main part of Peats work here but remember that most metabolic disorders will include a level of hypo or cause one quickly. To go through all the mechanisms is neverending so just start with some of Peats articles on thyroid, any of Broda Barnes books or the old manuals on thyroid from before 1950 when the blood test startrd to be used and the clinical signs was downplayed. (No the where not less reliant and again the thyroid madness article by Peat might be relevant here.) Not saying training cant be part of it but the problem with overtraining (in addition to lactate itself being a problem) is exactly that it makes you both temporarly and possibly long twrm hypo.

Maybe rather go by pulse, temps and symptoms in general. At the least the no high adrenalin is anti-peat and very misguided. If you find this reply harsh it is noy ent to be rude but to make sure this idea is not percieved as a valid understanding if metabolism on this forum :)

I dont agree with that.
High metabolism without fuel can give high cortisol, high adrenaline.

 

[Eberhardt]

I dont agree with that.
High metabolism without fuel can give high cortisol, high adrenaline.

I didnt say that it never occurs without hypothyroidism though it always causes it given enough time. I dont see any point in arguing about this though since there is a ton of material proving my point of view and its in line with the general view of metabolism on the forum. You didnt provide any arguments so I just refer to what I listed before. You are - no satire- free to belive what you want of course.

 

[Jerkboy]

I didnt say that it never occurs without hypothyroidism though it always causes it given enough time. I dont see any point in arguing about this though since there is a ton of material proving my point of view and its in line with the general view of metabolism on the forum. You didnt provide any arguments so I just refer to what I listed before. You are - no satire- free to belive what you want of course.

I am not arguing with you. Just saying what I believe is true. Eventually no fuel + high metabolism will crash you yes. You will burn through your reserves. After that you will have low metabolism simply because you lack the nutrients to have a high metabolism.

 

[rayban]

High adrenaline + high cortisol is not hypothyroid. People who are hypothyroid have no adrenaline, no cortisol. And so they have chronic fatigue. Too high cortisol + adrenaline + serotonin can also cause fatigue but it is different. RT3, Serotonin, etc is like a brake to your bodies metabolic rate.

I assume you workout?

You might simply not be eating enough or the right food (not enough copper, calcium, or something else) which keeps your metabolism too high (stress hormones high) and you cum fast because your body thinks you are in a danger zone.

So my TSH and T3 and T4 levels on my bloodwork aren't hypothyroid? im diagnosed as hypothyroid and take Eutirox. My TSH was almost 10 before I started Eutirox.

Thyroids section:

PTH-i: 50.2 pgr/ml. Range: 18.5 - 88
Thyroglobulin: <1 ng/ml. Range: 1.9 - 59.9
Total T3: 1.02 ng/ml. Range: 0.65 - 1.6
Free T3: 6.1 pmol/L. Range 4 - 8.30
Reverse T3: 0.15 ng/ml. Range: 0.10 - 0.35
Total T4: 6.6 mcg/100ml. Range: 4.70 - 9.70
Free T4: 10.2 pg/ml. Range: 9 - 19.50
TSH: 4.17. mcUI/ml. Range: 0.25 - 5

Inmunology:

Antibodies anti-receptor of TSH (TSI): 0.82 mUI/ml. Range: 0.00 - 1.75
Antimicrosomal Antibody (TPO): 75.6 UI/ml. 0 - 12 UI/ml
Antibodies anti-thyroglobulin (TGL): 88.5 UI/ml. Range: 0 - 18

I dont workout I just walk around 1 hour daily.

I drink a bol of milk a day of decent size and I have icecream at night sometimes and yogurts, creams etc, im sure I get enough calcium. In fact I think I measured calcium back then it was ok. I have a hair mineralogram but I was told its impossible to interpret the mineralogram results because there are endless ratios you have to check and I haven't found someone that knows how to interpret these type of tests (the ones with percentile bars for each mineral)

I started taking 10mg cetirizin at night today to see if my itchy tongue improves to see if its related to that but I think I've tried anti histaminics before and didn't notice anything.

 

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[DrJ]

If I seem to be trending towards PE I start taking lysine. It seems to work but I found this by accident basically.

