Vitamin K And Insomnia

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  1. ddjd

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    Take some aspirin to counteract. I personally find it amazing for sleep quality. Funny how we're all so different
     
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    Same.
     
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    Yeah I like Aspirin, I've only ever done 325 mg day, 3-4 x a week. I like my Vitamin E as well. I try not to take them on the same day, but now that I'm using the K and D, I can't take them all daily. I eat low fat, so whenever my biggest meal is, I'll take a fat soluable. Can I take Aspirin and E at the same meal ? Or is that risking bleeding? I would think they have synergies on Estrogen.
     
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    I responded very poorly to Thorne's MK-4. Over the course of several weeks it gave me very high blood pressure, made me intolerant to caffeine (which lasted years, only recently getting better), and ended with me having a severe adrenergic response (hypoglycemia, hypotension, etc.) where I broke out into a cold sweat and nearly passed out.

    Back when this was happening I found a document from a Phase 1 clinical trial of Vitamin K2, showing that about 1% of subjects had extremely adverse reactions to K2 - so it's not unheard of.
     
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    Probably due to vitamin K robbing the tissues of calcium. You really need high vitamin D levels to take vitamin K. Even if that is not the mechanism of action the other fat solubles and magnesium seem to be needed to respond well to K.
     
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    Damn, yeah I'm doing Calcium from Milk, yogurt, and Almond Milk, along with 1-2,000 IUs of D3, and my usual 400 mg of Magnesium Chloride. Seem to be okay now.
     
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    That doesn't seem to explain much. I started taking it in mid-summer, when I was spending ~4 hours outside every day and had a good tan going. No reason for magnesium levels to be low either. Was drinking plenty of milk and eating yogurt at the time too.
     
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    I believe the amount of Magnesium is yogurt beats that of milk, but it's still negligible. At best you may have gotten 50-100 mg from those.
     
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    My magnesium intake has always been above the RDA (use Cronometer fairly consistently), mostly due to coffee, greens, and supplemental mag.
     
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    What about your calcium, vitamin A, and E intake?
     
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    Drank lots of milk, calcium was over or around the RDA for sure. I've also been lucky enough to get a pQCT scan of my bone mineral density (this is different than the DEXA, more accurate, gives a cross-section of the bone) prior to experimenting with K2 while in a research position, and I can definitely say that I had above average mineralization/density as well. Vitamin A intake was adequate back then (regularly consumed liver/eggs), and Vit E intake has always been low because I don't respond well to supplemental Vitamin E.

    I dunno, maybe this is crazy, but maybe some people just don't respond that well to K2 due to factors that we don't understand yet?
     
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    Yeah the body is very complicated. Have you tried any other brand besides Thorne? I've known people that respond differently to different brands. Thorne has vitamin E in it which you are apparently not supposed to take with K.
     
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    Yeah, MK-7 variants of K2 were fine for me. I never noticed any effect from them one way or another.

    I've been turned off from ever trying K2 again though after my incident with Thorne's.
     
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    Ya I also get insomnia from topical Thorne and Kuinone k2.

    It feels to me like it lowers cortisol, and if you have poor glycogen stores, you end up waking frequently with hunger and adrenaline.
     
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    I think that initial crazy feeling I got from K had subsided. I take it with D3 5,000 IU, as my level was 23. I balance it with A occasionally, and get enough Magnesium from supplements. The magnesium Glycinate from Pure Encapsulations is pretty numbing and will quell any anxiety typically. Honestly don't know why the K effects people this way, Haidut mentioned altered Calcium metabolism.
     
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    How much Calcium should one be ingesting from food/supplements when using MK4/7 and D3 at 5,000 IU ?
     
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    I am having a bad experience with LE super k also. About 2mg of k that I’ve been taking every few days to counteract the 162mg aspirin I take daily. I get headaches and feel my tmj coming back.
     
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