What Are You Doing In Case Of Famine?

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Once the tanks move in, the military occupation and total overthrow is complete.

This whole video is excellent, but the last 15 minutes are devastating:


He is trying hard to please and to say what is being expected to hear from him by his handlers and money source. I wouldn’t trust his words.
 

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National Guard is in Minneapolis. The Governor is in control. I'm currently spending my nights praying to the ghost of John Quincy Adams that the military doesn't get called in. Entire blocks have been destroyed, but the situation seems much more stable the last couple nights. Wednesday and Thursday were horrifying.

And, if there's a famine I think I'll just starve to death. They burned down the grocery stores just north of me. The one I normally go to was closed and boarded up today at 5pm. I guess I'll need to buy my Haagen Dazs tomorrow.
sorry to learn PhilParma.
Can you order cans of soup, oysters, powdered milk to be delivered?
 

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Famine would be a good excuse to try a water fast. But then again, when your choice is limited, going without food lacks the same appeal as when it is voluntary. Similar to how even introverts are having trouble with compulsory isolation during this lockdown.
 

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sorry to learn PhilParma.
Can you order cans of soup, oysters, powdered milk to be delivered?
I have 10 pounds of rice, some powdered milk. I can get oysters. I'm not too worried. If ***t hits the fan I'm just gonna go down with the ship. Good game America.
 

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I have 10 pounds of rice, some powdered milk. I can get oysters. I'm not too worried. If ***t hits the fan I'm just gonna go down with the ship. Good game America.
Yeah, they boarded up our grocery stores too. Everything is boarded up.

I've been buying tins of food and added some grills on my windows over the weekend.

They're shaking the last nickle out of everyone's pockets. And still virtually everyone walking around is still wearing masks and earbugs.
 

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I have 10 pounds of rice, some powdered milk. I can get oysters. I'm not too worried. If ***t hits the fan I'm just gonna go down with the ship. Good game America.
I felt that way in 2016 and then nothing happened. Did all the preps and whatnot, which is the only reason we have guns now. Something worth mentioning is that on "alternative" sites there are obvious Fed agents and other unscrupulous characters chiding people into armed conflict with looters, rather than simply acting in self defense should your life be threatened. Supposedly that is "patriotism". Absolute clown show, be careful everyone.
 

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He is trying hard to please and to say what is being expected to hear from him by his handlers and money source. I wouldn’t trust his words.

Nice to see there's people who use their heads, this video is clear propaganda. The US has done a great job at discrediting any real leftism, now the zionists took over the left(obviously they aren't really left) which used to be marxists. Currently George Soros is funding lots of riots in the US, for what purpose, who knows. But dismiss anyone who attacks a philosophy like marxism-leninism without attacking any of it's actual philosophy, instead, they straw man them and invent horrible events of the USSR or only focus on the bad. The reality is that modern day Ukraine, Russia, etc, are ran by zionists and are capitalist shitholes and getting worst by the day. I know Ukranians and Russians and many are nostalgic of the USSR, only Belarus is ran by a communist president now and they are not surprisingly the only country who refused to shutdown because of the coronahoax and are again not surprisingly doing well economically.
 

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Nice to see there's people who use their heads, this video is clear propaganda. The US has done a great job at discrediting any real leftism, now the zionists took over the left(obviously they aren't really left) which used to be marxists. Currently George Soros is funding lots of riots in the US, for what purpose, who knows. But dismiss anyone who attacks a philosophy like marxism-leninism without attacking any of it's actual philosophy, instead, they straw man them and invent horrible events of the USSR or only focus on the bad. The reality is that modern day Ukraine, Russia, etc, are ran by zionists and are capitalist shitholes and getting worst by the day. I know Ukranians and Russians and many are nostalgic of the USSR, only Belarus is ran by a communist president now and they are not surprisingly the only country who refused to shutdown because of the coronahoax and are again not surprisingly doing well economically.

You’ve got to be kidding. If you actually read the writings of Lenin, Marx and the communists (not just the stuff they show you in school Im talking about the stuff they don’t want you to read or gloss over) you’ll quickly realize they were batshit insane and only wrote all that stuff about helping the undermined poorer classes to seize power and destroy society.

