What Hormones Are Involed In Penis Growth & Size?

[dq139]

Sure, but @haidut generally cites his sources, which are usually reputable studies. If your source is haidut, then cite haidut. If you cite no one, I categorize your post as broscience and unsubstantiated claims, as I mentioned above. What makes this forum great is that much of what is posted is backed by science, rather than "I think I remember reading it in a thread somewhere."

Well I did mention in my convo that i heard my info from haidut & ray peat. Maybe I didn't exactly cite the source, but I still encouraged him to not take my word for it and go read haidut & ray's articles about hormones tho....I don't expect anyone to take my word for it.

 

[MrThyroid]

From what I see on this forum higher estrogen is responsible for bad skin (acne, saggy skin, wrinkles)..have u read what this forum think of testosterone and hormones?

If anything higher testosterone would prevent aging in men..lower stress tighter skin less hair loss on head ect...u sound like u got your information from guys on a body building forum no offense.

Middle eastern caucasians are known to have higher estrogen & dht than Nordic European caucasians...they're diet is pretty estrogenic in ray peats eyes it seems, so they're testosterone turns into dht & estrogen along with making androgen receptors more sensative and making them aggressive (kind of like roid rage)...estrogen in steroid users spiking creates aggressive stressed out behavior and body hair growth (from dht raising as a defense mechanism to fight the estrogen).
Like how fat hairy alcoholics get aggressive and want sex after drinking a certain amount of beer or whiskey. Its the estrogen & lutenizing hormone spike.

Ray peat thinks that estrogen and stress will raise dht more than testosterone itself and create hyper masculinity in men..more feminine looking men like Asians and some south americans have higher progesterone & testosterone with lower estrogen, in ray peat & haiduts eyes atleast.

really funny do you have studies backing up your talking. Testosterone and its derivates makes you aggressive and not estrogens. Middle eastern including me , yes re more aggressive due that third of their population are ultra fast metaboliziers they excrete estrogens faster have more testosterone and less estrogens. Also in their countries are wars the re bodies producing more adrenalin which increases DHT leads to aggressive behavoir and higher reproduction because its like you said defence mechanisim to ensure their new blood.
Estrogen makes you empathic, sensitive and emotional those charackterics are really bad in dangerous environments you need to be strong, manly, calmly and impulsive. But in european environment where "peace" is are those estrogen driven characterics preferable buts leads to feminism.

 

[dq139]

really funny do you have studies backing up your talking. Testosterone and its derivates makes you aggressive and not estrogens. Middle eastern including me , yes re more aggressive due that third of their population are ultra fast metaboliziers they excrete estrogens faster have more testosterone and less estrogens. Also in their countries are wars the re bodies producing more adrenalin which increases DHT leads to aggressive behavoir and higher reproduction because its like you said defence mechanisim to ensure their new blood.
Estrogen makes you empathic, sensitive and emotional those charackterics are really bad in dangerous environments you need to be strong, manly, calmly and impulsive. But in european environment where "peace" is are those estrogen driven characterics preferable buts leads to feminism.

Im not saying estrogen in itself makes u manly by no means lol...im saying that estrogen and stress triggers more dht to be released in men. Its obviously the dht that makes u manly not the estrogen...im not citing this! (But I've heard that Mediterranean's & Arabs have higher estrogen and dht)....as far as sources. Just read haidut & peats articles to see their perspective on hormones..

Again not saying that estrogen is in any way androgenic! But it can trigger androgens to be over produced.

 

[ecstatichamster]

people who take high amounts of DHT, T, DHEA etc. are nuts. They are going to go down in flames. Sadly it is so easy to ruin health.

The only increases in size that I can buy into are very small increases from low amounts of DHEA and pregnenolone especially for an older many who has experienced shrinkage due to low metabolism.

 

[ebs]

From what I see on this forum higher estrogen is responsible for bad skin (acne, saggy skin, wrinkles)..have u read what this forum think of testosterone and hormones?

If anything higher testosterone would prevent aging in men..lower stress tighter skin less hair loss on head ect...u sound like u got your information from guys on a body building forum no offense.

Middle eastern caucasians are known to have higher estrogen & dht than Nordic European caucasians...they're diet is pretty estrogenic in ray peats eyes it seems, so they're testosterone turns into dht & estrogen along with making androgen receptors more sensative and making them aggressive (kind of like roid rage)...estrogen in steroid users spiking creates aggressive stressed out behavior and body hair growth (from dht raising as a defense mechanism to fight the estrogen).
Like how fat hairy alcoholics get aggressive and want sex after drinking a certain amount of beer or whiskey. Its the estrogen & lutenizing hormone spike.

