What Does Gilbert Ling Eat?

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He will be 100 years old on 26-December 2019. Seems like a brilliant man and healthy too.

Do you know what he eats?
 

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In the back of a tiger teaser he seems to be eating some kind of pastry like a croissant and what seems to be a noodle soop.

He has lots of age spots and periorbital edema.
 
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In the back of a tiger teaser he seems to be eating some kind of pastry like a croissant and what seems to be a noodle soop.

He has lots of age spots and periorbital edema.

he does but Fred Kummerow does not (Fred died recently). Fred avoided PUFAs.
 

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Fred Kummerow looked great indeed.

Fred Kummerow, Hero of the Trans Fat Battle | Dr. Gabe Mirkin on Health
"He certainly knew of the benefits of, and ate lots of, fruits ,vegetables, whole grains and nuts and he correctly avoided fried foods and margarine. However, at age 89, he had heart bypass surgery to treat arteriosclerotic blockage of the arteries leading to his heart. His research showed that dietary cholesterol and dietary saturated fats did not cause heart attacks, so he ate eggs, butter, milk, cheese and meat. "

His view of PUFA was apparently that it is harmful only when already rancid before ingesting. He didn't seem to know that they oxidize inside the body in the same way. I am not familiar with his work though. He seemed to be anti refined sugar too.
 
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Fred Kummerow even believed in EFA. He did not avoid PUFA per se, but just rancid fat, hydrogenated oils/artificial trans-fats, heated PUFA, etc. (when old, he stated he could not remember the last time he ate anything deep fried).
Here is a quote from his book 'Cholesterol is not the culprit' to get an idea of his views on fat (it's the overview from the beginning of the chapter about fats):
Cholesterol is not the culprit said:
  • Fat is an essential part of any diet - without fat, people cannot live.
  • Two types of fats are healthy for you - saturated fat from animals and unsaturated fats from vegetables sources.
  • Your body needs both saturated and unsaturated fats to function well.
  • There are two types of trans fats - trans fats from the saturated fat of animals and trans fats produced artificially by hydrogenation from vegetable oil. They are used differently in the body with only the latter producing some unhealty effects.
  • Frying food in fat can be done in a healthy way, but current practices are often unhealthy.


He seemed to be anti refined sugar too.

Not even anti sugar in general. He just warned that refined sugar has nothing else that contributes to a healthy diet (e.g. vitames, minerals, fibres) and that it will make you fat if consumed in excess (so it seems he didn't believe that lipogenesis from sugar is negligible, as often stated here). He warned of soft drinks with sugar , but even more of soft drinks with artificial sweeteners. He emphasised the importance of carbohydrates in the diet though.
Following another quote (the overview from the beginning of the chapter about carbs):
Cholesterol is not the culprit said:
  • Carbohydrates (sugar and glycogen) are very important energy sources for the heart, brain ans muscles.
  • It is better to get your energy from carbohydrates and fats than from protein.
  • An excess of carbohydrates is made into fat in the body.
  • Frequent snacks between meals actually increase weight gain more than if those same foods were eaten at a wider intervall of time.
  • Carbohydrates as energy sources are important to our nutrition because: -They save proteins for other functions in the body. -They provide the fuel for all our bodily functions to work including the heart, lungs, brain and digestive systems. -They provide some minerals and vitams.


(On-topic: Unfortunately I don't know anything about Gilbert Ling.)
 

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Fred Kummerow looked great indeed.

Fred Kummerow, Hero of the Trans Fat Battle | Dr. Gabe Mirkin on Health
"He certainly knew of the benefits of, and ate lots of, fruits ,vegetables, whole grains and nuts and he correctly avoided fried foods and margarine. However, at age 89, he had heart bypass surgery to treat arteriosclerotic blockage of the arteries leading to his heart. His research showed that dietary cholesterol and dietary saturated fats did not cause heart attacks, so he ate eggs, butter, milk, cheese and meat. "

His view of PUFA was apparently that it is harmful only when already rancid before ingesting. He didn't seem to know that they oxidize inside the body in the same way. I am not familiar with his work though. He seemed to be anti refined sugar too.

From the Article-

"He was the first researcher to show that trans fats in margarines and many prepared foods cause plaques to form in arteries, with a paper published in Science in 1957. At age 100, he was finally successful in suing the FDA to ban trans fats from our foods. Trans fats have been linked to 100,000 deaths in the U.S. each year from heart attacks."

Any food with significant Trans Fat (from hydrogenation) contained far more PUFAs to start with, and likely even more PUFA than the more saturated fats that they displaced (tallow and traditional lard). I am still of the opinion that Trans Fats more a marker for the harms of PUFA rather than the Trans Fats themselves being all that harmful. They look and act much more like saturated fats.
 

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He will be 100 years old on 26-December 2019. Seems like a brilliant man and healthy too.

Do you know what he eats?

In his On the Back of a Tiger Interview (Part 2):
starting at 24:56 -- No red meat. "I eat fish". He mentions eggs. He does not eat sugar, at least no processed one: "A lot of sugar is not good". He eats Sweet'n'low instead (!)

Go figure.
 
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From the Article-

"He was the first researcher to show that trans fats in margarines and many prepared foods cause plaques to form in arteries, with a paper published in Science in 1957. At age 100, he was finally successful in suing the FDA to ban trans fats from our foods. Trans fats have been linked to 100,000 deaths in the U.S. each year from heart attacks."

Any food with significant Trans Fat (from hydrogenation) contained far more PUFAs to start with, and likely even more PUFA than the more saturated fats that they displaced (tallow and traditional lard). I am still of the opinion that Trans Fats more a marker for the harms of PUFA rather than the Trans Fats themselves being all that harmful. They look and act much more like saturated fats.
There is even natural trans- fats in tallow, and older generations very often used this fat for cooking seemingly without problems people face today. I don't buy this idea of trans fats being bad either. Until I see a study where they feed people/ rats pure trans fats, or at least trans fats without so much PUFA, I'll doubt it.

These vegetable oils, indeed, still have tons of PUFA., even after partial hydrogenation. Soybean oil is still 38% polyunsaturated after being hydrogenated.

As you said in another thread, the argument against trans fats has to do with lowering HDL and increasing LDL. This site is an example:
The Truth About Sunflower Oil (It May Shock You)
"Trans fats are so disruptive because they decrease HDL (“good”) cholesterol and simultaneously increase LDL (“bad”) cholesterol."

From a Peat perspective, that's beneficial, since HDL means the body is being damaged by something( exercise, alcohol, etc.), so increasing it isn't a good sign. Low LDL cholesterol has a bunch of side effects( early death, stroke, dementia, aggressiveness), so increasing it is a good thing.
 
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In his On the Back of a Tiger Interview (Part 2):
starting at 24:56 -- No red meat. "I eat fish". He mentions eggs. He does not eat sugar, at least no processed one: "A lot of sugar is not good". He eats Sweet'n'low instead (!)

Go figure.

wow! Thank you!
 

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In the recent Danny Roddy podcast, they tell the funny story of how, in his old age, Ling asked his doctor a prescription to help with constipation. Upon coming back home and reading the disclaimer he noticed the drug shouldn't be used more than 5 days in a row. So he did his own research, looking for which cultures had no constipation. He found one in Mexico and decided to add one sweet potatoe to his diet. This fixed his bowel health.
 

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