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What Made You Believe In Ray Peats Work?

  1. I'm interested in how you came to trust and believe in Ray's work. I assume you didn't just jump in, naturally there would be some hesitation since his work is very against the mainstream. Was it keeping an open mind and slowly incorporating his ideas and seeing positive results?
     
  2. So easy question. No one looks at the whole picture like Ray Peat does and I have studied over the years the work of a lot of people.. Only Ray makes me realise how human body really works and whats needs to be done. Without dogma, personal preference etc.. I can't apply everything what he suggests 100%. But at least 90% he's on point. :bow
     
  3. It's easy: Ray negate all what's in mainstream media/medicine/propaganda. It's visible to all that mainstream medicine does not go forward - there is more and more deahts from cancer and other neurodegenerative diseases, so something must be wrong with the way we eat/work/etc.
     
  4. His work with balancing hormones. I had severe estrogen dominance problems a few years ago. I am positive that if I had not stumbled upon Peats articles that I would now be minus several internal organs. His work has helped me better balance my hormones with diet and a few supplements-mainly progest e. It's not perfect but I am functioning 80% better than I was 3 years ago.
     
  5. Philosophically, he's an empiricist, so he approaches science with no preconceived notions other than that there exists something and that he perceives it. This is an essential mindset to have if one wishes to seek truth.
     
  6. His articles on MS. Had I not found his work, I might not be walking today. I do not fear a relapse anymore. :carrot2
     
  7. I don't trust his work by default - I still do my best to read everything with fresh eyes. I follow his work because he is a skilled life-long researcher who has systems thinking skills beyond most others.
     
  8. High prolactin issues initially but reading his work explained 90% of the health problems I'd experienced and pointed toward reasonable solutions to resolving those problems.
     
  9. his hair and sunglasses
     
  10. A couple reasons. I came across Josh Rubin from East West Healing on YouTube. And his whole philosophy for treating people was based off the work of Ray Peat. Then I came across Danny Roddy and he seemed to have a lot of success with implementing Ray's work.

    As I read into Ray's work, I realized he is a very selfless man. He gives unconditionally. He provides information and even responds to emails because he wants to educate and help people. Every other health guru I had come across was either selling something or had holes in their philosophy. Ray's work just made sense to me. I had been eating salads for a couple years, despite hating the taste of them because I was told it was healthy. I also tried a low-carb diet which didn't work. Ray's work seemed complete, and the fact that there are multiple forums solely dedicated to his work only strengthened this belief. Despite spending years not succeeding on this diet, I knew it was me and not the protocol. I think one can go on and on about why they believe in Ray's work. He is a genius.

    I was vegan at the time and I was freezing cold. I remember looking at eggs and bacon and saying "Wow, I miss that and there is probably a good reason." I jumped right in to Ray's diet and haven't considered anything else since I came across it 3 years ago.
     
  11. He is a humble man. He is not trying to profit from a book deal or supplements. His work is based on science, balancing of hormones and healing from a cellular level. He does not adhere to main stream dogma nor is he afraid of being controversial.

    When I read his work, I read all day and the next. You know how something just rings true even if it goes against the grain of all other recommendations....that is Ray Peat. I feel like he speaks the truth as he knows it. He is like a wise father who is not influenced by anything other than the science. His depth of knowledge is incredible. After implementing some of his recommendation and seeing improvement in energy and sleep I knew I could move forward with confidence I was on the right path.
     
  12. To be honest, I just feel good eating the foods he recommends (though I'd agree there's no prototypal Peat diet), but also it's really heartwarming to see a nutritionist these days publish such articles and respond to emails so selflessly.
     
  13. He's the only one who comes with a reasonable explanation on the mystery of why Gerson could never give any kind of oils to his cancer patients.

    I mean even Charlotte Gerson could never explain the oil problem.

    Her father did incorporate the flaxseed empirically right at the end of his life, and Charlotte interpreted it as the beneficial effect of the omega 3, when in fact it's the CBD and LINMARIN (a hydrogen cyanide compound) contained in flaxseed which have the anti-cancer effects.
     
  14. It was suggested by one guy in a Yahoo group about 10 years ago. We were discussing W Price work so we were already aware of the benefits of saturated fats and we looked at PUFAs with suspicion. Peat's work was also quite aligned with other authors like Dr Wong (pro testosterone and progesterone and anti estrogen) but in general Peat could explain a lot better. I was quite amazed by how he referenced all his writings, and that he was not actually selling anything. Most of us were on some kind of lowish carb diet (not too low if you think that we were very pro W Price too). At that time Peat's recommendations were interpreted by us as moderate carb, moderate fat and protein, so it was not crazy at all. We were also aware of some of Selye's work so Peat fitted well there too. In the end, Peat was the only one providing, or trying at least to provide, a general view of health while most others could only see a part of the picture and not make a coherent whole. One of the guys in this group was who introduced Peat's work to this blogger in 180degree (I think he changed the blog name afterwards).
     
  15. If Peat put any real effort into selling any product or trying to make money, I would have distrusted him completely.

    I wonder if he looks at people making money by stealing his ideas as hyenas, or perhaps he just feels sorry for them as unoriginal members of the species.
     
  16. I don't believe in his work.

    What has made me so enthusiastic about his work is that I recognize that he's the kind of person to disregard all dogma and never really arrive at a solid conclusion. Always willing to question previous conclusions. Not denying any possibility for the sake of one's ego. He's an INTP and I love INTPs. I also happen to be a proud INTP.

    Plus that he's got such a deep understanding of so many things. A depth that most people will never recognize because they are not interested in having a perfect knowledge for its own sake.
     