Ray peat thinks that estrogen and stress will raise dht more than testosterone itself and create hyper masculinity in men..more feminine looking men like Asians and some south americans have higher progesterone & testosterone with lower estrogen, in ray peat & haiduts eyes atleast.

I don't visit bodybuilding forums and try to avoid all that broscience like the plague. I got much of my information about dht & beard growth from the anabolicmen website and forum. The owner happens to be a Peat follower too and it was through that forum that I ended up here.

But as much as I am a believer in many of this forum's (and in effect Peat's views) when it comes to diet in the end it is just a part of all the science that is out there. Speaking of which, as I recall Peat wasn't a fan of high testosterone because he believes it increases the development of certain cancers so that is indicative of his point of view.

 

[theLaw]

people who take high amounts of DHT, T, DHEA etc. are nuts. They are going to go down in flames. Sadly it is so easy to ruin health.

The only increases in size that I can buy into are very small increases from low amounts of DHEA and pregnenolone especially for an older many who has experienced shrinkage due to low metabolism.

Not necessarily. Remember that Ray grew 2 inches in height in his 40s, and penis growth can be caused by a number of different factors, so it's not that far-fetched.

Also, the difference between 100% full erections with no restricted blood flow (from excess estrogen), and less-than-optimal erections can be very significant. There have even been reports of "growth" from viagra users.

With all of the estrogenic compounds in our food supply, many guys are not experiencing full erections, so they could see an increase in size just from improving their androgen production/blood flow.

 

[ebs]

There is quite a bit of of broscience and unsubstantiated claims on both sides of the argument here. This thread has devolved to people throwing around the names of hormones that they don't seem to understand. It would be nice to see someone back up their opinions with facts supported by studies.

Here are some nice summaries with references listed.

https://www.anabolicmen.com/how-to-grow-beard-faster/

https://www.anabolicmen.com/signs-of-high-testosterone/

https://www.anabolicmen.com/dihydrotestosterone/

 

[MrThyroid]

Im not saying estrogen in itself makes u manly by no means lol...im saying that estrogen and stress triggers more dht to be released in men. Its obviously the dht that makes u manly not the estrogen...im not citing this! (But I've heard that Mediterranean's & Arabs have higher estrogen and dht)....as far as sources. Just read haidut & peats articles to see their perspective on hormones..

Again not saying that estrogen is in any way androgenic! But it can trigger androgens to be over produced.

estrogen do shi.t litterally shi.t.
Also we need to differ from estrogens which your body produce naturally or xenoestrogens which are toxins from enivonrment.
I totally agree that xenoestrogens are stressing your body but dont trigger your body to overproduce androgens it makes the opposite. Natural body produced estrogens dont stress your body because its natural and your body converts testosterone to estrogen if you re low thyroid and fat which correlate together. Only t3, adrenaline, cortisol, test, hgh increase androgen synthesis. Estrogens weither natural or xeno estrogens surpress body androgen synthesis in males.
Mediterranean's are known to have alot of herbs, spicies etc. those things must be metabolized, because they re in general toxins which protects the herbs and spicies from animals insects etc. . So when those herbs, spicies are eaten they must be metabolized by enzymes and most of those enzymes are also responsible for steroid production. When ever you eat those toxins they induce your enzyme for detoxification. Its an adaption in order to neutralize those plant toxins.
Those Mediterranean have then higher enzymes for detoxification which are also like i mention responsible for androgen synthesis. As a result those ppl who eat alot of herbs, spicies etc also have higher testosteron less estrogen.

 

[lifestyle]

Here are some nice summaries with references listed.

https://www.anabolicmen.com/how-to-grow-beard-faster/

https://www.anabolicmen.com/signs-of-high-testosterone/

https://www.anabolicmen.com/dihydrotestosterone/

Now that's what I'm talking about :)
Plenty of references in that first article.

@dq139 If you want to add any value to the conversation, the onus is on you to back up your claims - not simply make broad statements, attribute them to others, and then tell people to go look it up.

 

[JAWBRAKR]

i did one big cycle of a 4 months and 2 weeks then stopt and i'll start again when it arrives, which should be tomorrow.

