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[FocusedOnHealth]

We need a make-up thread, this has been fun!

You know it will get hammered, some guy with hangups will post a comment calling any woman who uses makeup as “frauds” or whatever. It should be an only woman thread for that reason lol.

 

[FocusedOnHealth]

I obviously can’t speak for all women so I hope you’ll grant me some leniency with my use of “us” and “we” and other generalities in my comment.

Women are bombarded with messages of what is attractive to men, and even Playboy and other porn material where the women are clearly dolled up, even if they appear “natural,” can send a message of what men find attractive, and when also told that men like variety, I can understand women’s use of artificial tools because at the end of the day, attracting a partner isn’t just about fulfilling sexual needs or a feeling of security, for some or maybe even many, it means feeling a sense of worthiness and I would argue, at its core, feeling loved. Are these women getting Botox injections and wearing heavy makeup taking it too far? It’s not something I personally would do, but I can understand the potential reasons behind it.

Not all women are endowed with plump lips, ample breasts and behinds, legs for days etc. and when given the message that’s what men desire, that if the opportunity was presented to them they would cheat on us or leave us for flawless models, and that we lose value as we age, aging being something no one has yet discovered the antidote to, and worse, get shamed by fellow women who know what it’s like to have insecurities, and then get praised like we discovered the cure to cancer when we’ve dropped a few pounds, the messages get reinforced and I can sympathize with those (including men) who have gone to extremes in the pursuit of attractiveness. I’d rather be alone than be someone I’m not, but I can still sympathize with them.

Anyway, I really appreciate men like you, Luke and unsubscribed, sharing your opinion on the topic. Sadly, for myself and the women in my life, we’ve often heard men say how they want a natural woman but then we see the average women they fantasize about/desire are women with artificial enhancing who often don’t look like they’ve been artificially enhanced, however, I suppose what constitutes natural depends on who we ask. Regardless, I like to believe that our person will think us the bee’s knees without all the smoke and mirrors. On a lighter note—is there something remarkable about a bee’s knees?

I equate using makeup in moderation as grooming. Anyone who cares about their appearance (guys included) ie. lifting weights, combing their hair, brushing their teeth, showering, taking care of their acne etc. that comes under grooming one’s self.

There is a big difference when someone plasters on makeup that completely changes their appearance to where someone just uses subtle touches, like a little blush, a little lip color, that sort of thing.
Someone who gobs on makeup, draws on sharpie eyebrows, uses fake lashes, clown lips etc. is trying to hide behind a mask.

A little bit enhances. A mask is a different story.

 

[Rinse & rePeat]

You know it will get hammered, some guy with hangups will post a comment calling any woman who uses makeup as “frauds” or whatever. It should be an only woman thread for that reason lol.

Good point! We will just hide out in here

 

[Jennifer]

I equate using makeup in moderation as grooming. Anyone who cares about their appearance (guys included) ie. lifting weights, combing their hair, brushing their teeth, showering, taking care of their acne etc. that comes under grooming one’s self.

There is a big difference when someone plasters on makeup that completely changes their appearance to where someone just uses subtle touches, like a little blush, a little lip color, that sort of thing.
Someone who gobs on makeup, draws on sharpie eyebrows, uses fake lashes, clown lips etc. is trying to hide behind a mask.

A little bit enhances. A mask is a different story.

But maybe all you need to feel good about yourself and confident in your skin are subtle touches? I don't like plastering on makeup, myself, however, I've never had skin imperfections (like severe acne or vitiligo) that required heavy makeup to camouflage them so that I feel comfortable in my skin, and I’ve never suffered from alopecia, cancer and other illnesses that left me bald, which required drawing in eyebrows and wearing false eyelashes to, again, feel comfortable in my skin. I worked with a woman who had an illness that left her completely bald and she felt embarrassed so she drew in eyebrows, and it was obvious that they were drawn in or “sharpied,” but they made her feel less self-conscious and more human. Then there’s the case of Geralyn Lucas, whose story of breast cancer was made into a Lifetime movie. Here are some things she had to say:

“I lost my hair and I looked green,” says Lucas. “People don’t understand how hard it is to go through the external changes. People say it sounds shallow. You’re not shallow! It’s terrible to lose your hair—it feels so visible. Everyone can see it happening.”

“I’d never worn red lipstick before, so to me that was a metaphor for living boldly,” says Lucas. “I was the gloss girl, but in the O.R. I decided I wanted to become the women I never thought I could be.”