  17. That thyroid is the main regulator of metabolism and his emphasis on that. It is so fundamentally sensible. Every cell has to make its own energy, that is the biochemical basis of all life and there is no plan B. I am sometimes surprised that so few health "gurus" even mention it, much less emphasize it.

    The truth about PUFAs. There is a broad question of "What changed in the 20th century that caused all this illness and disease?" Ancel Keys fraudulently asserted it was an increase in saturated fat consumption. Another guy asserted it was an increase in sugar consumption. We've suffered under these erroneous ideas for 50 years now.

    A good alternative is an increase in the consumption of refined oil high in PUFAs. In 1900 you couldn't buy a bottle of corn oil, or safflower oil, etc. Nobody made it. People used lard or tallow for frying and butter for baking, and olive oil, coconut oil, and palm oil in regions that produced those.

    I agree with the salesmanship aspect of many health gurus. But I would love to read RP's books and old newsletters, I'd be happy to buy them if he would make them available. Grrr.
     
  18. Such a good post, Bing!
     
  19. Yea Josh rubin charges $1000 for a consult and he's basically just using all of Rays ideas. Ugh.

    Ray Peat is the opposite of a health guru, he refuses to make a diet plan or way of eating and instead gives you the tools to figure it out for yourself. He does not expect or ask for anything in return and provides all of his work for free. Those were the first reasons I came to trust and follow his work. It really made me see just how big of charlatans Mark Sisson and others of his ilk are. Unwilling to change views in the face or contradicting evidence because it will make their wallet suffer.

    Plus I have found MOST of his ideas spot on for me. He made me think of the bodies many systems and how food interacts with them in a whole new light.
     
  20. :salute
     
  21. After about 4 years of deteriorating health in general, my interpretations of his ideas are the only ones that have ever seemed to have real benefits for me. I'm not where I want to be yet, but some days (becoming more often) I feel like the clock has been turned back for me health wise, as if I'd woken up as an 18 year old again.

    Most other diets I followed made me actually feel worse or had no effect, yet I kept implementing them because they were general common sense. It makes me smile the amount of people in work who say to me "You can't drink that much milk every day!" and when I reply with why, the answer is always..."Because it's bad for you!" to which I reply again with why, to which the answer is always the same..."Because it is!".

    I think the most valuable thing I've ever interpreted from Peats ideas is to get in touch with your body and listen to it...if it's saying something is bad, it almost always is, your body is much smarter than your brain when it comes to such matters.
     
  22. Pretty much this.
     
  23. More salt and carrot fibre made a huge difference for me. So much so that I dived even deeper and got hooked on how much influence we can have over our own physiology. No longer did I believe that things were hopelessly predetermined and genetically programed. That we indeed do have the tools to help ourselves.
     
  24. The fact that I feel better than I have since probably childhood. I was extremely skeptical when I first came across his ideas on a paleo forum-the sugar and Mexican cola was an instant turn-off-but I slowly began to try some of his ideas, and now here I am. Almost everything is better- digestion, mood, I never get sick, I eat to satiety and don't get cravings, etc. My life is totally different than it was a few years ago. I've tried many "common sense" ways of eating and they all worked for a bit and then went downhill, or didn't work at all. I've been following Peat the longest and can't foresee myself drastically changing anytime soon, unless my health starts dramatically deteriorating.

    His ideas go against all "common sense" and mainstream ideas of health. But obviously, the mainstream ideas of health are not working for people. And his ideas have helped me enormously.
     
  25. I knew Ray was legit as soon as I landed on his site.

    For a long time I had been trying to understand my hormones and why I was having certain symptoms - premenstrual acne, low energy (had to always nap if I went out during the day), increasing irritability and inability to handle even small stresses. I was going to an ND who couldn't give me satisfactory answers. I had long given up on GPs, way back in my teens. The last straw was my ND giving me plant estrogen supplements. Well even I knew that estrogen was bad. And at that point I had already tried many useless diets, supplements.

    When I found Ray's site suddenly everything made sense. Nobody had even come close to connecting my issues to low thyroid, and high estrogen/low progesterone, etc. (even though I only have half my thyroid!!!) and I had been seeing "the best" ND in my country as well as endocrinologists before that. I knew Ray had the truth right away, even before I started experimenting on myself with his recommendations.

    I love this quote from the Vision & Acceptance interview also:

    "More than 50 years ago, I realized that the US culture had become effectively totalitarian, with decorations, and even the decorations were being fixed by the specialists (the Congress for Cultural Freedom, for example). I went through a series of graduate studies and projects looking for places where reality could influence the culture, rather than being obliterated by it. The academic culture, though, was rapidly changing for the worse. Over a period of a few years I happened to see a few people recover immediately from what doctors had considered incurable problems, using simple and inexpensive methods, and then I realized that some people were willing to discard their old ideas when those conflicted with useful facts, especially when the useful facts could save their life." - Ray Peat

    Ray is about so much more than health.
     
  26. I realized his recommended foods were the ones I grew up on. My family is very healthy and I used to be too.
    I appreciate and value not being talked down to. Have stopped reading /listening to those who do.
    I love the freedom from health clutter and theories. Now that I know something about how the body actually works I no longer need to waste my time considering theories not based on physiology. And can spend my time finding out more of the truth which I believe sets you free.
     
  27. Applying his work has totally cured my arthritis, anxiety and learned helplessness. It's completely changed my life. I was jumping from diet to diet every year for the last decade looking for a solution, but since I found his work and haven't had a single arthritis issue.
     
  28. For me it was that he was the first person I read who could explain why I had such strong cravings for things like sugar and salt and ice cream, and why they made me feel so much better when I ate them. Just before I discovered Peat, I was coming to the conclusion, on my own, that restricting these things was unhealthy, despite everything else I had been taught, but I didn't trust my own instincts enough to act on it. Once I read Peat, I instantly saw so many connections between what I observed in practice and what he was writing, and it just made sense to me, and gave me the confidence to start listening to my body more, and I've seen regular improvements ever since.
     