The end goal for actual nihilist communists like Marx was anarchy, chaos, and the destruction of every foundation of every society thinking it would usher in a new era of free love and eternal happiness. Complete foolishness
 

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You’ve got to be kidding. If you actually read the writings of Lenin, Marx and the communists (not just the stuff they show you in school Im talking about the stuff they don’t want you to read or gloss over) you’ll quickly realize they were batshit insane and only wrote all that stuff about helping the undermined poorer classes to seize power and destroy society.

The end goal for actual nihilist communists like Marx was anarchy, chaos, and the destruction of every foundation of every society thinking it would usher in a new era of free love and eternal happiness. Complete foolishness

This forum is very ignorant when it comes to understanding Marx's writings. Marx very rightly predicted the inherent problems of capitalism that we are seeing today. Dismissing these problems is partly why things are so F'ed with capitalism today.

We don't need to go full Marxist or Communist but we should at least remain open to fixing glaring issues of capitalism. The elite and ruling class have been taking full advantage of looting and rigging the system for decades due to inherent flaws in it. Modern capitalism is proving that it leaves so many behind while the rich keep getting richer. How do you fix a rigged system where the rich hold insurmountable power and control?
 

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This forum is very ignorant when it comes to understanding Marx's writings. Marx very rightly predicted the inherent problems of capitalism that we are seeing today. Dismissing these problems is partly why things are so F'ed with capitalism today.

We don't need to go full Marxist or Communist but we should at least remain open to fixing glaring issues of capitalism. The elite and ruling class have been taking full advantage of looting and rigging the system for decades due to inherent flaws in it. Modern capitalism is proving that it leaves so many behind while the rich keep getting richer. How do you fix a rigged system where the rich hold insurmountable power and control?
It's may be insurmountable at this point.
And the elites are utterly lawless thugocracy, collusion and monopoly.

I don't think I ever lived/experienced socialism or capitalism.
 

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You’ve got to be kidding. If you actually read the writings of Lenin, Marx and the communists (not just the stuff they show you in school Im talking about the stuff they don’t want you to read or gloss over) you’ll quickly realize they were batshit insane and only wrote all that stuff about helping the undermined poorer classes to seize power and destroy society.

The end goal for actual nihilist communists like Marx was anarchy, chaos, and the destruction of every foundation of every society thinking it would usher in a new era of free love and eternal happiness. Complete foolishness

Well clearly you have never read the writings of Lenin or Marx or any of the communists why are you acting as if you have? By doing this you are just repeating strawman arguments from their opponents who usually also have never read Marx or any of the communists. I would just like to say, the best country in latin america is Cuba, the communist country with the blockade, take that as the starting itch as to what the communists are really saying.

This forum is very ignorant when it comes to understanding Marx's writings. Marx very rightly predicted the inherent problems of capitalism that we are seeing today. Dismissing these problems is partly why things are so F'ed with capitalism today.

We don't need to go full Marxist or Communist but we should at least remain open to fixing glaring issues of capitalism. The elite and ruling class have been taking full advantage of looting and rigging the system for decades due to inherent flaws in it. Modern capitalism is proving that it leaves so many behind while the rich keep getting richer. How do you fix a rigged system where the rich hold insurmountable power and control?

I agree with you, wouldn't want to go full leninists but dislike rightwingers who act as if the communists were the devil without really knowing what they say. They just project what the capitalist elites are doing to their own countries into everyone but in reality, America is the one vaccinating us all into submission the USSR never did that and it's goal was to prevent men from gathering enough power to force such a thing into us. Even Ray Peat has mentioned how much better soviet science was, they were funding real science to help people, under capitalism that doesn't happen.
 

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This forum is very ignorant when it comes to understanding Marx's writings. Marx very rightly predicted the inherent problems of capitalism that we are seeing today. Dismissing these problems is partly why things are so F'ed with capitalism today.