Since @redsun says it's because of high noradrenaline I got curious and googled lysine and noradrenaline. Seems that lysine deficiency raises noradrenaline release by the hypothalamus, at least in rats:

Reversible brain response to an intragastric load of l-lysine under l-lysine depletion in conscious rats | British Journal of Nutrition | Cambridge Core

Reversible brain response to an intragastric load of l-lysine under l-lysine depletion in conscious rats - Volume 109 Issue 7

www.cambridge.org

 

[Eberhardt]

So my TSH and T3 and T4 levels on my bloodwork aren't hypothyroid? im diagnosed as hypothyroid and take Eutirox. My TSH was almost 10 before I started Eutirox.

Thyroids section:

PTH-i: 50.2 pgr/ml. Range: 18.5 - 88
Thyroglobulin: <1 ng/ml. Range: 1.9 - 59.9
Total T3: 1.02 ng/ml. Range: 0.65 - 1.6
Free T3: 6.1 pmol/L. Range 4 - 8.30
Reverse T3: 0.15 ng/ml. Range: 0.10 - 0.35
Total T4: 6.6 mcg/100ml. Range: 4.70 - 9.70
Free T4: 10.2 pg/ml. Range: 9 - 19.50
TSH: 4.17. mcUI/ml. Range: 0.25 - 5

Inmunology:

Antibodies anti-receptor of TSH (TSI): 0.82 mUI/ml. Range: 0.00 - 1.75
Antimicrosomal Antibody (TPO): 75.6 UI/ml. 0 - 12 UI/ml
Antibodies anti-thyroglobulin (TGL): 88.5 UI/ml. Range: 0 - 18

I dont workout I just walk around 1 hour daily.

I drink a bol of milk a day of decent size and I have icecream at night sometimes and yogurts, creams etc, im sure I get enough calcium. In fact I think I measured calcium back then it was ok. I have a hair mineralogram but I was told its impossible to interpret the mineralogram results because there are endless ratios you have to check and I haven't found someone that knows how to interpret these type of tests (the ones with percentile bars for each mineral)

I started taking 10mg cetirizin at night today to see if my itchy tongue improves to see if its related to that but I think I've tried anti histaminics before and didn't notice anything.

I agree. The tsh is still high. Peat belives its one of the best bloodtests for thyroid and thinks ideal is <0.7. Or at least below 1,5.

 

[rayban]

I agree. The tsh is still high. Peat belives its one of the best bloodtests for thyroid and thinks ideal is <0.7. Or at least below 1,5.

What do I do? raise Euthyrox dosage?
My T4 to T3 ratio is good so I just need an higher dose?

Assuming it's impossible to find the autoinmune cause because doctors wouldn't research it what else can I do.

 

[rayban]

If I seem to be trending towards PE I start taking lysine. It seems to work but I found this by accident basically.

Since @redsun says it's because of high noradrenaline I got curious and googled lysine and noradrenaline. Seems that lysine deficiency raises noradrenaline release by the hypothalamus, at least in rats:

Reversible brain response to an intragastric load of l-lysine under l-lysine depletion in conscious rats | British Journal of Nutrition | Cambridge Core

Reversible brain response to an intragastric load of l-lysine under l-lysine depletion in conscious rats - Volume 109 Issue 7

www.cambridge.org

Can I measure this accurately before buying a l-lysine supplement? im paranoid to take supplements when I don't even really know if there is a deficiency to begin with.

 

[rayban]

******* hell man what do I do I just want solutions already. My tongue itches, my thyroid area feels inflammed, I cum too fast, and im trapped in here because im not rich to buy a new house yet. No doctor will ever find what is causing thyroid antibodies so im just stuck with upping or lowering Euthyrox. And I had to pay that long bloodwork because they have never checked any hormones beside t4, t3, tsh, and antibodies once (just to diagnose me as hashimotos, then stopped testing them)
What im supposed to do, im making no progress here.

 

[Eberhardt]

@rayban I feel you. Maybe someone else is better at answering this. I have actually made my TSH lower partly by grounding (which is peat recommened, even if it is not an area he says a lot about) - I think maybe it is worth looking into liver health as sometimes the problem is the liver which makes the body unable to properly utilize the meds/your natural hormones. I have no very specific non-generalized suggestion. In case noone else says much I'd say that even if you "cannot" do some of the things like tests and stuff one can always work on it from a generalized position. Getting enough b-vitamins, low pufas, high carbs, sufficient proteins, lower emfs, enough sun, 8 hour of sleep in the nighttime, sunlight/redlight, moderate exercise/walking, stimulating activities like socializing and doing arts, meaningful activities, reasonable sexlife, aspirin, and avoiding toxic stuff from fake food and supplements. I dont know if this helps but these things alwasy contribute to moving in the right direction, even if they might not feel like magic pills. I think its worth reminding yourself that these things DO move you in the right dirctions even if they dont immediatly fix things necessarily, so one doesnt get stuck in a helpless feeling mode. I have also tried progesterone and pregnenelone without much success as well as not having a good effect from t3, t4 and armour. I have reached the conclusion that for me this was due to liverissues.