  29. For me, when I saw bag breathing and coconut oil make me breath heavily with pink face :joyful:
     
  30. I had bad reactions to fish oil, and Peat was the only one arguing against it at the time on some obscure mailing list...
     
  31. I heard about Ray Peat in the Mark's Daily Apple forums, so I took a look at his articles. I was deeply struck by what Ray said about hypothyroidism being the cause of all the degenerative diseases, because even though I felt pretty good and was as slim as I had ever been, my feet were ice-cold at night, my heart rate was low (60), and my hair was falling out. I self-diagnosed and fixed my hypothyroidism myself, using Ray's ideas. There is no going back.

    I often say to my mother, who has been greatly helped by Ray, "What would we have done if we hadn't found Peat?" At the mercy of the medical system! Eating the canola oil! It's a scary thought.
     
  32. I knew he was on to something when I pretty much cured my hypoglycemia simply by drinking OJ first thing in the morning.
     
  33. limiting pufa and embracing carbs made me feel so much better right away
     
  34. What I was doing wasn't working for me, so I started making some minor adjustments based on what I've read on the science and comments here. I'll see where it leads to.
     
  35. I got diabetes like symptoms on a paleo diet and this puzzled me so much that I sat down and searched for information for hours on the net. Also could not understand why seal oil felt like poison.
     
  36. Many, many years of trying to figure out what underlying principle I was missing led me to Dr Peat. Why did some things work for some people and not for others? Then, slowly, very slowly the fundamentals became clear and then the hard work of application, trial and error, understanding and misunderstanding, piecing it all together, joining the dots, really began. Oh and did I mention it revolutionised my own health, thinking, perspective as a bi-product! And I no longer tell people what to do any more. I can not begin to express my gratitude to Dr Peat and the amazing pieces that I have gleaned from this wonderful forum. Truly life changing.
    Sincerely
    Sheila
     
  37. The improvement in vision with serotonin antagonists, PUFA avoidance, and thyroid supplementation made me trust Peat's serotonin hypothesis.
     
  38. I was losing my hair and has pretty much given up hope. I was on the brink of taking a razor to my head, when I saw some mention Roddy / Peat on the Bulletproof Diet guy's forum. People were laughing and making fun of the ideas, but in my desperation I read Hair Like A Fox twice in one night. I was baffled.

    Being on keto and listening to the Bulletproof guy's podcast / reading all his articles had taught me a lot about biology, so when I read the book, I understood a lot of the things he was talking about, and the ideas were very cohesive with the information I already had.

    I feel like Dr. Peat's work is for anyone who's tried everything else, and learned along the way. I'm sure it seems overwhelming to someone who eats fast food all the time and has never considered themselves 'health conscious', but to an amateur nutrition researcher, it was eye opening and I had to dig deeper. The more and more I read, the more I found ideas that fit perfectly with ones I had already read about. It was like I had an incomplete puzzle, and Dr. Peat's work filled in all the gaps.
     
  39. I think Ray Peat is absolutely right, and that poses a lot of problems for both humanity, society and the medical system.

    I think the PUFA stuff is dead on the money. I mean, they are fragile oils that heat up and oxidise in the body. It's basic. Even wheat farmers know that the oils they extract from oats, etc go rancid the more PUFA content is in the oil. Yet, we have the global heart foundations pushing this stuff like a confederacy of gangsters. I would donate money to a terrorist group to destroy the heart foundations of the world. It would be a philanthropic act.

    As for the cancer stuff, that is the most depressing. How long will researchers ignore metabolism? How much longer will people needlessly die? For how much longer will chemo continue? I hope Ray is wrong, because the truth is horrible.

    Thank God be recommends eating sugar, I would be too serotonergic and depressed by the authoritarian reality of our crummy society to function. Ray's sugar advice was the best thing for my anxiety, coupled with a bit of salt, brought my long term adrenaline issues under control.

    ...I feel like I should start publishing pamphlets of Ray's writings and promote efforts to overthrow the dominance of the medical system. I'm shocked even the radical left aren't more interested, no independent journalists are looking to explore Ray's assertions at all. It's seen as a conspiracy, but it is in plain sight. It's an ongoing horror.
     
  40. I've had this strange feeling recently that when I speak to friends about health or medicine, it's like I'm in a dream, and no one around me is making sense, and I try to raise a question, or introduce doubt, and there is just silence or confused faces looking at me like I'm insane or not completely following the direction of the conversation.... I felt like I should probably see a psychiatrist, because Ray's writings and way of thinking about the world is so clear and reasonable and logical (and evidenced!) that to be in a conversation with dogmatic people makes me feel insane. I feel like I need to go off into the mountains for a while.
     
  41. Yeah, I told the girlfriend of my friend that she shouldn't supplement iron because it's toxic. She started to cry because I had made her insecure. In the end I had to apologize to her.
     
  42. Did it sound like, "Sorry, I didn't mean to suggest that iron is toxic, don't worry about it, you should just keep doing what your medical practitioner has recommended" ?

    Don't wake the sleepers.
     
  43. That's exactly how it sounded
     
  44. Do you notice that the more syndromes come about as a result of metabolic sickness and deterioration, the more tax-free charities pop up to raise awareness and create fundraising initiatives to "find a cure"?

    This model contains no actual goal of finding a cure for anything. It seems to be, on the contrary, a form of lobbying that promotes the idea of the syndrome as being pervasive, devastating, and thereby, requiring greater and greater reliance on medicalisation to treat.
     