Hey stud, would you mind sending me a pm for your dht source? It seems pretty difficult to obtain

 

[Momado965]

From what I see on this forum higher estrogen is responsible for bad skin (acne, saggy skin, wrinkles)..have u read what this forum think of testosterone and hormones?

If anything higher testosterone would prevent aging in men..lower stress tighter skin less hair loss on head ect...u sound like u got your information from guys on a body building forum no offense.

Middle eastern caucasians are known to have higher estrogen & dht than Nordic European caucasians...they're diet is pretty estrogenic in ray peats eyes it seems, so they're testosterone turns into dht & estrogen along with making androgen receptors more sensative and making them aggressive (kind of like roid rage)...estrogen in steroid users spiking creates aggressive stressed out behavior and body hair growth (from dht raising as a defense mechanism to fight the estrogen).
Like how fat hairy alcoholics get aggressive and want sex after drinking a certain amount of beer or whiskey. Its the estrogen & lutenizing hormone spike.

Ray peat thinks that estrogen and stress will raise dht more than testosterone itself and create hyper masculinity in men..more feminine looking men like Asians and some south americans have higher progesterone & testosterone with lower estrogen, in ray peat & haiduts eyes atleast.

As true Arabs (Yemenites) and Arab converts (Ishmalites) who lived in the Arabian peninsula we exclusively lived on goat milk, sheep, milk, dates, honey, barely, wheat, lamb and camel meat. The addition of pufa rich oil was recent. No of course as many other addition like stuffed vegetables was introduced later in progression of the Tri Islamic empire. What we eat now is vastly different 1200+ years ago. Also, across the region from the west of say Morocco to Khorasan (east) and also the north which inclufes Turkey, Iraq, Syria there are many similarities in their cuisine.

 

[TreasureVibe]

really funny do you have studies backing up your talking. Testosterone and its derivates makes you aggressive and not estrogens. Middle eastern including me , yes re more aggressive due that third of their population are ultra fast metaboliziers they excrete estrogens faster have more testosterone and less estrogens. Also in their countries are wars the re bodies producing more adrenalin which increases DHT leads to aggressive behavoir and higher reproduction because its like you said defence mechanisim to ensure their new blood.
Estrogen makes you empathic, sensitive and emotional those charackterics are really bad in dangerous environments you need to be strong, manly, calmly and impulsive. But in european environment where "peace" is are those estrogen driven characterics preferable buts leads to feminism.

This is spot-on.

 

[alex00]

hi I'm 17 years old and I bought a topical dht gel with dmso and ethanol as a carrier to grow my penis. I also bought mk-677 a secretatogue of the gh. And i bought an extender.
How many mg of dht do you recommend me to take daily to not suppress my hpta?
Will my hormone levels return to normal once I have stopped? or will I be suppressed?
Thanks

 

[Luckytype]

hi I'm 17 years old and I bought a topical dht gel with dmso and ethanol as a carrier to grow my penis. I also bought mk-677 a secretatogue of the gh. And i bought an extender.
How many mg of dht do you recommend me to take daily to not suppress my hpta?
Will my hormone levels return to normal once I have stopped? or will I be suppressed?
Thanks

@alex00 youre at the age where your natural production of everything that makes your penis grow is on its way to its peak. Around 21-23 your hormonal profile is going to be literally the highest in its life. Literally, your body is about to be the most hormonal it will ever be, your testosterone and dht are on their way to being the best they will be in your life. Let your body do what its about to do.

Take my advice that I think the other guys here will echo and do not your dht or other things just yet. By age 25(still likely a peak) you can reconsider.

The only reason I would consider recanting this statement is IF you can provide proof and supporting bloodwork that would without a doubt prove you have something wrong genetically and this would benefit you.

Let your body do what its about to do. Dont throw it off with products like that.

 

[Wagner83]

hi I'm 17 years old and I bought a topical dht gel with dmso and ethanol as a carrier to grow my penis. I also bought mk-677 a secretatogue of the gh. And i bought an extender.
How many mg of dht do you recommend me to take daily to not suppress my hpta?
Will my hormone levels return to normal once I have stopped? or will I be suppressed?
Thanks

Even Ray would never use gh or a compound to increase it, and he's 80 yo with 50-60 years of studying hormones and biology. DMSO can be an issue for some. I think working on diet, life and depending on current physical condition, sprints (more isn't better), would be worth considering.

