What works for premature ejaculation?

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TheBeard

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Men, or women who have had partners with PE, what in your experience helped? Or conversely, women with partners with delayed ejaculation, or men with delayed ejaculation, what are some characteristics/habits in your experience that people with delayed ejaculation have that others don't?

Looking more for systemic solutions, as opposed to in-the-moment techniques.

Avoiding porn has been a frequent suggestion in the past on here, but I was hoping to get other suggestions as well.

Thanks!

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When I am at my best health wise, my erections are the hardest and my sensitivity is highest, i.e. I reach climax quickly. For me this is a sign of health.
This whole PE hysteria during the last 2 decades does not make any sense. What does premature even mean exactly? If it happens during penetration it is by definition of the biological function not premature. Who defines the healthy duration of sexual intercourse? This is completely absurd in a medical context. If you are ejaculating from the mere sight of a woman, then I might agree to call this pathological, but this is not what people are talking about when they say they suffer from PE.
If heavy alcohol intoxication "improves" your "condition", you might want to reevaluate your interpretation of your situation.


Maybe they are paying for it. ;) This is the only context where it makes sense to me.

Exactly.
You provided the only answer that makes sense.

When you watch animal documentaries, name ONE animal whose intercourse lasts more than 30 seconds total.
A deer's intercourse lasts around 3 seconds, a horse's around 15 seconds.

NO animal was biologically engineered to have long intercourses, it doesn't make sense from a predator/prey perspective.

Long-lasting intercourses are only a thing of modern society and egalitarianism driven by feminism who claim women deserve as much pleasure as men.

Do you have the slightest idea how much effort it requires from a man to have a woman climax? You get drained. You can't even perform regular tasks after that, you need naps on naps on naps.
 

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Exactly.
You provided the only answer that makes sense.

When you watch animal documentaries, name ONE animal whose intercourse lasts more than 30 seconds total.
A deer's intercourse lasts around 3 seconds, a horse's around 15 seconds.

NO animal was biologically engineered to have long intercourses, it doesn't make sense from a predator/prey perspective.

Long-lasting intercourses are only a thing of modern society and egalitarianism driven by feminism who claim women deserve as much pleasure as men.

Do you have the slightest idea how much effort it requires from a man to have a woman climax? You get drained. You can't even perform regular tasks after that, you need naps on naps on naps.
Your perspective is flawed in that humans started "hacking" intercourse for pleasure around 5000 years ago in India,
We are not like other animals, our biopolitics are much more complex than most other species.

Also intercourse is not just a reproductive procedure in humans, it is also an experience of bonding between partners initiated by flirt and coitus, and sealed with the release of oxytocin and many other neurotransmitters/hormones during climax.

While I agree that realistic expectations have been distorted in modern culture, longer intercourse sessions are more fulfilling for both participants(or more :P).

Male animals in nature also eat their own children to repeat coitus with the female, but if you tried that in our society guess what would happen, so stop making pseudo intellectual cases based on flawed logic about primal behaviors that you seem to understand very little about.
 
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Your perspective is flawed in that humans started "hacking" intercourse for pleasure around 5000 years ago in India,
We are not like other animals, our biopolitics are much more complex than most other species.

Also intercourse is not just a reproductive procedure in humans, it is also an experience of bonding between partners initiated by flirt and coitus, and sealed with the release of oxytocin and many other neurotransmitters/hormones during climax.

While I agree that realistic expectations have been distorted in modern culture, longer intercourse sessions are more fulfilling for both participants(or more :P).

Male animals in nature also eat their own children to repeat coitus with the female, but if you tried that in our society guess what would happen, so stop making pseudo intellectual cases based on flawed logic about primal behaviors that you seem to understand very little about.

That wasn't my point.

That tweek may be 5000 years old if you wish, it still is too recent for biology to have adapted.
Hence why a lot of men have quick ejaculations. They shouldn't be blamed for it, they are just the most natural of us.
 

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That wasn't my point.