We don't need to go full Marxist or Communist but we should at least remain open to fixing glaring issues of capitalism. The elite and ruling class have been taking full advantage of looting and rigging the system for decades due to inherent flaws in it. Modern capitalism is proving that it leaves so many behind while the rich keep getting richer. How do you fix a rigged system where the rich hold insurmountable power and control?
Marx turned the problems of a very concentrated finance oligarchy into class warfare skilled and unskilled labor. Usurers need not worry
 
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The end goal for actual nihilist communists like Marx was anarchy, chaos, and the destruction of every foundation of every society thinking it would usher in a new era of free love and eternal happiness. Complete foolishness

Amen, I mean current system is not perfect but the fact we are discussing all this nice ideas about nutrition, with such freedom in all aspects, from the ideas and discussion part to the making health decisions to the buying and procuring the stuff we actually eat, speaks volumes. All this things we enjoy right now, we got thanks to capitalism. If you want to read a bit more of how the Marxist project and similar like that are actually, I recommend reading Science, Politics and Gnosticism by Eric Voegelin. Pretty short and dense book which traces the origins of a lot of modern political and thought currents such as Marxism (among others) to have its origin in Gnosticism (as in 1st Century Judeo-Christian Gnosticism). Turns out back then people also thought the physical world (or human nature, or social organization) was fundamentally broken and needed to be completely reset (Divine intervention, revolution, etc...) and then everything would be good (era of free love and eternal happiness for ever and ever). The fundamental flaw is this thought at worst tries to deny reality, at best it tries to change human nature. Foolishness, indeed.


I would just like to say, the best country in Latin America is Cuba, the communist country with the blockade, take that as the starting itch as to what the communists are really saying.

Don't make me laugh, ask any actual Cuban and they would spit on your face. There is a reason Cubans who can leave their country, leave ASAP, never to go back either for USA, Mexico. Same as in Venezuela. Having friends from both countries, they are the most anti Marxist people you will meet. Marxism does not work, not in theory, in practice, and not for a lack of trying. Why do you think Trump won Florida?

Want to have a nice read, read The Road to Serfdom by Hayek, even right after WWII, understood that the means to bring about the goals of Marxism (not even talking about if the end is possible) contains their downfall. Why do you think Hitler rose to power so easily? Power had already been centralized and concentrated in goverment by the Marxists before him (only way to force people to let go of their property rights). Let's improve the world we have, not destroy it.
 

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Power had already been centralized and concentrated in goverment by the Marxists before him (only way to force people to let go of their property rights). Let's improve the world we have, not destroy it.
Power in America is concentrated into the hands of private Banks which co-opted the government via the Fed to backstop their schemes. How is that any better than power being concentrated in Government to begin with? One situation you have the illusion of freedom and the other you know that Government has power, but citizens actually have an outlet for grievances unlike the former.
 

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@skincareman Have you read or listened to Michael Hudson? He is a leftist that actually criticizes the root problems of Finance Capitalism, unlike many so called Marxists who just care about rabble rousing ( like Bernie for example, who makes good points but doesn't slay the demon, so to speak ).

FIRE | Michael Hudson

He has great videos on youtube also, if you care.
 

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Amen, I mean current system is not perfect but the fact we are discussing all this nice ideas about nutrition, with such freedom in all aspects, from the ideas and discussion part to the making health decisions to the buying and procuring the stuff we actually eat, speaks volumes. All this things we enjoy right now, we got thanks to capitalism. If you want to read a bit more of how the Marxist project and similar like that are actually, I recommend reading Science, Politics and Gnosticism by Eric Voegelin. Pretty short and dense book which traces the origins of a lot of modern political and thought currents such as Marxism (among others) to have its origin in Gnosticism (as in 1st Century Judeo-Christian Gnosticism). Turns out back then people also thought the physical world (or human nature, or social organization) was fundamentally broken and needed to be completely reset (Divine intervention, revolution, etc...) and then everything would be good (era of free love and eternal happiness for ever and ever). The fundamental flaw is this thought at worst tries to deny reality, at best it tries to change human nature. Foolishness, indeed.