 

[alex00]

Hi I thank you for the answer, I tell myself, I'm 17 years old I'm 1.77 I'm thin and I weight 67kg. I have hairs only on my legs and pubis and few on my forearm.
I have very little beard, no hair on my chest, no hair on my neck, little deep voice. I have suffered from insomnia in my 15-16 years and perhaps it has influenced. I have small testicles (10 ml volume) and a penis of 13.5 cm. my father is not hairy and is not very large, 1.76 cm high, is 60 years old and still has almost all his hair. My mother is short and small.
I have read that at my age the dht receptors on the penis are still active so I thought I could "help" to grow my penis where nature does not help me.
What do you think about it?

 

[Luckytype]

Hi I thank you for the answer, I tell myself, I'm 17 years old I'm 1.77 I'm thin and I weight 67kg. I have hairs only on my legs and pubis and few on my forearm.
I have very little beard, no hair on my chest, no hair on my neck, little deep voice. I have suffered from insomnia in my 15-16 years and perhaps it has influenced. I have small testicles (10 ml volume) and a penis of 13.5 cm. my father is not hairy and is not very large, 1.76 cm high, is 60 years old and still has almost all his hair. My mother is short and small.
I have read that at my age the dht receptors on the penis are still active so I thought I could "help" to grow my penis where nature does not help me.
What do you think about it?

You are still early in your life. I would honestly wait, natural hormones are so much better than trying to trick your body. Your actual adult hormones are about to flood your body.

I literally had just about the same measurements at that age. They gradually changed after 18 and really took off in my 20s. I never measured my testicular volume though. I too suffered insomnia from like age 10 or 12.

Everything grew. I just dont have a ton of body hair(33) and somewhat limited facial hair which doesnt bother me. My parents and their parents dont have tons of body hair eventhough my father had a thick beard and looked middle eastern(hes of mediterrian descent).

Seriously wait, its worth it. Not everyones body does everything at the same time. Everything will grow.

I will tell you im very naturally thin like you, it took A LOT of food over years and years to gain weight.

 

[ecstatichamster]

there are lots of younger people on this thread. I have had experience with many guys who have ruined their penis trying jelqing, and I mean they have had lifelong trouble.

I also have seen how a man can have his entire life go downhill from foolish experimentation.

I think a lot of craziness is on this thread, sadly.

 

[ecstatichamster]

Hi I thank you for the answer, I tell myself, I'm 17 years old I'm 1.77 I'm thin and I weight 67kg. I have hairs only on my legs and pubis and few on my forearm.
I have very little beard, no hair on my chest, no hair on my neck, little deep voice. I have suffered from insomnia in my 15-16 years and perhaps it has influenced. I have small testicles (10 ml volume) and a penis of 13.5 cm. my father is not hairy and is not very large, 1.76 cm high, is 60 years old and still has almost all his hair. My mother is short and small.
I have read that at my age the dht receptors on the penis are still active so I thought I could "help" to grow my penis where nature does not help me.
What do you think about it?

I think you should focus on strength building, and especially on new challenges in your life.

That an diet. Avoiding damaging your body. Don't do something stupid is what I think.

 

[JAWBRAKR]

Hi I thank you for the answer, I tell myself, I'm 17 years old I'm 1.77 I'm thin and I weight 67kg. I have hairs only on my legs and pubis and few on my forearm.
I have very little beard, no hair on my chest, no hair on my neck, little deep voice. I have suffered from insomnia in my 15-16 years and perhaps it has influenced. I have small testicles (10 ml volume) and a penis of 13.5 cm. my father is not hairy and is not very large, 1.76 cm high, is 60 years old and still has almost all his hair. My mother is short and small.
I have read that at my age the dht receptors on the penis are still active so I thought I could "help" to grow my penis where nature does not help me.
What do you think about it?

Your hormones are primed. The best thing u could do is eat a healthy diet that influences your growth into adulthood and start jelqing right now! Please do yourself a favor and do not put exogenous hormones into your body, you can easily influence the ones you have with proper diet and excersise. Jelqing absolutely works but listen to your body if it hurts STOP. Also remember recovery is crucial in terms of Penis enlargment. So try a schedule like 3 days on two off. If I was in your shoes I would start jelqing, if I had the option I would do it in the morning in a warm shower and then use a product called ADS which is short for all day stretcher. I wish I would have started at your age with the progress that I've had. Good luck on your journey always remember to stay positive make the journey fun and never look down upon yourself the mind is a very powerful tool that most men do not utilize in any penis enlargement routine. When you're doing your jelqing close your eyes and visualize growth and expansion become one with yourself. I know it sounds crazy but I promise it works.