Vitamin K2-MK4 Users: Does 1 Mg Lower Edema?

[dookie]

For those who are using or have used vitamin K2-MK4, do you think a low dose of about 1 mg would lower edema (water-retention) noticeably?

 

[TreasureVibe]

Bump!

 

[LucH]

k2 and E will help but it will not solve the main problem: Excess Hydrogen.
Hydrogen ion and metabolic acidosis
Extract:
How I overcame pain and inflammation through eating. Dr. Jacqueline LAGACÉ

To protect against an excess of acidity (excess of H + ions) our body has a buffer system that maintains the normal blood pH (between 7.32 and 7.42). This buffer system recirculates alkaline minerals, including calcium, magnesium, potassium, etc., which are found mainly in the bones and secondarily in other tissues such as cartilage, teeth and muscle.
The concentration of hydrogen ions is critical because it affects the structure and function of proteins, the permeability of cell membranes, the distribution of electrolytes and the structure of connective tissues. * 1
In young adults, the kidneys respond effectively to metabolic acidosis by increasing the excretion of H + ions, thereby minimizing blood pH disturbances. However, with age, even with the majority of healthy individuals, the ability of the kidneys to excrete ions + decreases, and this decrease becomes significant from the age of fifty. * 2 This means that as you age, the body tends to become acidic, and it becomes increasingly necessary to increase the daily consumption of fruits and vegetables. Fruits and vegetables have alkalizing properties because they are metabolized in the form of bicarbonate (HCO2, molecule having a buffer role), which not only compensates for the decrease in renal function, but also to protect these same functions. * 3
Sources:
*1 Dietary, metabolic, physiologic, and disease-related aspects of acid-base balance: foreword to the contributions of the second International Acid-Base Symposium.
Vormann J, Remer T. J Nutr. 2008
http://jn.nutrition.org/content/138/2/413S.full

*2 Renal net acid excretion capacity is comparable in prepubescence, adolescence, and young adulthood but falls with aging.
Berkemeyer S, Vormann J, Günther AL, Rylander R, Frassetto LA, Remer T.
J Am Geriatr Soc. 2008
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18808599

*3 Adverse effects of sodium chloride on bone in the aging human population resulting from habitual consumption of typical American diets.
Frassetto LA, Morris RC Jr, Sellmeyer DE, Sebastian A.
J Nutr. 2008
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18203914

 

[TreasureVibe]

k2 and E will help but it will not solve the main problem: Excess Hydrogen.
Hydrogen ion and metabolic acidosis
Extract:
How I overcame pain and inflammation through eating. Dr. Jacqueline LAGACÉ

To protect against an excess of acidity (excess of H + ions) our body has a buffer system that maintains the normal blood pH (between 7.32 and 7.42). This buffer system recirculates alkaline minerals, including calcium, magnesium, potassium, etc., which are found mainly in the bones and secondarily in other tissues such as cartilage, teeth and muscle.
The concentration of hydrogen ions is critical because it affects the structure and function of proteins, the permeability of cell membranes, the distribution of electrolytes and the structure of connective tissues. * 1
In young adults, the kidneys respond effectively to metabolic acidosis by increasing the excretion of H + ions, thereby minimizing blood pH disturbances. However, with age, even with the majority of healthy individuals, the ability of the kidneys to excrete ions + decreases, and this decrease becomes significant from the age of fifty. * 2 This means that as you age, the body tends to become acidic, and it becomes increasingly necessary to increase the daily consumption of fruits and vegetables. Fruits and vegetables have alkalizing properties because they are metabolized in the form of bicarbonate (HCO2, molecule having a buffer role), which not only compensates for the decrease in renal function, but also to protect these same functions. * 3
Sources:
*1 Dietary, metabolic, physiologic, and disease-related aspects of acid-base balance: foreword to the contributions of the second International Acid-Base Symposium.
Vormann J, Remer T. J Nutr. 2008
http://jn.nutrition.org/content/138/2/413S.full

*2 Renal net acid excretion capacity is comparable in prepubescence, adolescence, and young adulthood but falls with aging.
Berkemeyer S, Vormann J, Günther AL, Rylander R, Frassetto LA, Remer T.
J Am Geriatr Soc. 2008
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18808599

*3 Adverse effects of sodium chloride on bone in the aging human population resulting from habitual consumption of typical American diets.
Frassetto LA, Morris RC Jr, Sellmeyer DE, Sebastian A.
J Nutr. 2008
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18203914

So in other words would consuming bicarbonate orally help against edema? Or transermally with baths and foot baths?

 

[LucH]

So in other words would consuming bicarbonate orally help against edema?

yes and no. Rather no.
Yes, short term (if enough potassium); no, at long term. Bicarbonate is is a salt. NaHCO3.
No problem for 2 gr Na (5 gr salt). Mind K if more salt ...
We must find a balance between Na / K, and Ca / Mg.
Na 2000 mg, K 4000 mg
Ca 800 mg, Mg 300 mg.
See cron-o-meter.com if you manage with difficulty.
NB: My level Ca is often 550 mg. But I eat home-made, with a lot of fruits and vegetables.

 

[LucH]

Relationship with potassium and Sodium
Explanation : why H + ion is a problem
Potassium is the key nutrient to regulate cell respiration, membrane fluidity (edema and heavy legs) and maintenance of muscle integrity (tonicity and engorgement of the place by lactic acid), as well as good conductivity. It's not just chemistry!
Demonstration: Potassium should be used for prevention, magnesium in case of crisis (to reduce spasm / cramp). And if you stress, there is no need to anticipate, with a magnesium supplement, if you're not already in deficit. Do it at posteriori: take Mg after the crisis. Ca chases Mg off, in case of stress, among others.
The ideal ratio inside the cell is 38/1 for K + / Na +. Most of the potassium is inside the cell. Sodium is rather outside the cell.
But every time you go ingesting excess salt, by withdrawing from your potassium reserves, you will disrupt this relationship. For 2 molecules getting sodium into the cell, 3 molecules of potassium will come out. The metabolism will then rectify the potential differential (electrical charge) with an H + ion. And it is thus that the buffer system intervenes: a K + ion is driven by an H + ion, in case of potassium deficiency combined with excess sodium.