What Are Safest Hormones/supps To Gain MASS?

[boxers]

I'm not against TRT, but I am against the abuse of steroids. If I were to use steroids, I'd do something along the lines of 50mg preg, 15mg DHEA, 5mg test and 5mg DHT daily topically. Maybe even less.

Wouldnt that low of amount be counterproductive? Is that enough to actually raise serum testosterone?

 

[Hans]

Wouldnt that low of amount be counterproductive? Is that enough to actually raise serum testosterone?

Why would it be counterproductive? Peat took 1mg daily topically and said it had a potent effect. As far as I know, staying within the physiological range would not be suppressive. My goal with steroids would be health and longevity, not adding tons of muscle.

 

[boxers]

Why would it be counterproductive? Peat took 1mg daily topically and said it had a potent effect. As far as I know, staying within the physiological range would not be suppressive. My goal with steroids would be health and longevity, not adding tons of muscle.

Do you need to apply it scrotum? Also is once a day application sufficient?

 

[Hans]

Do you need to apply it scrotum? Also is once a day application sufficient?

The half-life of T without an ester is pretty short so you might have to apply it twice a day to maintain levels, but I think Peat applied his once a day. When T is made it is exported from the testes so I don't think it's necessary to apply it to the scrotum. Peat applied his on his lips.

 

[boxers]

The half-life of T without an ester is pretty short so you might have to apply it twice a day to maintain levels, but I think Peat applied his once a day. When T is made it is exported from the testes so I don't think it's necessary to apply it to the scrotum. Peat applied his on his lips.

I will try this dosage... is it best to test serum testosterone a few hours after application?

 

[Jing]

If you don’t want to mess with the hormonal system, manipulate IGF-1 with insulin glargine and cortisol with mirtazapine. Add 5mg cialis and salbutamol and you have the ‘natty stack’ of most pro fighters.
If you want to mess around with hormones forget about DHEA and just feed the precursor - HCG 100iu subq eod.
If you’re willing to risk fertility add in 5mg dbol 3x per day for neurosteroid and anabolic potential.

Edit: just read other people’s replies, don’t take progesterone lol

Do you think dbol and HCG is a better protocol than trt?

 

[Momado965]

On top of peating and haiduting, I would use anavar, drostanolone and testosterone base.

 

[ExCarniv]

The most important things that will have the greatest effect are protein (>1.6g/kg/BW), carbs (at least twice as much as protein), fats (saturated fat is anabolic, PUFA catabolic), cholesterol, sleep, proper structured training program and avoiding stress.

Supplements that promote a low stress environment/mind set and sleep will probably be most helpful. Sleep, apart from diet, is the most important thing to optimize for results. GABA promotors and cortisol regulators will be very helpful in promoting proper sleep. Peat even mentioned that thyroid can help get you into the deep restorative sleep.

Apart from the things mentioned above, there are creatine, ATP optimizers (building new muscle is energy intensive), androgen optimizers (e.g. micronutients, Gonadin), adaptogens (e.g. ashwagandha, Rhediola), prohormones (progesterone, DHEA, 6-keto P4, androsterone, etc.) and serotonin antagonists (serotonin will hamper muscle growth and 95% or more of serotonin is created in the gut) can might help build new muscle.

Then lastly there are of course, SARMs and AAS, but I' d hope you'd want to go the more natty route.

I probably missed a few minor things, but those are the most important to focus on.

Edit: prohormones might really not help a great deal, if at all, when all the rest is already optimized. Haidut mentioned that super high dose of progesterone (100-150mg daily) with DHEA (15mg daily) is able to replace testosterone injections in bodybuilders, but proper analysis is needed to confirm muscle and strength changes.

Can you share a good routine to start with?

 

[opethfeldt]

Lol, I have not tried it and am sceptical of it myself.

It's one of the most baffling things I've read in this forum. I've tried every combination of supplements to try to get even 15mg of prog to work, orally or topically. It always starts off great but then my endogenous steroid production pretty much halts and I'm left feeling absolutely hopeless and terrible. Maybe these positive reports are people who haven't used it for more than a month. My best runs usually lasted a month before disaster struck. Anyway, I just wanted people to be aware so they don't go taking huge doses thinking they'll be the next Ronnie Coleman.