  45. It working
     
  46. Ray was the only voice I had come across that had a coherent integrated outlook on things. All the dogmas I'd encountered had no rhyme or reason to them, and always seemed irrational and disconnected from big aspects of the human experience. I don't see, for example, why so many sheep can believe so easily the assertions about sugar simply being "addictive" - the implication is that such fundamental taste and instinct would be bad for us... like the early Church Fathers' views on the inherent sin of pleasures. When I read Ray, his perception and thought quality was many orders more integrative than everyone else. But the first thing that attracted me was a testimonial of someone who was thriving 8 months into Peat diet stuff.
    I still don't understand how these things don't strike so may other people and pique their interest. I watch with the feeling that they have defective brain function somehow.
     
  47. I hope Ray Peat reads this thread one day.
     
  48. Great bump.
    I came on board in stages. First, I saw a few messages on an HFLC site where people warned that that would lower metabolism and could destroy some people's capacity for basics like sleep, calm, bright outlook, health problems. At that stage I ran into a Peaty supply-list that showed paper lunch bags, an "altitude" training mask, a big bucket of magnesium flakes, a tank of co2 with hoses and a regulator, and products from the aquarium aisle. "Kooky," I thought. I saw a pic of younger Ray Peat [the one on his website] and I thought he was cool looking with that shock of dark hair standing up and kind of a haughty look, and eyeglasses. Still thinking kooky.

    HFLC had been good for my brain, but my basic capacities were trashed. The usual complaints. My encounters with basic care physicians had been terrible. One spring I was googling "how to bring down adrenaline" and I clicked RP's site & started reading about winter sickness. From the first dose of salt I realized that that Big Gap in my thinking about health matters--that mitigating stress had to be simple [if not easy] b/c stress was everywhere and medicine/pharma was never helping, I later could add, "pretty cheap, and available to everyone"--was really a Big Gap in my thinking about reality whole. I read his articles on salt and sugar, but I was struggling with where RP's view fit how I saw the world. It didn't.

    Then I had my first good night's sleep in decades. I can't forget what it felt like to wake up feeling like a child completely restored and with huge potential. The calm! The wakefulness just gently rising. The basic techniques were working, but I didn't know why.

    Next, I ran into a summary of Mae Wan-Ho's work and I can't forget the moment that RP's view of physical biology just snapped into place for me. I don't understand it all, but I "got it" in general. After that, my worldview of physical reality had to be rebuilt by me, with help from the articles, interviews, other sources. For several months I was just trying to adjust my thinking. I went on a lot of walks in the woods and my mind slowly adjusted.

    Among the hardest steps were getting over sugar-phobia, giving up on primary care medical services completely, and rebuilding a low-adrenaline life in a high-adrenaline world. In the first instance my mind was corrupted, in the second I had to walk myself through the tools I had and what I would do if I found myself very ill or in a lot of pain. The third I still struggle with b/c I haven't met anyone who is not Peaty who doesn't seem very driven, but desperate for answers [but mostly rejecting sugar, salt, and self-confidence in basic health maintenance], and, well, serotonized, estrogenized. I've become alien in my old world. Still working on it. And that great night's sleep? I still chase that state.
     
  49. [QUOTE="BingDing, post: 80043, member: 293"Ancel Keys fraudulently asserted it was an increase in saturated fat consumption. Another guy asserted it was an increase in sugar consumption. [/QUOTE]

    Anyone know the name of this other guy? I'm curious, thanks!
     
  50. ProgestE
     
  51. Prostate Cancer

    prostate cancer, finasteride and the truth that testosterone and DHT are helpful,
    and the fact people with the most dht don't have prostate cancer
     
  52. Because two years of basing my diet on whole grains instead of sugars, 'healthy PUFA's' at the expense of saturated fat, and lots of fiber as opposed to easily digestible foods left me falling apart and barely able to function at all. Ray's work seemed, and still seems to me, to be the most complete 'universal theory' on nutrition and health that I've encountered, and to my knowledge the only one which really operates on the premise of promoting the genesis of protective hormones and metabolic health. Putting his ideas into practice have slowly but surely helped me on the road to recovery.
     
  53. Haven't had a cold since making orange juice one of my dietary staples :)
     
  54. +1 :D

    I haven't been able to catch a cold since finding Peat's work by using a combo of ac/carrot salad on a regular basis.
     
  55. Same here, I've been in close contact with numerous ill people and come away completely fine. Usually I'd have been bed ridden
     
  56. @theLaw @Stramonium @Soundios - come to think of it, neither I nor my husband have either since we started Ray Peat Inspired diet 2 1/2 yrs ago. I had totally forgotten until you guys mentioned it.
     
  57. Anyone called a "quack" gets my attention :)
     
  58. I learned my lesson long ago not to judge a book by its cover. It's the ideas that the book represents that appeals to me. Ray's ideas are well-thought out, and shows that he comprehends his subject matter. It has depth, yet he is able to put them together that isn't dumbed down yet has a coherence. Maybe it's because it's easy to cross-reference these days with the internet that, with patience, I can internalize what he's saying. I think it helps also that I was already open to questioning popular ideas, although I still have a tendency to brand certain people as kooks. It's just that Ray Peat also has an element of purity in him, that I can trust that he has no investment in needing to be right. That he encourages one to question, and not to simply trust someone because he is an "expert," makes him more credible. I know he is a person I can learn a lot from. Being able to see things with an open mind, with a critical lens, that is what appeals to me most with Ray. With this attitude, I'm open to new insights and approaches not just to health, but to the vagaries and duplicity of life itself.

    The most I have gained is the understanding that I am not helplessly a product of my genetic predisposition to disease, and am a product of the environment and lifestyle, a lot of which is programmed, and from which I have to break free of.
     