“It (dressing up for chemo) was transformative to be able to feel so present and look OK. So much was taken away from me that I needed to grab it back and reinvent myself.”

“Living with risk made me risqué! My skirts were shorter, my heels were higher, and my lips were redder. I wasn’t aware of the organization at the time, but now I’m a huge supporter of Look Good Feel Better, which was founded on the lipstick theory—that when a patient starts putting on her lipstick she’s ready to go home. My oncologist thinks lipstick is the 5th vital sign. Now, for me, every day is a bright red lipstick day.”

Why I Wore Lipstick to My Mastectomy

“My doctor husband and I were just dating at the time, and he told me about a mastectomy he did on a 28-year-old woman,” says Lucas. “I was only 27 and I had no known history of breast cancer in my family. Then my gynecologist did a clinical breast exam and said, ‘I never play games with lumps—I...

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I don’t know every woman’s reason for wearing her makeup the way she does but even if I did, and it was in order to hide behind a mask of insecurity, I empathize with her and don’t feel right shaming her for it. I’ve gotten so much body shaming from people over the years—told I’m ugly, hideous, fat, a skinny b*tch, anorexic, that no guy would ever choose me over a Cindy Crawford because I’m too short, my boobs too small, my face too childlike, I don’t dress provocatively or wear my hair sexy enough and the list goes on and on and so if someone feels even a smidgen less insecure wearing makeup so thick it’s like roll fondant on a cake or getting so swole their shirts hide in fear, I say more power to them. I understand you and others may not see it that way, but I just think it would be even more insecure of a person to mold themselves based on other people’s opinion of them.

Anyway, I’ve clearly gone way off topic so my apologies. I’ll stop now.

 

[Rinse & rePeat]

But maybe all you need to feel good about yourself and confident in your skin is subtle touches? I don't like plastering on makeup, myself, however, I've never had skin imperfections (like severe acne or vitiligo) that required heavy makeup to camouflage them so that I feel comfortable in my skin, and I’ve never suffered from alopecia, cancer and other illnesses that left me bald, which required drawing in eyebrows and wearing false eyelashes to, again, feel comfortable in my skin. I worked with a woman who had an illness that left her completely bald and she felt embarrassed so she drew in eyebrows, and it was obvious that they were drawn in or “sharpied,” but they made her feel less self-conscious and more human. Then there’s the case of Geralyn Lucas, whose story of breast cancer was made into a Lifetime movie. Here are some things she had to say:

“I lost my hair and I looked green,” says Lucas. “People don’t understand how hard it is to go through the external changes. People say it sounds shallow. You’re not shallow! It’s terrible to lose your hair—it feels so visible. Everyone can see it happening.”

“I’d never worn red lipstick before, so to me that was a metaphor for living boldly,” says Lucas. “I was the gloss girl, but in the O.R. I decided I wanted to become the women I never thought I could be.”

“It (dressing up for chemo) was transformative to be able to feel so present and look OK. So much was taken away from me that I needed to grab it back and reinvent myself.”

“Living with risk made me risqué! My skirts were shorter, my heels were higher, and my lips were redder. I wasn’t aware of the organization at the time, but now I’m a huge supporter of Look Good Feel Better, which was founded on the lipstick theory—that when a patient starts putting on her lipstick she’s ready to go home. My oncologist thinks lipstick is the 5th vital sign. Now, for me, every day is a bright red lipstick day.”

Why I Wore Lipstick to My Mastectomy

“My doctor husband and I were just dating at the time, and he told me about a mastectomy he did on a 28-year-old woman,” says Lucas. “I was only 27 and I had no known history of breast cancer in my family. Then my gynecologist did a clinical breast exam and said, ‘I never play games with lumps—I...

www.yahoo.com

I don’t know every woman’s reason for wearing her makeup the way she does but even if I did, and it was in order to hide behind a mask of insecurity, I empathize with her and don’t feel right shaming her for it. I’ve gotten so much body shaming from people over the years—told I’m ugly, hideous, fat, a skinny b*tch, anorexic, that no guy would ever choose me over a Cindy Crawford because I’m too short, my boobs too small, my face too childlike, I don’t dress proactively or wear my hair sexy enough and the list goes on and on and so if someone feels even a smidgen less insecure wearing makeup so thick it’s like roll fondant on a cake or getting so swole their shirts hide in fear, I say more power to them. I understand you and others may not see it that way, but I just think it would be even more insecure of a person to mold themselves based on other people’s opinion of them.

Anyway, I’ve clearly gone way off topic so my apologies. I’ll stop now.

