johnwester130
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What men in the media or politics represent this ?
How do they act ?
How do they act ?
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What men in the media or politics represent this ? How do they act ?
I'm not sure about providing examples. But here are the characteristics I perceive:
They're calm, creative, confident and altruistic. They typically have beard and great hair, but not a lot of body hair. They have pedomorphic i.e. youthful traits in older age.
They're not: aggressive or seeking to dominate others, or especially bulky or very hairy.
If you want a stereotypical example: Brad Pitt.
Generally agree here. But OP is saying HIGH, meaning its higher than normal. Beard would be very thin, underdeveloped, grows slowly. Many famous actors/celebritis have weak beard growth. High histamine (which many actors are by nature) coincides with weak body hair and facial hair growth.
What you describe would describe good progesterone levels, not high.
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I don't necessarily agree. I don't think progesterone is feminizing in a proper context.
In fact it can increase 5-alpha-reductase and in turn DHT.
I think it operates on a very general biological level and is context-dependent, and
is reflected in men in the manner that I describe. I interpreted OP's question
as referring to men with higher than average progesterone levels, and I think the 'average'
levels are quite low.
Of course men never reach the peak of progesterone women of reproductive age achieve during their cycle,
but healthy males can have just as much as most women, if not more after 50,
when menopause levels the playing field.
This is my interpretation based on a lot of reading. I could be wrong.
the politician david miliband
he is 54, looks very young, very calm and relaxed way of speaking,
watch his youtube videos and see what you think
Generally agree here. But OP is saying HIGH, meaning its higher than normal. Beard would be very thin, underdeveloped, grows slowly. Many famous actors/celebritis have weak beard growth. High histamine (which many actors are by nature) coincides with weak body hair and facial hair growth.
What you describe would describe good progesterone levels, not high.
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Can I get a copy of that text you have. Looks interesting.
Would high histamine be a good thing ?
I don't necessarily agree. I don't think progesterone is feminizing in a proper context.
In fact it can increase 5-alpha-reductase and in turn DHT.
Do you have a source? I thought it downregulates 5ar.
Do you have a source? I thought it downregulates 5ar.
It does not downregulate it. This is a myth spread by the medical industry in the attempt to sell progestins for treating hair loss. What progesterone does is compete for access to 5-AR with other substrates such as androstenedione and testosterone, and it has higher affinity for the enzyme compared to those other substrates. So, if used in high doses it may result in more allopregnanolone formation and less DHT being formed but this only happens if very high doses are used. In physiological doses progesterone does not reduce DHT and in fact may even raise it through the so-called "backdoor" pathway (5a-DHP->allopregnanolone->androsterone->DHT).
Androsterone May Be The Main Source Of DHT, Drives Fetal Masculinization
It does not downregulate it. This is a myth spread by the medical industry in the attempt to sell progestins for treating hair loss. What progesterone does is compete for access to 5-AR with other substrates such as androstenedione and testosterone, and it has higher affinity for the enzyme compared to those other substrates. So, if used in high doses it may result in more allopregnanolone formation and less DHT being formed but this only happens if very high doses are used. In physiological doses progesterone does not reduce DHT and in fact may even raise it through the so-called "backdoor" pathway (5a-DHP->allopregnanolone->androsterone->DHT).
Androsterone May Be The Main Source Of DHT, Drives Fetal Masculinization
Thanks for chiming in Georgi!
Good info, thanks. We've talked about how Finasteride and Progesterone have similar makeup or actions, right? Are we saying that progesterone is not actually helpful for MPB then? Or would it have to be used in a higher dosage in order to treat hairloss?
Second. This is very helpful info.