  59. His thorough demolition of popular approaches in health circles.

    His work makes all other ideas on health I'd come across previously look pathetically superficial.

    And the drugs he recommends have a much longer track record of use and more research behind them than the modern poisons I'd been prescribed, so I feel safer using them.
     

  60. Wow. That's rather shameless.
     
  61. He's right about pharmacology. Drugs that fall in align with his paradigm have the fewest and least severe side effects.

    Also, if I take enough pregnenolone, I get high. If I just keep taking it, it always happens. I've tried this repeatedly. Sometimes gram's become necessary (and maybe some caffeine), but there's always the high.

    Just looking around you see somewhat deformed, acne-riddled people with odd ideologies who giggle at everything (even men), and you just have to wonder if something's wrong hormonally. Larger, more attractive people have a noticeable "center," and this aligns with Dr. Peat as well. He has a noticeably deep voice despite never smoking.

    He also proof-reads everything he writes. I've seen almost no typos in tens of thousands of words of his content.

    This. I'm also skeptical of anyone promoted by our degenerate institutions.
     
  62. Fundamentally, I began to trust him because he clearly exemplifies what I think a scientist should be. He is a generalist, not a specialist, and makes every attempt to integrate his work with a comprehensive vision of politics, human nature, and philosophy. In particular, I was impressed with his writings on William Blake, and decided to read more because I realized that he was the kind of man who would use his understanding of nutrition to support a life of the mind, which is exactly what I've always wanted to do.

    I had been convinced a long time ago that attitudes toward food, and food preferences, were a kind of metaphysics, or even religion -- not at all arbitrary, but rather, implying specific attitudes about the nature of life itself. As a corollary, I thought food policy must be a form of social control, meaning that biological functioning of modern human beings had been deliberately compromised for political reasons. These were just intuitions; I had no theoretical understanding of what, in practice, this meant, and didn't even know where to begin thinking about it, because there was simply so much highly technical information to sort through, and so many competing, mutually exclusive theories about what optimal nutrition was. I had tried many of these diets with little to no success; finally, RP's brilliant work gave me the starting point I was looking for.
     
  63. First and foremost, results. Every other health thing I've tried has always said "no pain no gain" and "it gets worse before it gets better" except the "gain" and "better" never come.

    Second, his personality: I have seen no trace of greed, crude jokes, belittling of others, arrogance, narrow-mindedness or anything of such a sort which seems to be so common among everyone else who gives health advice. He never has the audacity to call himself a "coach" or a "guru" and doesn't even refer to himself as "Dr." Having such a "saintly" (for lack of a better word), humble personality while still having enough confidence in his work to consistently defy the mainstream and get called a quack, and being shown to be correct by the mainstream (not that he needs mainstream approval) 20-30 years after he first suggested his ideas: all these traits are signs of extreme intelligence/genius who is decades ahead of the curve in my opinion. I actually kind of look up to him as a person, in addition to looking up to his work as a scientist.
     
  64. :goodpost
     
  65. I agree +1
     
  66. I love RP and he has improved my health mightedly but i still get colds at least once a year in Chicago.
     
  67. Might be the difference of climate. We live in Dallas - basically nice weather all year round. Chicago seems extreme weather in comparison. If you are only getting one cold, I would consider that fantastic.
     
  68. I agree. I get 1-2 typically and i know what the culprit was for me this past time. I have trouble controlling myself when i lift weights lol. I go too hard and have a tendency to push myself past the limit. My workouts have been too demanding and taxing lately. I could feel the cortisol rise, etc. Combine that with frigid conditions, not enough sunlight, some drinking saturday etc, and it becomes hard to blame Peat's brilliant views lol. You live and you learn.
     
  69. TOTALLY ❤️
     
  70. mainly haidut and his rigorous posting of studies
     
  71. Physical and mental issues that had plagued most of my adult life had finally started to erode even most basic functions. I barely had the energy to get out of bed. Trying to fix myself over 2-3 years with accepted 'healthy' dietary practices in various forms actually sped up the degenerative process. I'd tried a low-carb paleo approach in the past but that left me unable to form a coherent sentence, let alone perform any other higher functioning mental or arduous physical tasks. The difference was that back then some carbs would reverse that in a short space of time. When I found Peat (mid 2017) I was in a bad situation that I couldn't pull myself out of and was only getting worse.

    Upon finding Peat, and in the worst physical (and in some ways mental) health of my life, the consistent basis of my lifestyle was:
    Avoidance of sugar
    Whole grains/complex carbs only
    low saturated/high pufa intake
    low coffee consumption
    Lots of vegetables
    low fructose
    Less animal protein
    High fiber
    High Iron
    Etc.

    Basically doing everything 'right' from mainstream nutrition/medicine point of view.

    Most people disregard Peat when they first read his stuff but it spoke to me in a very direct way because it described EXACTLY how and why, from a biochemical perspective, the foods I was consuming despite being 'health foods' were destroying me. To say it was an epiphany would almost be an understatement.

    The fact that my health has massively improved is the confirmation that he's right in practice as well as in theory.
     
  72. My health had been slowing breaking down since my teen years, and I began suffering deep fatigue and headaches about 2012. After trying various obvious attempts to solve the problem, then losing a couple jobs because of health issues, I broke down one day in front of my roommate. He had been researching Peat to address his own issues, and his previous attempt to get me to read Peat ended with me saying, "Don't even tell me about it. I don't want to hear about some guy you read on the internet who's telling you to eat more sugar. I don't want to get diabetes."

    He graciously persisted when it became clear that I needed help, and I read some Peat, Broda Barnes, and Danny Roddy. I was surprised at how reasonable everyone seemed, and how everything they said made sense, and found that they described my symptoms exactly (especially Barnes). So I was willing to try some nutritional changes, which had immediate effect (and satisfied repressed cravings). It took a long time to get sustainable help, but I knew I was on the right track.