I hear you Jennifer. I felt inferior too, in my youth, next to many women with their perfect hair with ever changing colors, make-up and nails and such. Like I said in the beginning of this post I do think some women look better in it, covering up a bunch of insecurities. And for those women who life has taken a toll thank goodness for make-up. I like to see an older fancy women going that extra mile to look good. I don’t think the older men who want to kiss them mind messing up their lipstick either. Maybe men that don’t like all that make-up just don’t like surprises, getting with a pretty girl and finding out it was all just a bunching make-up and hair extensions. I heard of a court case several years ago where a man was suing his wife for false representation, because their kids came out ugly. She to failed to disclose to him that she previosly had a large nose and lots of other plastic surgery done for other imperfections. He picked her thinking she would produce beautiful children and that was not the case.

 

[Jennifer]

I hear you Jennifer. I felt inferior too, in my youth, next to many women with their perfect hair with ever changing colors, make-up and nails and such. Like I said in the beginning of this post I do think some women look better in it, covering up a bunch of insecurities. And for those women who life has taken a toll thank goodness for make-up. I like to see an older fancy women going that extra mile to look good. I don’t think the older men who want to kiss them mind messing up their lipstick either. Maybe men that don’t like all that make-up just don’t like surprises, getting with a pretty girl and finding out it was all just a bunching make-up and hair extensions. I heard of a court case several years ago where a man was suing his wife for false representation, because their kids came out ugly. She to failed to disclose to him that she previosly had a large nose and lots of other plastic surgery done for other imperfections. He picked her thinking she would produce beautiful children and that was not the case.

I’m sorry you felt inferior to other women. I didn’t feel inferior to other women, I just felt shamed about things that were not of my creation and wished that those who had an issue with my body had taken it up with my maker instead. It took years to realize that it was people, mainly guys, projecting their insecurities on to me.

Did she countersue for false representation, too?

 

[Rinse & rePeat]

I’m sorry you felt inferior to other women. I didn’t feel inferior to other women, I just felt shamed about things that were not of my creation and wished that those who had an issue with my body had taken it up with my maker instead. It took years to realize that it was people, mainly guys, projecting their insecurities on to me.

Did she countersue for false representation, too?

I didn’t follow up with the headlines of that case, but those poor kids with a dad like that.

 

[Jennifer]

I didn’t follow up with the headlines of that case, but those poor kids with a dad like that.

That’s okay, Rinse. It wasn’t meant as a serious question. I was just making a point. There’s no need for her to countersue. Now she’s free to connect with the one who will love the real her. I hope in time the ex-husband comes to see his children as the beautiful people they are and in the meantime, I hope their mom got them a dog—a little white one.

 

[-Luke-]

I obviously can’t speak for all women so I hope you’ll grant me some leniency with my use of “us” and “we” and other generalities in my comment.

Women are bombarded with messages of what is attractive to men, and even Playboy and other porn material where the women are clearly dolled up, even if they appear “natural,” can send a message of what men find attractive, and when also told that men like variety, I can understand women’s use of artificial tools because at the end of the day, attracting a partner isn’t just about fulfilling sexual needs or a feeling of security, for some or maybe even many, it means feeling a sense of worthiness and I would argue, at its core, feeling loved. Are these women getting Botox injections and wearing heavy makeup taking it too far? It’s not something I personally would do, but I can understand the potential reasons behind it.

Not all women are endowed with plump lips, ample breasts and behinds, legs for days etc. and when given the message that’s what men desire, that if the opportunity was presented to them they would cheat on us or leave us for flawless models, and that we lose value as we age, aging being something no one has yet discovered the antidote to, and worse, get shamed by fellow women who know what it’s like to have insecurities, and then get praised like we discovered the cure to cancer when we’ve dropped a few pounds, the messages get reinforced and I can sympathize with those (including men) who have gone to extremes in the pursuit of attractiveness. I’d rather be alone than be someone I’m not, but I can still sympathize with them.

Anyway, I really appreciate men like you, Luke and unsubscribed, sharing your opinion on the topic. Sadly, for myself and the women in my life, we’ve often heard men say how they want a natural woman but then we see the average women they fantasize about/desire are women with artificial enhancing who often don’t look like they’ve been artificially enhanced, however, I suppose what constitutes natural depends on who we ask. Regardless, I like to believe that our person will think us the bee’s knees without all the smoke and mirrors. On a lighter note—is there something remarkable about a bee’s knees?