You speak so sure of yourself for someone who is truly ignorant. I don't need you to admit to have never read Marx for me to know you haven't because youo are just strawmaning. Yeah, Marx based a lot of his philosophy on the bible but this is because the bible has a lot of truth in it, you like Jordan Peterson? Well I dislike Peterson but he's not wrong in saying the bible has truth in it, that he doesn't understand the bible is another issue. Regardless, I can't convince you of anything go read Michael Hudson and convince yourself and just so you know, Hudson admits that Marxism is real economics, anything else was invented by the western elites to dumb down people into accepting slavery while repeating nonsense of freedom.

Don't make me laugh, ask any actual Cuban and they would spit on your face. There is a reason Cubans who can leave their country, leave ASAP, never to go back either for USA, Mexico. Same as in Venezuela. Having friends from both countries, they are the most anti Marxist people you will meet. Marxism does not work, not in theory, in practice, and not for a lack of trying. Why do you think Trump won Florida?

Want to have a nice read, read The Road to Serfdom by Hayek, even right after WWII, understood that the means to bring about the goals of Marxism (not even talking about if the end is possible) contains their downfall. Why do you think Hitler rose to power so easily? Power had already been centralized and concentrated in goverment by the Marxists before him (only way to force people to let go of their property rights). Let's improve the world we have, not destroy it.

The Cubans in florida were the rich upper class who lost ownership of Cuba because of Communism or the wannabe bourgoise, of course they would hate Communism they are the ones who think and might be better off without it. That's the whole concept of a class war. I don't expect you to understand though, it is clear that you already made up your mind. But Cuba, despite their blockade and thereby shortage of dollars, has the top educacional, medical and even millitary achievenments of all of Latin America. Look at Capitalist and white Argentina, a shithole even worst than Mexico despite being the size of all of Europoe.
And Hayek was a neoliberal, he is the founder of neoliberalism in fact but I will not go as far as to discard everything he said like you discard Marxism because I am smart enough to know that he was indeed a good economist. Not as good as Marx but getting into a discussion of Marx vs Hayek is too much for a forum. And go ask those Ukranians and Russians how they're faring with their "capitalists" governments, compare their accomplishments to the soviet accomplishments and you'll see. But explaining to you that all of eastern Europe is now owned by zionists might be too much but if you want to find out for yourself, go look up the names of the Russian billionaires, the ones who privatized everything for themselves, hint, they're all zionists just like the owners of America :)

Power in America is concentrated into the hands of private Banks which co-opted the government via the Fed to backstop their schemes. How is that any better than power being concentrated in Government to begin with? One situation you have the illusion of freedom and the other you know that Government has power, but citizens actually have an outlet for grievances unlike the former.

Yep, Americans keep saying barely understandable nonsense of freedom and capitalism while in reality capitalism keeps taking away more and more of their freedom. Yes it is a free country, for the rich who own everything. I rather have power in the hands of flawed but well meaning communists who are leading the country somewhere rather than zionist banks who are salivating for the day when they can vaccinate us into infertility, promoting all sorts of cultural degeneracy like transsexualism, hoomosexualism, feminism, sexual liberation, etc with apparently well-meaning reasons but in reality they aim at nothing less than divide and conquer. The American people are so stupid now that they will happily scream for those who refuse vaccination to be incarcerated.
 

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@skincareman Have you read or listened to Michael Hudson? He is a leftist that actually criticizes the root problems of Finance Capitalism, unlike many so called Marxists who just care about rabble rousing ( like Bernie for example, who makes good points but doesn't slay the demon, so to speak ).

FIRE | Michael Hudson

He has great videos on youtube also, if you care.

Yeah, I've read him. He is pretty clear about Marxism being real economics, it's where you start if you want to learn real economics, he says the economic departments in most of the universities in the US were taken over by the banks who don't want people learning Marxism for fear of repercussions for themselves, specially the ivy leagues or most prestigious universities. He's good because he's not too radical and the American people are too brainwashed for truly radical ideas so it's best to start with someone simple like him. But I'm Mexican and read a lot of Latin American economists, they're not as brainwashed as Americans fortunately but unfortunately not as good as the Russians whom I cannot read because I don't speak Russian.
 

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