That tweek may be 5000 years old if you wish, it still is too recent for biology to have adapted.
Hence why a lot of men have quick ejaculations. They shouldn't be blamed for it, they are just the most natural of us.
Still the fact that only around 30% of the population experiences it, and the fact that abuse, trauma and stress is correlated with it doesn't make it seem so natural to me.
 
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Still the fact that only around 30% of the population experiences it, and the fact that abuse, trauma and stress is correlated with it doesn't make it seem so natural to me.

The fact that only a minority of the population has adequate biological response isn't a surprise, the opposite would be.
30% is still a lot. A lot less than that is actually healthy.

When I last checked the majority was unhealthy.
 

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The fact that only a minority of the population has adequate biological response isn't a surprise, the opposite would be.
30% is still a lot. A lot less than that is actually healthy.

When I last checked the majority was unhealthy.
I don't think we mean the same think by PE. PE means ejaculating in 1-2 minutes which completely ruins the experience of intercourse in our culture.

Now if some people think they have PE because they last 10-15 minutes which is absolutely normal, that is because of the distorted expectations we referred to before.

Also a problem doesn't stop being a problem if it used to be natural, dying from tooth infections and having more than half of your children die before the age of 1 was natural back in the day, but today all of this improved because we intervened.
 

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I have yet to find anything that reliably works. My PE definitely started when my health went downhill. PDE5-inhibitors help a bit but I dont use them anymore.
Going to try some AlloP and see if that helps with PE and some other issues.
 
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I don't think we mean the same think by PE. PE means ejaculating in 1-2 minutes which completely ruins the experience of intercourse in our culture.

Now if some people think they have PE because they last 10-15 minutes which is absolutely normal, that is because of the distorted expectations we referred to before.

Also a problem doesn't stop being a problem if it used to be natural, dying from tooth infections and having more than half of your children die before the age of 1 was natural back in the day, but today all of this improved because we intervened.

We do have the same definition of PE.
I was talking about a 1-2 min ejaculation time frame.

My whole argument was that it is natural to ejaculate quickly and there is no issue about that.

It never was a problem. It started being a problem when women started asking for longer intercourses.
Men enjoy just as much an orgasm whether it's quick or long.
 

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We do have the same definition of PE.
I was talking about a 1-2 min ejaculation time frame.

My whole argument was that it is natural to ejaculate quickly and there is no issue about that.

It never was a problem. It started being a problem when women started asking for longer intercourses.
Men enjoy just as much an orgasm whether it's quick or long.

I think the issue for most is that couples want to orgasm at relatively the same time. It is more enjoyable. And at least for me, I used to be in control of when I would finish, now, not so much. Even with masturbation
 

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Alcohol makes me last forever. Complete control. When I was younger and I ate a lot of dairy (calcium) and fruit I had little PE. Dairy lowered my stress hormones. Now I cut out dairy for a good amount of time and I notice I run more on stress hormones and also last less long.

I have had PE a few times. It sucks but I never made a big deal about it for myself. The girls I had it with also did not really. Although most of them I never talked to ever again. Girls want good sex, that is just the truth. If you want to keep them around that is.

It is mostly nerves and excitement for me. What I do notice is some of the girls where I lasted longer made an unconcious deal (I assume) about relaxing me before the sex. They were touching me, stroking my arm, giving small loving gestures to calm me. Like they could feel the tension and wanted to lower it. This was not during the sex. This was just for example sitting on the couch watching a movie.

Touch and loving gestures lower stress hormones as well. So does alcohol. Dairy. Etc. You can probably find a way. In stressful situations of course it is pump & dump. You are under stress.

To me some girls seem to be more feminine and calming. While other girls I noticed I was more stressed around and they were colder, distant, etc. A lot of those girls never touched me. It was a very mechanical and autistic coming together of two persons. No chemistry with those girls.

A majority of the girls that were more cold and distant I did not last long with and had PE with.
 
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Relaxation. Simple as that.

Premature ejaculation is evolutionary tool to prevent us from being eaten by tiger while f***g.

When you feel fear, you will either lose your erection or prematurely ejaculate, so you can focus on protecting your life ASAP.
 