I have unfortunately come into contact with internet porn at a young age and experienced the sometimes extreme influence it can have on you. I was also a member of a recovery forum for years and read stories of other guys (mostly guys, but also some women). From my experience, there is a big difference between natural desire and artificial porn desire. A lot of guys watch material they were originally disgusted by, but developed a tolerance or desensitization to more "normal" material. I don't know whether I should laugh or puke (I lean towards the latter if I think about six-year olds walking around with smartphones and 24/7 internet access nowadays) if defenders of the porn industry say things like "What you watch shows your pure desire". It's an insatiable hunger for novelty, not natural desire. It's sad that women feel pressured to compete with an artificial world. It's a fight you cannot win, it's just a fake universe.

I don't think most men are naturally attracted to fake lips, fake breasts, fake butt cheeks (apparently that's a thing now) and other fake body parts. We got along fine for centuries without it. Juliet didn't need botox for Romeo to fall in love with her. Like you, I can't speak for for all of my male peers. But I think that if the internet would just break down for several months, people would realize that reality (and both women and men in this reality) is way more satisfying than pixels on a screen. (On another note: people can argue about certain fake body parts, but I have never talked to another man who found fake lips attractive)

One thing I want to clarify is that I do not think at all that using makeup or lipstick (even a lot of it) is bad or shows bad character. It's just my personal preference that less is more. Other guys have different preferences. When I've talked to other men in the past, it was clear to me that there are way more women I find attractive than other guys. So I'm not exemplary.

I have no idea what bee’s knees are. But bees are pretty intelligent, so their knees are probably fine as well.

 

[FocusedOnHealth]

I have unfortunately come into contact with internet porn at a young age and experienced the sometimes extreme influence it can have on you. I was also a member of a recovery forum for years and read stories of other guys (mostly guys, but also some women). From my experience, there is a big difference between natural desire and artificial porn desire. A lot of guys watch material they were originally disgusted by, but developed a tolerance or desensitization to more "normal" material. I don't know whether I should laugh or puke (I lean towards the latter if I think about six-year olds walking around with smartphones and 24/7 internet access nowadays) if defenders of the porn industry say things like "What you watch shows your pure desire". It's an insatiable hunger for novelty, not natural desire. It's sad that women feel pressured to compete with an artificial world. It's a fight you cannot win, it's just a fake universe.

I don't think most men are naturally attracted to fake lips, fake breasts, fake butt cheeks (apparently that's a thing now) and other fake body parts. We got along fine for centuries without it. Juliet didn't need botox for Romeo to fall in love with her. Like you, I can't speak for for all of my male peers. But I think that if the internet would just break down for several months, people would realize that reality (and both women and men in this reality) is way more satisfying than pixels on a screen. (On another note: people can argue about certain fake body parts, but I have never talked to another man who found fake lips attractive)

One thing I want to clarify is that I do not think at all that using makeup or lipstick (even a lot of it) is bad or shows bad character. It's just my personal preference that less is more. Other guys have different preferences. When I've talked to other men in the past, it was clear to me that there are way more women I find attractive than other guys. So I'm not exemplary.

I have no idea what bee’s knees are. But bees are pretty intelligent, so their knees are probably fine as well.

There’s a reason why a lot of women want fake lips, fake breasts, fake butt cheeks…and fake eyebrows. They are told they are not good enough if they don’t go the fake route.

Because some “influencer” witch like Kim Kartrashian ( pun intended) told them that was what you should be like. The faker, the more enhanced, the better. But it’s not normal. It’s psychologically sick actually.

I marvel at the fact that so many women hang on the Kartrashians every move. But that family is making millions with their influence because so many women buy into it. Blows my mind!

And of course you have the money motivated medical industry pushing all kinds of procedures telling women they “need” it in order to be acceptable. So you have a bunch of artificial looking women who look like blowup dolls and not like real women.

And you have the influence of the porn industry. All these influences are contributing to the demise of our society.

Plus now we have real sex dolls that men can buy to satisfy their needs. Who needs a companion? Who needs a human living breathing woman? It’s a crazy world we live in right now.

That’s part of the plan though. If we’d just get our heads out of our smartphones for a moment, open our eyes and see where this is heading, we *might get a reality check. I said “might”.

Seems most people don’t want a reality check, or to wake up.

But the truth is, the powers that are temporarily in charge, really do want to remove us from our humaness. Humans 2.0. It’s all about being not human anymore. They really do want a post nonhuman world to populate the planet. A bunch of borgs running around. The ones that aren’t killed by the gene editing therapy they say is good for all of us.