    At the same time, I began studying other aspects of health and wellness, such as stress and psychology, and found that they all seemed to cohere well when seen from a bioenergetic perspective. So the balance helped strengthen my trust in the philosophy as well.
     
  73. His work is coherent. Nothing is unconnected to anything else, there are no paradoxes, and it is underpinned by studies/experiments. Contrast this with something like low carb dogmas where people say inherently contradictory things like, "Cortisol is anti-inflammatory, increases alertness and focus, and dissolves fat, but reduce your stress levels because high cortisol levels age you." The logic fallacies of correlation or inverting causation don't seem to be made (IE, the idea that sugar causes diabetes brought about by the observation that diabetics have trouble regulating blood sugar).
     
  74. I've been following Ray's work for about 7 years now. Before Ray, I tried dozens of diets and protocols to fix my hormonal problems. Being a skeptic, I was cautious with following Ray's interpretations of studies, etc... But when I began taking biochemistry and physiology courses in college, I quickly realized that much of what Ray was saying was accurate.

    I'm still skeptical of some of Ray's conclusions (for example: whether all gut pesorption is bad or not) but for the most part he is correct. As Chris Masterjohn said, he does not take everything Ray says at face value, and he feels that some of Ray's interpretations of studies are off base. However, he said without Ray, he would have never found the interesting and compelling research from the early 1900s that described the history of how the EFA theory began and why PUFA is damaging. This is the same way I feel. Ray has so much knowledge of past and present research, that he presents ideas to us that we would have never thought of.

    I am a Registered Dietitian and I work in a clinical setting. I believe that nutrition and lifestyle interventions have the capacity to provide more healing than most drugs do. Since I started in my career it always bothered me that my peers' pursuit for nutritional knowledge was always so limited. They never seemed to want to go deeper in the science. And the professors seem to not want us to question the status quo. It always seemed elementary to me, like the field of nutrition has not progressed much past the 1950s. When I took biochemistry and physiology courses, I realized that other sciences were decades ahead of nutrition courses in terms of what conclusions can be drawn about nutrition and physiology.

    When I found Ray's work, a whole new world of ideas came to me. To quote Ray "we have only scratched the surface of what we know about nutrition." People like Chris Masterjohn have said similar in stating that we don't even yet know all the nutrients in food, let alone the synergy they have in food. This is why food beats supplements and drugs, hands down.

    Ray opened me up to the destructive nature of PUFA, which I believe that the mounting evidence over the last 20 years or so show is indisputable. There are now hundreds of studies that show this to be true. Many of these studies, which are cited by researchers to prove that saturated fat is bad, actually show the opposite to be true. The problem is that for researchers to see the destruction PUFA creates, it takes a longitudinal study of about 8 years in humans.

    There are many more reasons why I believe in Peats work, but one of the main ones is that he is standing on the shoulders of giants. Szent Giorgi, Otto Warburg, Phillip Randle, Gilbert Ling, and many other were geniuses and nearly nobody refutes their work. IMO it's not enough to read Ray's work to get the full grasp. When you read some of the work of others he often cites, you can see the big picture a little clearer.
     
  75. Excellent @Steven Smith and welcome.
     
  76. Frustration. I was cutting salt not to get bloated. Cramps. Swelling. Pain.
    Then I thought, what if this guy is right, what if the problem of too much (salt) was a problem of not enough?
    And off we went to the land of milk and OJ. I grew a couple of centimeters in my mid/late twenties, hehe. Good times. He also taught me about what it means to be non-authoritarian. After reading his work, I use that as the first tell-tale of a person with competence.
     
  77. His words on fish oil, PUFA, and lipofuscin matched my symptoms to a T.

    I still don't think he's right about everything, but he's definitely very right about many things.
     
  78. Hello to all,

    this is my first post, and I will answer the question and present myself a bit by the same occasion.

    I have been practising naturotherapy in France since 2003. My own observations lead me to think the official views and recommendations about lipids and EFAs/PUFAs were very wrong. I noticed how people using supplements of omégas 3 and 6, or simply eating a lot of PUFAs had more health issues than the others. By raising their intake of EFAs they followed classic recommendations, but most of the time the problems they wanted to solve did not disappear with such a diet, they got worse with time and other problems appeared.

    I observed raising EFAs intake caused immunity problems (sinusitis etc), digestive issues such as intolerances, inflammatory tendancies becoming chronic, and fatigue and depression with time. Sometimes it even caused breathing insufficiency symptoms. These observations were so far from the claims that EFAs are anti-inflammatory, treat depression etc !

    I myself used a lot of substances rich in PUFAs in my diet, and for many years, to try to get healthier. I had as a teenager some important health issues concerning the liver and the thyroid among others (caused by Hepatitis B vaccination mixed with Roaccutane treatments).

    When I observed that EFAs were not giving any benefits around me, but were making health worse, I stopped using them for myself, and my health improved. I made then some research on the internet, and found a few opinions about the toxicity of the PUFAs. I was surprised and at the same time very happy to find Ray Peat articles on the subject. I took that as a confirmation to my sentiment about the classic recommendations being not logical, not safe and not wise at all.

    I was forced to completely stop any EFA-rich food in 2010 when I almost died because of an experiment that made me accidentally ingest 1g of pure calcium in the form of EAP. For the year following this accident I could not eat the slightest dose of oil, even a macadamia nut, without feeling atroceous anxiety. The ONLY concentrated lipid that I could eat for one year was butter. Later I could reintroduce olive oil and oils that are at least 75% oleic acid (the safest oils). Oleic acid is the main lipidic acid in our bodies.