 

[youngsinatra]

I understand your pain. I think part of the solution lies in relying on the basics. I need to center myself to not get lost in the details.
Focusing on a very low-irritation diet with lots of nutrients, good quality sleep and rest.

I dropped almost all my supplements for a few days now (by the recommendation by Danny Roddy) and felt a big increase in overall feeling. All I take is topical vitamin D3 (50’000 IU for me on the forearm) and some oral magnesium glycinate.

Danny also mentioned that just upping the vitamin D solved so many mysterious health problems for him and clients that, lasted for months prior.

 

[miquelangeles]

I have mentioned this in a bicarbonate thread as well - low bicarbonate levels can be a cause of PE.
Raising the urine pH with appropriate doses of sodium bicarbonate or K/Mg citrates can provide significant relief.

 

[rayban]

I understand your pain. I think part of the solution lies in relying on the basics. I need to center myself to not get lost in the details.
Focusing on a very low-irritation diet with lots of nutrients, good quality sleep and rest.

I dropped almost all my supplements for a few days now (by the recommendation by Danny Roddy) and felt a big increase in overall feeling. All I take is topical vitamin D3 (50’000 IU for me on the forearm) and some oral magnesium glycinate.

Danny also mentioned that just upping the vitamin D solved so many mysterious health problems for him and clients that, lasted for months prior.

I've read using a high dose vitamin D is a mistake because it blocks the vitamin D receptor eventually. Not sure about the details. So just in case im just taking 200 UI daily.

 

[rayban]

@rayban I feel you. Maybe someone else is better at answering this. I have actually made my TSH lower partly by grounding (which is peat recommened, even if it is not an area he says a lot about) - I think maybe it is worth looking into liver health as sometimes the problem is the liver which makes the body unable to properly utilize the meds/your natural hormones. I have no very specific non-generalized suggestion. In case noone else says much I'd say that even if you "cannot" do some of the things like tests and stuff one can always work on it from a generalized position. Getting enough b-vitamins, low pufas, high carbs, sufficient proteins, lower emfs, enough sun, 8 hour of sleep in the nighttime, sunlight/redlight, moderate exercise/walking, stimulating activities like socializing and doing arts, meaningful activities, reasonable sexlife, aspirin, and avoiding toxic stuff from fake food and supplements. I dont know if this helps but these things alwasy contribute to moving in the right direction, even if they might not feel like magic pills. I think its worth reminding yourself that these things DO move you in the right dirctions even if they dont immediatly fix things necessarily, so one doesnt get stuck in a helpless feeling mode. I have also tried progesterone and pregnenelone without much success as well as not having a good effect from t3, t4 and armour. I have reached the conclusion that for me this was due to liverissues.

How do I do the grounding stuff properly? any step by step tutorial?
I have no idea what the **** to do to be honest. Without a dr that is an expert in many fields and takes an holistic approach like someone like Ray Peat you don't make any progress. There's too many details and complex stuff and it makes me stressed trying to figure it out.
What therapy of sunlight/redlight and device should one use? I dont want to make thing worse by using a shitty device that may leak radiation or what do I know. I've heard that using this for the thyroid works but im not sure about what is a safe device and usage.
"Aspirin" is also vague. What dose, and why etc.
This is too complex. I haven't found someone that reduced the thyroid antibodies successfully yet. Some people claim they did but it seems it just randomly went down. This guy black seed oil worked:

At that point, I tested myself with the GI-MAP test (my favorite gut test) and found that I had H. pylori, a common trigger of Hashimoto’s and food sensitivities. I was excited because I knew that treating this infection usually results in a reduction of thyroid symptoms and thyroid antibodies, but wasn’t sure about which protocol I would use, as many of the herbs I would typically use for H. pylori are not safe to take while breastfeeding. I reached out to my friend and colleague Dr. Maya Shetreat-Klein, and learned that black seed oil could be used against H. pylori. That did the trick—within a few weeks, my hoarse voice was gone, my hair stopped falling out, and my follow up tests showed no more H. pylori. Even better, my thyroid antibodies were reduced! Since that time, I’ve been wanting to dig deeper into this wonderful herb and get the message out about its many benefits. (I also figured out how to get rid of my food sensitivities with another new, lactation-friendly protocol, that I will be sharing about soon.)