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We do have the same definition of PE.
I was talking about a 1-2 min ejaculation time frame.

My whole argument was that it is natural to ejaculate quickly and there is no issue about that.

It never was a problem. It started being a problem when women started asking for longer intercourses.
Men enjoy just as much an orgasm whether it's quick or long.
Sometimes it is natural to ejaculate quickly, due to such circumstances. If this is repeated daily or every time you start a sex game, then this clearly shows that there are certain problems, either physical or mental.



There are many who want more than one orgasm, and if their partner encounters such problems,then they can't give them any orgasm, not even one, but fortunately for some not all women want long partids of sex.


I contradict you regarding your last statement.
I always liked the orgasms that came after long partids, but also those concomitant with those of the partner.. Not only mentally, but also physically, the difference is major, orgasms after long parties lasted me good seconds, 7-9, much more intense and pleasant ejaculation, the sexual organ maintained in a state of contraction, accompanied by the most pleasant state of arousal throughout orgasm, etc. I felt it all over my body.

And something tells me I'm not the only one who likes longer games.
 

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Your perspective is flawed in that humans started "hacking" intercourse for pleasure around 5000 years ago in India,
We are not like other animals, our biopolitics are much more complex than most other species.
What does that "hacking" even mean? They figured out it was pleasurable to have sex and did so more often then they needed to reproduce? You mean like all other animals do too?
Or are you suggesting that women started selecting men for longer intercourses to implement a new "vitality" sign? This makes also no sense, since women had next to no say in terms of mate selection for most of human history. In addition to that there was no contraception, so at the very first time when she could detect "long" or "short" intercourse, it would already be too late for mate selection.

Also intercourse is not just a reproductive procedure in humans, it is also an experience of bonding between partners initiated by flirt and coitus, and sealed with the release of oxytocin and many other neurotransmitters/hormones during climax.
"Humans are soooo different from animals, therefore opposite laws apply." Very convincing.

Male animals in nature also eat their own children to repeat coitus with the female, but if you tried that in our society guess what would happen, so stop making pseudo intellectual cases based on flawed logic about primal behaviors that you seem to understand very little about.
"Humans are soooo different from animals, therefore opposite laws apply." Again.
Now if some people think they have PE because they last 10-15 minutes which is absolutely normal, that is because of the distorted expectations we referred to before.
Where does that magic number come from? Who defines the "optimal duration"? And please don't tell me survey studies which are known to be soaked with bias towards the current Zeitgeist.
Thank you. I thought that was probably the case. I think it’s good to get aroused slowly and stay aroused for a long time.
Why would you think that? From Ray's work I would expect the opposite. It's like with reaction times or the Achilles tendon reflex or that children can go fast to sleep as well as stay up fast. Literally every principle he talks about I can think of points in the opposite direction.
Relaxation. Simple as that.

Premature ejaculation is evolutionary tool to prevent us from being eaten by tiger while f***g.

When you feel fear, you will either lose your erection or prematurely ejaculate, so you can focus on protecting your life ASAP.
So all animals around the globe are constantly under heavy fear without a tiny break? Even domestic animals like dogs and horses?
 

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So all animals around the globe are constantly under heavy fear without a tiny break? Even domestic animals like dogs and horses?
You can't compare us to animals in this regard. None of these animals have sex just for the purpose of fun, relaxation and mate bonding.
 
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Men, or women who have had partners with PE, what in your experience helped? Or conversely, women with partners with delayed ejaculation, or men with delayed ejaculation, what are some characteristics/habits in your experience that people with delayed ejaculation have that others don't?

Looking more for systemic solutions, as opposed to in-the-moment techniques.

Avoiding porn has been a frequent suggestion in the past on here, but I was hoping to get other suggestions as well.

Thanks!
 

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You can't compare us to animals in this regard. None of these animals have sex just for the purpose of fun, relaxation and mate bonding.
This claim is simply not true. There are animals masturbating and there are species like the bonobo which use intercourse in a way that clearly fits your characterization and lasts on average 13 seconds.
 

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