    I don't agree with each one of Peat's declaration, but I value his views and opinions a lot, and find that they are always worth considering. For example, I found that vitamine E supplements have obvious side-effects, and I would not recommend them, even if it is a lipid-free form. I agree with studies claiming vitamin E supplementation causes problems and that we should avoid it. Anyway, we should never take any mono-vitamine, or mono-mineral supplement, because of the interdependances. This always leads to disorders and unbalances. The only exception is vitamin C because it does not depend on co-factors like the others. Some of Peat's recommendations are very extreme and not necessary to be or stay in good health, in my opinion. I had some mail exchange with him, and made french translation of the articles about fats, if anyone interested.

    At the moment I rediscover the importance of eating enough saturated fats, and I may write a book about the PUFAs toxicity in order to have it published in France. I think this subject is the most critical and misunderstood in the diet world, and that it certainly deserves a book. Too many people have damaged their health or even died prematurely because they simply wanted to get healthy by following the official irresponsible recommendations.

    Kind Regards
    Richard Jehl
     
  79. Thank you for this post. I also feel informing people about PUFA and not demonizing fructose are a few important contributions from Ray.
     
  80. I don't remember exactly what Ray wrote about fructose, but for sure there is no need for demonizing it, as long as it is natural food content. But people with fragile digestive system often tend to get negative symptoms with fruits richer in fructose, as cantaloupe. And without any doubt to me, the best honeys (in terms of taste as well as therapeutic efficiency) are those richer in glucose (the richer they are in glucose versus fructose, the more easily they cristallize). I am aware some studies suggest fructose has some bad health effects. According to my experience I simply would not recommmend fructose pure powder. Anyway simple sugars should be brought with the nutrients they are associated with in nature. Honey is not very rich in nutrients other than sugars (at least in a quantity perspective) but molasses for example are so good and so rich in needed nutrients ;-)
     
  81. I broke a week long water fast late last year - this was a last ditch effort to try and clean up some bad health issues (allergies, joint pain, indigestion, depression, insomnia etc etc)... I had used fasts before to fix me up whenever I was feeling off, they always seemed to do more good than harm - but I usually kept them shorter to around 3 days. For many years I practiced calorie restriction and intermittent fasting and low sugar. There was a night after breaking the fast I also recall supplementing tryptophan as a sleep aid (a foolish attempt to try to help beat the blues), I fell asleep fast but woke up feeling just miserable the next day- it made me start to seriously question the value of tryptophan / serotonin; in all my years of supplementing with tyrosine/tryptophan combo (as is commonly suggested by various health gurus) I would always end up shying away from the tryptophan - the theory of it balancing out the serotonin made sense to me at the time but I never experienced the results.... I would begrudgingly take it and think to myself (gee I hope my reserves are going to balance out soon). Sigh...

    Coming out of the fast I did not feel so great, the joint pain was gone but everything else seemed to have become worse, it was a huge let down, I then noticed my oral temperature was not going over 97.6 or so all day long, this persisted for weeks. When I broke the fast the first things I craved were cottage cheese and orange juice, the craving persisted for weeks - it was a bit odd for me - neither items were on my daily menu before. So one day I was wondering if anyone else had the same cravings / what it all meant - I typed in a silly question to google like 'i'm depressed, low metabolism, why do i always want to eat cottage cheese' this took me to the works of Ray Peat. I read for many days and it all made so much sense to me - I told myself: look you have been low calorie, low appetite, low sugar for so long and have nothing good to show for it (aside from not being obese)- let's try the opposite.

    Another interesting tidbit is I have always craved aspirin, I have loved it for decades now, I always have felt better on it - but I was so afraid to use it for long stretches because of all of the propaganda. I think it was reading RP writings on aspirin that specifically convinced me this man is a genius.

    The status-quo model of what is good and is not good for you is completely broken, if it weren't broken forums like this would not exist. It is obvious to me true health must be very far from that model and RP is the one I have found to present the most convincing and practicable - results driven - easy to achieve re-modeling so to speak.
     
  82. What a powerful story @Captain_Coconut. It is so interesting the pervasive belief that fasting is the answer. I am thrilled for you and your deep clarity for yourself.
     
  83. Funny enough, after all the stuff I have tried, I think it was Manuka honey that turned the corner on my upper GI stress...originally created from long standing bacterial infection from living in India.

    I agree 100% with you about eating food and I might have better said fructose/sucrose or simply “sugar”. I can not even imagine for myself fructose powder. I also shy away from white sugar and lean towards maple syrup and honey and occasionally cane sugar. I have never acquired a taste for molasses. Maybe one day I will try again - lol.
     
  84. These words are resonating with me. I was not asleep, but I am even more awake now.
     
  85. His pod casts offer so much evidence based research and his lifetime dedication to seeking out longevity is amazing. I can't read or listen fast enough to tge YouTube videos.
     
  86. The theory seems sound overall and the diet too, but I'm starting to disbelieve in ray's work, just because I have been hoping for so long that it will help me, and my health has declined so desperately. A few things he's recommended have helped extremely transiently, to be fair...

    In some places he and danny don't seem to take CFS as seriously as I would expect. the symptoms can be extremely devastating and are proven to be of physiological etiology... usually caused by an infection or trauma, but ray sees it as just another subset of hypothyroidism possibly a diagnostic fad and maybe caused by eating beans?

    I wonder if he would say that if he saw how severe it can get. I still enjoyed reading lots of his articles though. I'll certainly change my tune if I do get significantly better using his work.
     
  87. @DaveFoster a little off topic but what brand of pregnenolone do you use? Just curious because cause if your getting such great results from it I’m sure it’s very high quality.
     