Black Seed Oil and Hashimoto's - Dr. Izabella Wentz

Black seed oil has been touted as a “cure for everything except for death!” - so can it be beneficial for Hashimoto's? Read on to find out more!

thyroidpharmacist.com

And black cumin whatever that is:

Has anyone successfully lowered thyroid antibodies?

Has anyone here successfully monitored high antibodies, did something (supplementing t4, t3, or doing changes in diet, or any other thing) and then consistently tested low antibodies? If so, what did you do and can you post your labs? In my case, my last lab (before covid, I haven't done labs...

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[redsun]

I've read using a high dose vitamin D is a mistake because it blocks the vitamin D receptor eventually. Not sure about the details. So just in case im just taking 200 UI daily.

Maybe the receptor would downregulate just like what happens with any hormone when the receptor gets activated more. I doubt it would block it but I am confident that vitamin D overdose can cause other problems because of an imbalance with vitamin A and possibly other nutrients.

 

[PeskyPeater]

Its proven, that a sufficient amount of brain serotonin metabolic rate is needed to sustain the performance of sex act until climax is reached, then serotonin is reeleased and broken down. into its metabolites. the cycle repeats

 

[Ell]

Men, or women who have had partners with PE, what in your experience helped? Or conversely, women with partners with delayed ejaculation, or men with delayed ejaculation, what are some characteristics/habits in your experience that people with delayed ejaculation have that others don't?

Looking more for systemic solutions, as opposed to in-the-moment techniques.

Avoiding porn has been a frequent suggestion in the past on here, but I was hoping to get other suggestions as well.

Thanks!

Right when you get a bit overly excited and losing control, just think of all the spirochetes and or possibly amoeba lurking around in her gums that you just kissed and have welcomed as your new guests :) Would you lke reference to some colourful photomicrographs ? David Kennedy DDS out in San Diego had some youtubes on it, if they haven't been hid by the xenops. I recall the title of one is "Bad Bugs", you can actually buy a microsope and see these things !!

 

[Eberhardt]

How do I do the grounding stuff properly? any step by step tutorial?
I have no idea what the **** to do to be honest. Without a dr that is an expert in many fields and takes an holistic approach like someone like Ray Peat you don't make any progress. There's too many details and complex stuff and it makes me stressed trying to figure it out.
What therapy of sunlight/redlight and device should one use? I dont want to make thing worse by using a shitty device that may leak radiation or what do I know. I've heard that using this for the thyroid works but im not sure about what is a safe device and usage.
"Aspirin" is also vague. What dose, and why etc.
This is too complex. I haven't found someone that reduced the thyroid antibodies successfully yet. Some people claim they did but it seems it just randomly went down. This guy black seed oil worked:



And black cumin whatever that is:

Has anyone successfully lowered thyroid antibodies?

Has anyone here successfully monitored high antibodies, did something (supplementing t4, t3, or doing changes in diet, or any other thing) and then consistently tested low antibodies? If so, what did you do and can you post your labs? In my case, my last lab (before covid, I haven't done labs...

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Hooo lets see if I can help you along. First I know I think Ray is right on that one. you end up having to be your own doctor. its sort of a hazzle to be honest.
Lets start with red light. I think it will be good for you to look into some resources.

The Therapeutic Effects of Red and Near-Infrared Light (2015) and the updated version: The Therapeutic Effects of Red and Near-Infrared Light (2017)

He is absolutly peat-friendly and to my knowledge a good source of info. He goes into which frequencies does what and for what time.
For more specifics on that I recomend Red Light Man • Light Therapy Products & Information
He has products and and info page in the menu on the site. his product is also supposedly good.

Peat himself prefers broadspectrum ones which is what I own myself. This one is quite cheap and in the recommended by peat frequencies: Amazon product ASIN B00IVPMZKEView: https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00IVPMZKE?tag=cosmeticnew00-20&linkCode=osi&th=1&psc=1
The link is for reference only - I really encourage you to buy it somewhere else for the sake of ethics.