Hello, anyone heard of Yuval Noah Harari?

That little reprobate disciple of Klaus Schwab wants humanity to embrace borgism. That’s not a joke. Question is, he promotes it, but will he take his slimy little self, and embrace becoming the super borg? I think not. That’s for the useless eaters. Rules for thee but not for me.

The enlightened ones on the forum can see where this is heading.

 

[Jennifer]

I have unfortunately come into contact with internet porn at a young age and experienced the sometimes extreme influence it can have on you. I was also a member of a recovery forum for years and read stories of other guys (mostly guys, but also some women). From my experience, there is a big difference between natural desire and artificial porn desire. A lot of guys watch material they were originally disgusted by, but developed a tolerance or desensitization to more "normal" material. I don't know whether I should laugh or puke (I lean towards the latter if I think about six-year olds walking around with smartphones and 24/7 internet access nowadays) if defenders of the porn industry say things like "What you watch shows your pure desire". It's an insatiable hunger for novelty, not natural desire. It's sad that women feel pressured to compete with an artificial world. It's a fight you cannot win, it's just a fake universe.

I don't think most men are naturally attracted to fake lips, fake breasts, fake butt cheeks (apparently that's a thing now) and other fake body parts. We got along fine for centuries without it. Juliet didn't need botox for Romeo to fall in love with her. Like you, I can't speak for for all of my male peers. But I think that if the internet would just break down for several months, people would realize that reality (and both women and men in this reality) is way more satisfying than pixels on a screen. (On another note: people can argue about certain fake body parts, but I have never talked to another man who found fake lips attractive)

One thing I want to clarify is that I do not think at all that using makeup or lipstick (even a lot of it) is bad or shows bad character. It's just my personal preference that less is more. Other guys have different preferences. When I've talked to other men in the past, it was clear to me that there are way more women I find attractive than other guys. So I'm not exemplary.

I have no idea what bee’s knees are. But bees are pretty intelligent, so their knees are probably fine as well.

Thank you for sharing all of that, Luke. It’s interesting what you said about the difference between natural desire and artificial porn and the desensitization to more normal material. It’s actually the more normal material like Playboy and Victoria Secret catalogs that I’ve heard women most often reference when talking about their insecurities. I’ve tried pointing out to them that even those aren’t a true reflection of what they naturally look like. There’s cosmetic surgeries, a team of makeup artists, hair and clothing stylists, professional photographers, perfect lighting etc. and I’ve seen what some of the Playmates and VS models look like without all the special effects and they’re almost unrecognizable. They’re still beautiful but so is the average “girl next door.” Underneath it all, the Mary Ann’s of the world are just as beautiful as the Gingers.

I probably shouldn’t have commented on the insecurities women feel due to porn because I’m only able to go by what other women have said and though I can sympathize, I can’t really speak for them because I wasn’t like the average female wanting to attract men. For me, it was the opposite. I was incredibly timid and relentlessly teased by my male peers from the time I started kindergarten until well into adulthood so I associated attention from guys as negative and tried going unnoticed. That’s the main reason why I don’t wear makeup, except for the rare occasion where there will be the obligatory photos taken and even then, it’s just some neutral lipstick like in my profile pic so that I show up on film, since even ghosts are taken aback by my level of paleness. lol When I wear makeup I feel vulnerable, not confident like other women.

I don’t know about other women, but I find the opposite sex attractive in general so I can relate to you. The only thing is I can find a man attractive, but not be attracted to him if the chemistry and other factors aren’t there. And no worries! I understood it was just your preference. I wasn’t offended or anything so I apologize if my comment came off that way.

I looked up where the phrase Bee’s Knees comes from and it’s apparently a nonsense catchphrase from 1920s America. I was hoping for something more interesting than that, but oh well.

 

[Jennifer]

Because some “influencer” witch like Kim Kartrashian ( pun intended) told them that was what you should be like. The faker, the more enhanced, the better. But it’s not normal. It’s psychologically sick actually.

Just to add to your comment—women are also influenced by what they see men going for. I know women who said they felt really insecure that their partners were pleasuring themselves to women in magazines and they felt like they needed to live up to that unrealistic, photoshopped standard because despite being told by their partners that they were loved, they thought those were the kind of women that their partners actually desired. You know, their partners actions speaking louder than their words. Funny enough, their partners weren’t okay with them pleasuring themselves to pictures of “hot” men so it seems the insecurities went both ways.