  88. It has been wonderful to read the responses in this thread. I found Ray Peat by a lucky accident. I was doing a hard-core vegan diet eating mostly raw vegetables and lots of beans for my protein intake. I was grumpy most of the time, frequent headaches, cold/shriveled/purple fingers, low body temperatures, low energy, and so forth. Other than those symptoms, that diet was working great (sarcasm off).

    I was following the vegan approach because they were making claims about reversing heart disease from which I suffer. Namely, Dr. Esselstyn of "Forks Over Knives" fame was making this claim. In his book on reversing heart disease, for those who had been previously diagnosed with heart disease, he did not allow ANY fat in the diet even though his main concern was with saturated fat. This recommendation would eliminate PUFA from the diet and that I believe is why some of his reversal claims may have been true.

    Now the lucky accident part. One night, while on this vegan diet, I got into a mild quarrel with my wife over something silly (I mentioned above my grumpiness) and on the way home, I saw a fast food restaurant. I got a burger, fries, and by accident I ordered a regular Coke instead of my usual diet Coke. That night I had the best night sleep in 20 years and felt like Superman the next day. I went back to veganism the next day but continued to think about that wonderful night sleep for a couple of more weeks. I began to experiment with what I had that night with one ingredient at a time to see what caused that response. I started with the potatoes and I did get a mild response. Tried the burger and again a mild response at best. Finally, the Coke. It was the Coke. I never, and I mean never, go to bed without drinking a Coke (Mexican because it is made with sugar) nowadays because I basically get the same response each night. Good hormonal production each night with very good nights sleep. I've experimented with sugar and get about 75% of the response as Coke. It also contains 30mg caffeine plus carbon dioxide so that may explain the medicinal properties of it - at least for me. Some people have tried my Coke before bed idea and have had problems falling asleep but I never do.

    All my life I was told sugar was bad but I discovered it was good for me. My whole life I have loved sugar and sugary things like fruit, chocolate, and ice cream but was told it was bad for me. I started searching on the benefits of sugar and found Ray Peat. I have spent months reading and re-reading his work and began applying things (e.g., no PUFA/starch/beans, aspirin, OJ, milk, liver, oysters, potatoes, salt, sugar) and have slowly re-built my metabolism. I now believe thyroid is king but everything is important when it comes to your endocrine system. The only thing that has not worked for me is coconut oil. It gives me a runny nose and I don't feel 100% after ingesting it.

    I don't believe there is a universal nutritional "prescription" out there but Ray Peat provides a integrative/scientific foundation from which people can derive their own prescription in order to optimize their respective health.
     
  89. I use HealthNatura pregnenolone powder.
     
  90. His articles really make sense, good amounts of evidence.
    And his diet is basically what i used to love during childhood. My instincts told me that this is the right thing to do.
    And it worked, I feel calmer. I never got a cold again.
     
  91. I'm really starting to lose faith in it since have gotten side effects from progestE, pregnenolone, etc. If I was seeing enough benefit from things he recommended I would write off the side effects but it just makes me feel scared and alone to be getting intense side effects from things I'm experimenting with and leaning a lot on to help cure my severe illness. If ray peat's work fails for me, there's nothing else. i have almost zero hope left. I don't know what I can do to stay in this world. I am tired of being sick,
     
  92. It sounds like a bad case. Have you tried emailing him directly?
     
  93. I have. He thinks thyroid , progesterone, niacinamide, vitamin d would help but his emails are very short and my ability to communicate waning
     
  94. I should mention in fairness that progestE has also helped. In fact I think that's the reason I've continued to take it so often despite the fact that it has frequent side effects and also any doctor would think im crazy
     
  95. i've gone from beyond just fatigue and exercise intolerance to almost constant pain, as if i have lactic acid from exercising all the time , and shortness of breath
     
  96. I think the theory is somewhat sound but I'm honestly too tired to understand it in real depth so I'm going out on a limb on faith and the limb is breaking. My doctor is a CFS specialist but nothing she has prescribed has helped
     
  97. His article on fish oils came up in google when i tried to make sense of their health effects. It was so logical yet extremely controversial. I started reading other articles that sounded interesting in the title and soon realized many things i had found out during my previous research fell into a more complete picture with the (historical) details he ties in. Finally when i stumbled upon his article about SSRIs i made the decision to read them all. After seeing what SSRI do to people i had been studying scientific publications for years trying to form a coherent picture about them, and he finally allowed me to see.
     
  98. My journey began in 1987 with Macrobiotics (go ahead and laf) and haven't eaten SAD since then. A little less than two years ago I was told my thyroid was just a little low and recalled Peat talked about thyroid and that is when I moved into his camp to experiment. And I am still experimenting.
     
  99. I was paleo-ish for 5 years or so, and was feeling better than I was prior to going paleo(my childhood diet makes me shudder-deep fried chicken wings every week, oreos, utz cottonseed oil fried chips, HFCS drinks) but was still having some issues. Eventually i developed this fungal skin condition called tinea versicolor which involved pea-sized bleach spots all over my arms, chest, neck and trunk. It kept getting worse. I had been reading a little peat and searched his site for thoughts on fungal infections. I transitioned to eating more carbs, both sugar and starch, drinking coffee, eliminating uncooked starches(was eating a lot of bananas, especially green, after having heard mention of the benefits of resistant starch, very unwise in retrospect) removed lots of the fiber and raw vegetables(was eating salads almost every day), and I also just became more conscious of stresses and toxic stuff i was exposing myself to(smoke from working in kitchens at that time). Within 6 months, the skin condition was gone, i was gaining lean mass without trying, i stopped having muscle cramps at night, my sleepy limbs at night stopped( would happen maybe once a month, an arm would fall asleep while i was asleep). That was a powerful experience.