I also own a chickenbrooder lamp made to peats suggestions but must say I havent felt that one beneficial to the same degree.
Generally I actually wouldnt recommend more then 15 minutes aday and you should as redlightman says dont go closer then 30-40 cm from the source to avoid rna damage etc. (dont panic about it) . One of the reasons is that many of the frequencies depleat the body of cytochrome c oxidase which is one of the way redlight functions but there are individual frequencies increasing its production. That can be found in the links I gave. But basically just dont overdo it. 15 minutes a day is good.


On aspirin the advices differs. Peat says even up to 5 grams or more a day is ok , but that is advice given about severe cancers. I dont think that is advisable. Usually most of the effects can be gotten by a couple hundred milligrams a day. If the aspirin hurts your stomach dissolving the pill in warm water and drinking it with food can help. Also start slow. If at all. I must say though that after starting grounding regularly aspirin no longer helps. I suspect one reason is that aspirin is a bloodthinner and grounding naturally thins blood to healthy levels (not beyond, but if one is on bloodthinners when grounding beware as it will reduce the needs for the meds). It does this primarly by changing the zeta potential of the bloodcells, making them repell each other and thus not clump. This also affects erections positively a propos the subject of the thread though not exactly. There are many other effects of grounding though and it is extremely safe as all living creatures are naturally grounded 24/7 in nature and we are evolved for that. It puts you in contact with the earths magnetic field which is extremely powerfull due to the size of the earth and thus shields the body of frequensies (emfs) up to 100hz at least or something like that. It also takes part in regulating circadian rythms as the field fluctuates during the day affecting the bodies hormone secretion and the parasympathetic nervous system. And not to neglect, it gives an endless source of free electrons which is very Peaty indeed as it is a bioenergetic phenomenon. The earth provides negative electrons that gets stored in the body and thus stops things like cytokine storms and really turns down chronic inflamation. And lastly it discharges charge and static electricity building up in the body through friction and distance from the ground.

How to ground is just touching the earth. But since that is unpractical 24/7 there are stuff you can buy. Skin touching the earth (especially feet and palms) is the most natural way but usually I ground with "equipment". All earthing equipment is just extension cords to the earths surface. The greatest effects are from grounded sleep.

I recomend watching the earthing movie by the earthing institute even if its not really my "style" :
View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=44ddtR0XDVU&t=19s

Clint Ober who started the research on earthing runs the grounding institute: Earthing Institute Home - Earthing Institute
This is their youtube channel: https://www.youtube.com/user/EarthingOriginal

Some people are afraid of it working as an antenna but that is bogus as antennas for emfs is not grounded. It is the opposite. Not being grounded makes you an antenna. No need to look into it though its just in case you come across weirdos.

and this is their company's shop: Earthing & Grounding Products by Clint Ober: Ultimate Longevity

If you are in europe I suggest their vendor. Grounding Technology: Earthing sheets, Mats & more

I would get a sleeping mat, and connect it either to the ground itself with one of their grounding rods or to the groundpin in a grounded soccet (not electrical). ALso concider a universal mat and some patches. Sleep directly on the mat (some cotton in between is ok but slows it a bit. maximum effect is naked directly on if u are ok with it), Have the universal mat under your feet or **** at office/dinner table/couch. Put an attached patch on an area close to a problem to maximise conductivity to that area. (I I sleep on a mat + patches) Also soles of hands and feet can be used for patches. If you really get into it buy something to ground you when you are walking (groundology sells it) its not as good as barefoot but practical. Of course that only works if you are on a conductive surface like sement or gravel or dirt, not on asphalt.

Usually you feel better by it but the body can be very stress and some experience some discomfort, tingling, sweating etc for a couple of days but that always resides when the bodies thirst for electrons has been quenched and the bodys systems normalizes. It doesnt cure everything but its seriously effective.

I hope this helps

Edit: also black cummin is the same as black seed as far as I know. It is sort of effective though personally I cannot tolerate it. It has some estrogenic properties but Peat is quite positive to it though. It has terpens so if you know you are sensitive to it or has an overburdened liver it might not sit well with you. If you try it be sure to get a quality product. organically gronw, carefully produced and in dark bottles as it is both very volatile and photosensitive.