I think Luke is right about the positive effect of the internet breaking down for several months, but the negative messages were being implanted long before the internet, it’s just technology has become more advanced and the results more extreme. I mean, Marilyn Monroe to this day is idolized as a sex symbol and even she wasn’t au natural. It’s interesting, and sad, to see the archaic ways that beauty was achieved even way back in history. I’m not sure how one would go about changing things on a global scale but what I do know is if I had children, I would remind them every day how beautiful and worthy they are not just by my words and actions towards them, but by my words and actions towards myself. Our babies are observant and they sense even the unspoken.

 

[-Luke-]

And no worries! I understood it was just your preference. I wasn’t offended or anything so I apologize if my comment came off that way.

No need to apologize, I got what you were saying. Just wanted to clarify it in general. I didn't even know that people still... um ... "read" Playboy nowadays. Good for Playboy, I guess.

I'm sorry to hear the boys/guys gave you such a hard time when you were young. Guys from a state that never produced an NBA player are probably just insecure and project that onto others. :) Just kidding. But you seem to be confident in your skin today despite the bad experiences.

I first thought bee's knees was a medical condition named after an animal, like "spider veins" (something like extremely thin legs). Could have just looked it up in a dictionary. In fact, my dictionary even has that phrase: the bee's knees (informal) - an outstandingly good person or thing.

 

[Peatness]

Iranian man who didn't wash for half a century dies at 94

Amou Haji avoided soap for fear of getting ill and lived part of his life in a hole in the ground.

www.bbc.co.uk

A hermit dubbed by media as "the world's dirtiest man" has died at the age of 94, just months after having his first wash in decades.
Amou Haji had refused to use soap and water for more than half a century, fearing it would make him sick. The Iranian, who lived in the southern province of Fars, had avoided previous attempts by villagers to get him clean. But, local media say, Amou Haji finally succumbed to pressure and washed a few months ago.
According to Iran's IRNA news agency, he became ill shortly afterwards and died on Sunday.

 

[Jennifer]

Hehe. The articles must be riveting. In all seriousness, the opinions span many generations. I mentioned Playboy because it was one of the few magazines they talked about that I had actually heard of.

LOL Thank you. :) It’s all good. It eventually was confirmed to me why they treated me that way and it didn’t help that I ignored them. I guess I’m good at faking confidence. In reality, it’s more like defiance. lol

Haha! I can see why you thought that. My first thought was just plain embarrassing. I thought “Do bees even have knees?”and I was even picturing their segmented legs in my mind while questing it. Oy.

 

[FocusedOnHealth]

Iranian man who didn't wash for half a century dies at 94

Amou Haji avoided soap for fear of getting ill and lived part of his life in a hole in the ground.

www.bbc.co.uk

A hermit dubbed by media as "the world's dirtiest man" has died at the age of 94, just months after having his first wash in decades.
Amou Haji had refused to use soap and water for more than half a century, fearing it would make him sick. The Iranian, who lived in the southern province of Fars, had avoided previous attempts by villagers to get him clean. But, local media say, Amou Haji finally succumbed to pressure and washed a few months ago.
According to Iran's IRNA news agency, he became ill shortly afterwards and died on Sunday.

Ya know, just because he lived to 94 doesn’t mean he had a high quality of life

 

[Peatness]

Ya know, just because he lived to 94 doesn’t mean he had a high quality of life

I don’t think the article was suggesting this is the key to longevity. Nor is it suggesting that his life was without struggles. The key point for me is that he died shortly after bathing. It is astonishing that he lived to 94 in such a poor condition.

 

[Rinse & rePeat]

Ya know, just because he lived to 94 doesn’t mean he had a high quality of life

Yeah I think he was pretty much a loner in that state. I am definitely not impressed. I think my father would even have something critical to say!

 

[FocusedOnHealth]

I don’t think the article was suggesting this is the key to longevity. Nor is it suggesting that his life was without struggles. The key point for me is that he died shortly after bathing. It is astonishing that he lived to 94 in such a poor condition.

I agree. I was just adding a snarky comment as the article struck me as so ironic.

Personally I think he had fear issues to make him go to this extreme.

 

[Rinse & rePeat]

“Serotonin activates the glucocorticoid system, which can produce brain atrophy. Antiserotonin agents protect against brain atrophy and many other effects of stress. The brain-protecting neurosteroids, including pregnenolone and progesterone, which are increased by some kinds of stimulation, are decreased by isolation stress, and in their absence, serotonin and the glucocorticoids are relatively unopposed.“ -Ray Peat