 

[Hans]

It's one of the most baffling things I've read in this forum. I've tried every combination of supplements to try to get even 15mg of prog to work, orally or topically. It always starts off great but then my endogenous steroid production pretty much halts and I'm left feeling absolutely hopeless and terrible. Maybe these positive reports are people who haven't used it for more than a month. My best runs usually lasted a month before disaster struck. Anyway, I just wanted people to be aware so they don't go taking huge doses thinking they'll be the next Ronnie Coleman.

Thanks for that. We need more feedback like this.

 

[Hans]

Can you share a good routine to start with?

Sure, with diet, training or supplements?

 

[Hans]

I will try this dosage... is it best to test serum testosterone a few hours after application?

Yes, it depends in what your dissolving the test, because the slower it absorbs the longer you'll benefit from it. Test usually peaks about 2-4 hours after application with a gel, but can be faster in ethanol or DMSO.

 

[ebs]

The half-life of T without an ester is pretty short so you might have to apply it twice a day to maintain levels, but I think Peat applied his once a day. When T is made it is exported from the testes so I don't think it's necessary to apply it to the scrotum. Peat applied his on his lips.

What T supplement/cream are you referring to? How and where to buy it?

 

[Hans]

What T supplement/cream are you referring to? How and where to buy it?

Androgel or the other gels there are, but a few guys here make their own concoction.
I have no idea where to get it.

 

[boxers]

Yes, it depends in what your dissolving the test, because the slower it absorbs the longer you'll benefit from it. Test usually peaks about 2-4 hours after application with a gel, but can be faster in ethanol or DMSO.

I get it from the compounding pharmacy. id have to ask what they use as a base.

 

[ExCarniv]

Sure, with diet, training or supplements?

Training

 

[Hans]

Training

Well, it depends on your goals, what you enjoy to do and your training experience. I like to combine powerlifting, bodybuilding and calisthenics and get great results as a result.
If your goal is just to build muscle and strength, I'd do either an AB style workout and train three times a week or train each muscle group twice a week and then train 4 times a week.
I like to do:
A: Chest, shoulders and triceps
B: Legs, back and biceps

Then I can do A on Monday, B on Wednesday, A on Friday and so on, or A on Monday, B on Tuesday, A on Thursday and B on Friday.

A simple workout would be:
A: Incline DB/BB 3-6x3-6, Arnold press 3-6x6-8 and dips 3-6x6-8
B: Squats 3-6x3-6, deadlifts 3x2-5, chins 3-6x6-8, BB curls 3-6x6-8

If I'd do 6 sets or more per muscle group per workout, I'd do two exercises instead of 1 and if I do two A and B workouts per week, I'd do different exercises for a specific muscle group in each workout and vary the reps ranges.

 

[ExCarniv]

Well, it depends on your goals, what you enjoy to do and your training experience. I like to combine powerlifting, bodybuilding and calisthenics and get great results as a result.
If your goal is just to build muscle and strength, I'd do either an AB style workout and train three times a week or train each muscle group twice a week and then train 4 times a week.
I like to do:
A: Chest, shoulders and triceps
B: Legs, back and biceps

Then I can do A on Monday, B on Wednesday, A on Friday and so on, or A on Monday, B on Tuesday, A on Thursday and B on Friday.

A simple workout would be:
A: Incline DB/BB 3-6x3-6, Arnold press 3-6x6-8 and dips 3-6x6-8
B: Squats 3-6x3-6, deadlifts 3x2-5, chins 3-6x6-8, BB curls 3-6x6-8

If I'd do 6 sets or more per muscle group per workout, I'd do two exercises instead of 1 and if I do two A and B workouts per week, I'd do different exercises for a specific muscle group in each workout and vary the reps ranges.

Thanks, appreciate it.

 

[Pufa]

Cialis, salbutamol and mirtazapine seem safe enough. Insulin glargine is dangerous, you should have a blood glucose meter and carbs with you at all times.

What about hcg is that safe?
Why do you say don't bother with dhea?

 

[Pufa]

There is a bunch of different supplements for stress but they don't always work the same for everyone so I can't just point out "the best" one of you know what I mean.
But in general, Rhodiola Rosea, pregnenolone, CortiNon maybe, adamantane (Diamant), cypro, Gonadin, valerian root, magnesium, glycine, carbs and saturated fat, B-vitamins especially B1 (increased CO2 and ATP production can help cope with stress), tribulus terrestris, etc, can be pretty helpful.
I currently use methylene blue, B1, tribulus, stearic acid, aspirin, niacinamide, GABA (for sleep) and a little DHEA and I feel super good, probably the best I've ever felt.

Forgot to ask.. is supplementing b vitamins cool or it has to be from food?